Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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The early comedy style alien designs set a strange tone of the film. They even deformed the Mon Calamari to make it appear more like a cartoon version of the species:

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This was just plain creepy, shoehorning in a scene without explanation just so Han Solo could pay tribute to Leia and forgive his son:

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There was an odd little, possibly unintentional, moment when Rey's helmet fell, resembling the shape of Baby Yoda' pram:

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From what you?re saying it?s like no one can be trusted. The dozens if not hundreds of critics are biased and can be bought off, except when they aren?t like in this movies case (I guess Disney ran out of bribery money for this and in the many other critical flops that they have), and that the general audience are easily influenced and as such their reactions can also not be trusted. It?s almost like you?re saying if someone?s opinion differs from you and yours they must be biased for one of a dozen different reasons.

And I?m sure there probably are cases where such suggestions may be true, but I?m not sure you can apply it to the entire population.

At the end of the day imo people will like what they like, and dislike what they dislike and it?s a pointless exercise to determine why or why not or to suggest it?s all some conspiracy, like everyone is bought and paid for.

Nah not what I?m saying at all. What I?m saying is rt sucks and can?t be trusted. Don?t no where the hell you got that from. Sounds like your an ST fan who doesn?t really like criticism to much so I must be biased cause I think the ST sucks and RT is trash.

Sorry buddy but i don?t care what one website says. The ST is poorly written trash with good bits thrown in here and there. It doesn?t take rocket science to see that the reviews for TLJ were head scratchers.
 
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What did everyone think of Rey being a Palpatine? Felt like a massive cop out.

I always thought Palpatine was gay and had the hots for Anakin, so it was pretty unexpected until it appeared in the leaks.

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Don't suppose the myriad of writers decided who her parents were until late, and what with all the speculation they went for something that nobody expected (cue the Spanish Inquisition). The choice also gave them a chance of earning some OT credits, but all it really did was undermine Anakin's redemption in ROTJ.

Ren/Ben ended up stealing Anakin's redemption for himself, which was ironic since his grandad was his hero.
 
doing fan service shouldn?t be a thing, who cares, every time they do it, turns out horrendous, i mean some franchises handle fan service better than others but it?s a bad excuse to cater to fans that way.

Die another Day left a bad taste in my mouth, movies shouldn?t be made with the thoughts of trying to please the fans by catering to different types of groups, this how you divide fans, they should just stick to a story and go with it, but you know, Disney.


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This was awful, worse than the last one.

Most babified and dumbed down Star Wars movie yet. No substance at all. Theres not one scene that stood out where I thought oh yeah, thats a cool idea. The whole thing was cringey. All these interesting concepts set up in the Force Awakens like the Knights of Ren cult, Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren ended up falling flat on their face and went no where.

You got grown *** men in their 30s and 40s eating this **** up writing essays on what is essentially a baby movie. Rey, Finn and Poe having dull, eye rolling banter every 2 minutes. Little Babu Frick talking baby speak while working on 3POs head, BS explanations and retcons on why TLJ sucked (I was cracking up when I saw those test tube Snoke clones), even weirder Disney Force Powers, all the older actors looking uncanny valley with their CGI faces and wigs, it was just insulting. I just dont see how anyone that grew up with the originals could like something like this sequel trilogy. These last two movies make the Force Awakens look like a great movie and make the prequels look like quaint, Shakespearesque stories in comparison.

People got paid to write this stuff. Remember that.
 
I haven't watched the movie yet. I just think it's dumb that everything relating to a former film is now relegated to fan service.
 
This was awful, worse than the last one.

Most babified and dumbed down Star Wars movie yet. No substance at all. There?s not one scene that stood out where I thought ?oh yeah, that?s a cool idea?. The whole thing was cringey. All these interesting concepts set up in the Force Awakens like the Knights of Ren cult, Luke Skywalker and Kylo Ren ended up falling flat on their face.

You got grown *** men in their 30s and 40s eating this **** up writing essays on what is essentially a baby movie. Rey, Finn and Poe having dull, eye rolling banter every 2 minuets. Little Babu Frick talking baby speak while working on 3POs head, BS explanations and retcons on why TLJ sucked (I was cracking up when I saw those test tube Snoke clones), even weirder Disney Force Powers, all the older actors looking uncanny valley with their CGI faces and wigs, it was just insulting. I don?t see how anyone that grew up with the originals could like something like this sequel trilogy.

People got paid to write this stuff. Remember that.

Lightsaber fight in this utterly decimated any lightsaber fight from the PT including TPM Maul.

:nana

But yes the overall trilogy narrative is just an absolute unnecessary mess lol

Ok fine ROTS told us that Palpatine would eventually return but man it just makes no freaking sense.

I hated

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Lightsaber fight in this utterly decimated any lightsaber fight from the PT including TPM Maul.

I don’t think so. I went to the bar last night and Attack of the Clones was on. Obi-Wan and Jango were fighting in the rain or whatever. Looked cooler than any of the action scenes in this Last Skywalker. Especially when they’re just punching and head butting each other without the blasters and lightsabers.

The Rey and Kylo saber scenes in this one were lame and almost identical to the previous two movies. When Ben takes out the Knights I was getting flashbacks to two years ago with the Snoke lobster guards. It was all stupid.
 
I don?t think so. I went to the bar last night and Attack of the Clones was on. Obi-Wan and Jango were fighting in the rain or whatever. Looked cooler than any of the action scenes in this Last Skywalker. Especially when they?re just punching and head butting each other without the blasters and lightsabers.

The Rey and Kylo saber scenes in this one were lame and almost identical to the previous two movies. When Ben takes out the Knights I was getting flashbacks to two years ago with the Snoke lobster guards. It was all stupid.

That may be the saddest sentence I've ever read...
 
I don?t think so. I went to the bar last night and Attack of the Clones was on. Obi-Wan and Jango were fighting in the rain or whatever. Looked cooler than any of the action scenes in this Last Skywalker. Especially when they?re just punching and head butting each other without the blasters and lightsabers.

The Rey and Kylo saber scenes in this one were lame and almost identical to the previous two movies. When Ben takes out the Knights I was getting flashbacks to two years ago with the Snoke lobster guards. It was all stupid.

That may be the saddest sentence I've ever read...

DiFabio hangs out at the Dexter Jettster Bar and Grill lol


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Oh yeah, I got ****ing plastered. It was kinda sad, we still had fun though.

I was thinking how much better this movie would have been if I had seen it high. There was that weird part mid way through on that desert planet where all those creepy hippy aliens are having their burning man gay pride festival of color celebration. All those extreme close ups on these dancing weirdos had me wondering if someone slipped something in my slushee. It was just bizarre.
 
Oh yeah, I got ****ing plastered. It was kinda sad, we still had fun though.

I was thinking how much better this movie would have been if I had seen it high. There was that weird part mid way through on that desert planet where all those creepy hippy aliens are having their burning man gay pride festival of color celebration. All those extreme close ups on these dancing weirdos had me wondering if someone slipped something in my slushee. It was just bizarre.

SW now has a full on Michael Jackson Beat It Thriller dance sequence in its books lol

Why were they celebrating anyways there were imperials there and Palpatine had broadcasted on Fox News that he was back wtf were they happy about lol






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People got paid to write this stuff. Remember that.

It's a sobering thought, isn't it?

:lol


In 1977 Alec Guinness wrote, "New rubbish dialogue reaches me every other day on wadges of pink paper, and none of it makes my character clear or even bearable."

What on earth would he have made of the TROS script?
 
Why The Rise of Skywalker Is So Frantic

The last installment of Disney's Star Wars trilogy takes a storytelling approach diametrically opposed to what made the original series good.

Spencer Kornhaber


I just wanted more elephant-walrus Coachella. Early in The Rise of Skywalker, the final movie in Disney's main Star Wars trilogy, the heroes travel to a desert planet where they encounter a sprawling bacchanalia populated by spongey-skinned aliens with tentacles dangling from their face. C-3PO informs them that it is the 'Festival of the Ancestors,' that it only happens about every 42 years, and that it is known for its colorful kites and delectable sweets. The other characters look exasperatedly at the droid. They're on a mission, and this exoplanet state fair happened to get in their way.

If only they could have slowed down. For a moment, it felt, The Rise of Skywalker was about to dunk audiences into a very Star Wars experience: falling in love with a sci-fi remix of our own planet's wonders as the characters hang out and get to know the locals. Rey sits with some piglet-like young creatures and watches a puppet show. Poe warns that spies might be among the crowd, which would seem to create a need for the characters to pay attention to their surroundings (think: the Day of the Dead sequence in the James Bond film Spectre).The carnival on Pasaana might have joined the motley spaceport of Mos Eisley, the Jetsons beauty of Cloud City, the medieval sin den of Jabba's Palace, and other made-up George Lucas places that feel real to fans.

But then, vwomp. Rey is forced into a telepathic discussion with her rival Kylo Ren, who grabs her necklace across large expanses of space, uses it to determine her location, and dispatches Storm Troopers to chase her team into the desert in a scene that plagiarizes Mad Max: Fury Road. The delectable sweets are never sampled.

Nothing stays put in The Rise of Skywalker. J. J. Abrams, the director and one of the co-writers, picks up and ditches intriguing concepts so capriciously that viewers are left feeling as if they've watched someone sneeze on all the items at a fabulous buffet. This approach which is for want of a better word, completely manic, my colleague David Sims wrote is a big part of the negative critical reaction to the movie. But the wasteful use of settings, doodads, characters, and space horses does not just exhaust the audience. It also undermines the most essential prerogative of Star Wars: world-building.

Lucas's original trilogy didn't fret all that much about having a clever plot. The arc from A New Hope to Return of the Jedi was a relatively clean and straightforward one about good guys struggling to overthrow bad ones, with limited detours to explore the consequential backstory of the main hero and main villain. Upon this sturdy spine, Lucas and his team draped exquisite set pieces set in interesting locations. The characters lingered in snow bases and treetop villages. The journey was absolutely as important as the destination.

World-building of that early Star Wars sort is different from how world-building is often talked about today in blockbuster art, which is too caught up with internet-baiting downloads of backstory and mythology. The original films implied a grand, intricate history but did not dwell on the details of how, say, Luke Skywalker stayed hidden from his father for so long. One of the disastrous things about the early-2000s prequels was that Lucas felt driven to puzzle out too many hows and whys of the universe. The stories became knotty and bizarre because they became history lessons.

What's unsettling about Abrams's approach is its hybrid nature. He seems to acknowledge that a huge part of the Star Wars magic is in envisioning dreamlike lands. But he also sees storytelling in the prequel-like terms of filling in blanks. He ends up with a movie that is information more than it is anything else. You can see this most clearly in the highly un-Star Wars emphasis on MacGuffins, the screenwriting term for doohickeys the heroes chase after.

The term MacGuffin was popularized by Alfred Hitchcock, who described it as "the thing that the characters on the screen worry about but the audience [doesn't] care." Hitchcock thought the more boring the prize, the better; a 2008 Vanity Fair piece cited the ultimate example as "microfilm containing 'government secrets'" in Hitchcock's North by Northwest. But Lucas somewhat disagreed with that version of MacGuffins and thought it was more effective to create treasures of real consequence, such as the Arc of the Covenant in Indiana Jones, which opened a channel to God. The droid R2-D2, who contained the plans for how to defeat the Death Star, was kind of the MacGuffin of A New Hope. But he was also a central character - and the secrets he contained directly and specifically determined what happened in the movie.

Abrams totally ditches Lucas's original approach on MacGuffins and opts for a cheaper version. In Rise of Skywalker, viewers are introduced to Jedi Wayfinders, little holographic pyramids that, from a production-design standpoint, look like they belong in Magic: The Gathering rather than in Star Wars. There's also an important dagger outfitted with two different esoteric maps. The way that the villains and heroes frantically battle throughout the movie for these objects makes them resemble recent blockbuster MacGuffins like The Avengers' Infinity Stones and Harry Potter's Horcruxes. But at least those objects were long-discussed in their respective universes and were understood to contain great power. In Rise of Skywalker, the Wayfinders and the dagger serve the purpose of delivering historical trivia surrounding the Force while moving the characters from point A to points B, C, T, and Z.

The way that Abrams reduces Star Wars to a treasure hunt adds greater amounts of the arbitrary and nonsensical into the viewing experience. The aforementioned dagger is found in a cave that the heroes ever so conveniently fall into (you're not allowed to complain about ridiculous coincidences in Abrams's Star Wars films - the Force has Awakened!). One Wayfinder was hiding on some unnamed planet that Kylo Ren is shown slicing through in the early moments of the film. The disposability of the objects and the context of their discoveries make it obvious that they are inventions of the filmmaker, not native parts of the universe on the screen. These MacGuffins, thus, perform world-unbuilding. They are glitches in fiction's illusion of reality.

There is, to be sure, a larger narrative encasing these flaky hijinks: The Resistance needs to stop the First Final Order from conquering everyone. But if the viewer cares at all about that mission, it is in spite of Abrams's treatment of the people and places at stake. Early in the film, Poe sends the Millennium Falcon 'lightspeed skipping,' which means the spaceship flashes for a few second in one world, then another, then another. The sequence sets the silly and frenetic tone of the movie. It also highlights the scale of the galaxy that, a long time ago, used to be Star Wars' greatest asset. Surely the whirling, flimsily motivated storytelling of this sequel represents how Hollywood is changing: The tentpole movie is a catalog, and if anything in it caught your eye, a corresponding TV show, video game, comic, or plastic toy will be eventually be ready for consumption.


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Not only it ruins Luke and Anakin/Vader, it makes the OT and the ST completely pointless. I don't think people realize how stupid this movie really is, but as usual, they will in a few years.
Does World War 2 render World War 1 irrelevant? Evil rose back up and good rose up to fight it. If Luke and the Rebellion had lost to the empire the first time the galaxy would be in the crapper by the time TFA happens.
 
Does World War 2 render World War 1 irrelevant? Evil rose back up and good rose up to fight it. If Luke and the Rebellion had lost to the empire the first time the galaxy would be in the crapper by the time TFA happens.

That's a terrible analogy, since the two wars were completely different, and the second directly stemmed from the way in which the first was finalised.

But I'm sure what the Clown Prince is referencing is that Vader's redemption is neutered, reduced to simply saving his son. Palpatine didn't die, he merely became more powerful and continued to work from the shadows as was his former modus operandi. The Empire might've become a Remnant force but it grew into the First Order, and so the cycle continues.

This is what Star Wars does though. It's in the serial nature of its origins - if you destroy a threat you must replace it, or else there's no more wars among the stars.

I'd have liked the Sequels to have eliminated the Supergirl Rey character and the Teen Tantrum Kylo character. Put a mature Luke into the Rey role, and an emergent Sith into the Kylo role, with Thrawn and the Remnant replacing the First Order.

The Rise of Skywalker is a bait and switch title, since it was actually the rise of Rey Palpatine. She simply sees herself as the heir to the Skywalker legacy, since the Skywalkers are dead.
 
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