Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[YoNoSe]

I just hope the state of debris gets back to the guy who made the throne. That’s a real feather in your cap as a craftsman.

 

[abake]

That was an excellent read! Thank you very much for the link, my friend.

I think it's fair to characterize the Jedi of the PT as having lost their way. That seems intentional to me on the part of George Lucas. As the article states, he even wanted to perhaps eventually touch on the grey-area ambiguities of good and evil. And I think TLJ did well in effectively delving into that (but I know, I know: folks like you disagree with me).

Here's where we all might be able to agree, as it pertains to the article: any Jedi Order in the future would be better off by learning from the failures that led to their demise. This is a basic concept that is true of all institutions that fail. Hopefully, JJ can end the saga with some hint that the message has been received, and that all of the toils and suffering from PT, to OT, to ST will lead to a better way forward (at least in-universe, that is).

Agreed 100% on the notion that Lucas was showing the Jedi as flawed, and actually, I have nothing against that part of what transpires in TLJ, I just never liked the execution.
And yes, here's hoping JJ pulls it off.

 

[abake]

Except there is.

See all those chunks?

I mean I GET the argument , that its stupid to have that section intact...

But its clearly shown there are large burning parts in that explosion.

So to argue that there is not way any pieces fell to Endor is disingenuous. It was clearly not vaporized, this picture clearly show large meteor like pieces. Our planet has meteors making it through the atmosphere daily, made of nothin more special than iron.

This nitpicking is just the same as the awful ?10 things wrong with X? videos on Youtube.

Hate the plot , hate the characters, hate the acting, directing and script all you want.

But these silly nitpicks are nothing more than a validation attempt of an opinion thats subjective.





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I stand corrected on the debris!
But none of that looks like half the superstructure of the Death Star...

 

[Darthrazz]

I don't recall them showing Death Star debris in any of the Caravan of Courage Ewok movies.

 

[darth dennis]

I just hope the state of debris gets back to the guy who made the throne. That’s a real feather in your cap as a craftsman.

I can see the Yelp feedback from Palps now...

 

[YoNoSe]

They didn’t even put up an umbrella at the Ewok bongo party.

 

[xipotec]

I stand corrected on the debris!
But none of that looks like half the superstructure of the Death Star...

Well yeah, but those pieces would have to be pretty huge to be seen at all.

I get your point.

At the sheer scale of the thing, even relatively small looking pieces would be huge.

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[SilverStar17]

I don't recall them showing Death Star debris in any of the Caravan of Courage Ewok movies.

Those took place between ESB and RotJ.

 

[Prime Clone]

Sorry for nerding out . . . but that's what I do. Hope it helped.

Thanks ajp4. I guess part of my confusion is why the FO didn't just do the same thing, i.e. use lightspeed to skip ahead and intercept the Resistance.

 

[Darthrazz]

Those took place between ESB and RotJ.

Oh, I thought they were stranded there after the ROTJ. I didn't recall.

 

[SilverStar17]

Oh, I thought they were stranded there after the ROTJ. I didn't recall.

Admittedly, I actually watched the second one a few times during my childhood and liked it. That’s the only reason I remember.

 

[YoNoSe]

If Teek is in TROS I will be glad I bought a ticket even if Rey defeats Palpatine at chess.

 

[Wick]

"That is why you fail"
We don't need a kick *** story!
We don't need redemption from TLJ!
We don't need to get back to what makes SW great!


WE NEED REPRESENTATION! Take me out of it some more JJ/Disney


https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/jj-abrams-teases-lgbtq-representation-star-wars-rise-skywalker/

https://ew.com/movies/2019/12/05/rise-of-skywalker-gay-lgbtq-character/

SW 1977-1983 RIP

 

[ajp4mgs]

Thanks ajp4. I guess part of my confusion is why the FO didn't just do the same thing, i.e. use lightspeed to skip ahead and intercept the Resistance.

Oh okay. I'll give that a shot too, then. When it comes to this "why didn't they just . . . " scenario, my contention has been (and to paraphrase Han Solo): that's not how hyperspace works.

But . . . even if we say that hyperspace is travelling "just" at the speed of light (which would be wrong; it'd have to be much "faster" than that), try to imagine how far ahead of the Raddus any FO star destroyer would be with even a lightspeed jump lasting no more than several seconds. The time it would take for the Raddus to reach that advancing star destroyer would likely be no less than it'd take doing what Hux did by just waiting for them to run out of fuel.

Not only that, but the Raddus can simply just turn in another direction. If the FO sent a ship ahead into a brief lightspeed jump, it would be assuming that the Raddus would continue following the same trajectory that it was last on. But what if it didn't? You'd have one less FO ship in your fleet for no reason at all.

There was nothing tactically absurd about waiting them out, and playing a chase game. Why risk losing TIE fighters to their canons? Why bother trying to jump ahead and guess their trajectory? If there's no danger of the Resistance outrunning you, why not wait them out? Just to save time? And for what? They're already stationed on their star destroyers and drifting through space anyway, so what's the urgency if you're convinced (as Hux was) that they can't evade your pursuit and will eventually be stranded. At that point, you could either take prisoners for interrogation, or just blow them away.

 

[Prime Clone]

But couldn't the FO send *part* of its fleet off on a tangent, continuing to track the Raddus, then give them the intercept co-ordinates to jump back into the Resistance's path?

 

[YoNoSe]

It all rides on the idea of the FO being overconfident (they just blew up planets, do they expect zero retaliation from neighboring ally systems...I sure did). Which is an ok-I-guess plot device if you aren’t swayed with the logic that every moment you don’t destroy the crippled leadership of your enemy is an opportunity for them. Especially considering they learned the same lesson, in the movie’s own words “Five bloody minutes ago” when they allowed a ship in attack mode to troll them into a huge setback.

But nevertheless I can understand the logic of them waiting it out but as an audience member my problem is “is it interesting?” If certainly wasn’t to me, as presented. Even on first viewing I spent all of those scenes scratching my head at all the questions it raised. Like did seriously The Rest of the universe just go “eh” when this **** happened?

 

[ajp4mgs]

But couldn't the FO send *part* of its fleet off on a tangent, continuing to track the Raddus, then give them the intercept co-ordinates to jump back into the Resistance's path?

Again, this is where my "that's not how hyperspace works" contention makes it dumb for me to have entertained the hypothetical that I laid out in my last post. The way I understand hyperspace in SW makes the scenario that you're describing far more unlikely as a viable tactic.

Plotting coordinates to make a lightspeed jump has been established as a somewhat involved process. It requires establishing a "jump" trajectory with a clear enough path to avoid disruption and catastrophe. And that path, as I understand it, is into a "hyperspace lane." Among other logic reasons, that's why I don't think hyperspace travel is merely "using lightspeed velocity" through any open area of space. I think it's more like entering a "lane" that works much the same as a wormhole; with defined entry and exit points. Even if these ships could exit that established lane/wormhole at any point, they'd still be limited to exiting *only along* whatever path that lane runs across.

I might be entirely wrong about how hyperspace works, but I could point to several in-canon examples of it to back up the idea that you're not free to just "jump" around to whatever point in space you feel like. Especially not with the type of precision that your scenario would require.

But, I'm not Pablo Hidalgo, so I can't pretend to be an authority on hyperspace and its limits. The restrictions that I'm describing are what I truly believe to be the case with how this stuff works in SW. However, if you believe otherwise, I can totally understand your objection.

 

[YoNoSe]

I would have been more satisfied if they presented ajp’s info in the movie. The last time characters discussed hyperspace in the ST it was Han Solo essentially saying he just uses his gut these days.

 

[TaliBane]

I agree 100% with you regarding what the DS's explosion looked like on-screen in ROTJ. It definitely looked completely atomized. Where I lose you is when you explain it as a sun-level or nuclear explosion that would instantly vaporize the throne room on the DS's surface. An explosive force of that speed and power isn't going to simply dissipate a few hundred meters from the surface. It would have consumed the ship that Luke & Anakin were on as well as those of Lando and the other rebels emerging from the superstructure. As you've obviously granted some creative license to the OT creators in regard to their application of scientific laws (I'm assuming you were OK with Luke & Lando surviving ), it seems rather hypocritical to adamantly refuse to do so in the case of TROS. Let's face it - they had the DS explode that way because it looked cool, but they didn't do the math.

The Russian plane that dropped the Tsar bomb - the largest man-made detonation in history that was roughly the scale/volume of the DSII explosion - escaped (just barely) the blast sphere, so I see no issue with the rebels escaping the DSII blast. They include several shots that show rebel craft speeding away just before the huge detonation, you would assume at great speed.

And perhaps it's best to assume they made the DS explode that way because that's how they wanted it to look. They could have shown the huge DS model with roto explosions and chunks of superstructure separating - but they wanted to show a clear, visual END OF THE EMPIRE. Atomized. That's the only "math" that matters.

Regardless, you lose me when you say that because ships retreating at high speed perhaps dozens of miles away (hard to say how distant) escape the blast, then you have a hard time believing that a thin tower structure at ground zero would be vaporized. That's sort of non-sensical, right?

Let's just summarize this and move on:

I just hope the state of debris gets back to the guy who made the throne. That?s a real feather in your cap as a craftsman.

Dude, you have the heat of a Death Star explosion lately - which admittedly isn't as hot as it used to be.

Maybe the throne maker could put it on his throne sales facebook - "original model survived 15 mile diameter explosion - dm for pics and details."

 

[YoNoSe]

“The girl is on Endor. Bring her to me.
And one other thing while you’re there...”