Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

2. TROS wiped away everything Lucas wrote wholesale. The Skywalkers don't matter. Their lineage lasted a blink of an eye and are now all dead and had absolutely no impact on the overall narrative. It took a Palpatine to destroy a Palpatine. The Skywalkers are just a footnote in their own saga. Vader/Luke/Leia/Ben were not the chosen ones or brought balance to the Force - that was all Rey Palpatine who was born completely independently of the Skywalker brood. I think Obi-Wan's voice during the final battle even tells Rey to "rise and bring balance to the force". Talk about pissing all over Lucas' creation. This entire saga turned out to be the "Rise of Rey" and is the natural outcome of Kathleen Kennedy's misandrist agenda and not 40+ years of science-fantasy storytelling.

These movies will never end, so they will eventually rewrite and undo the Rise of Impostor Skywalker. 40 years from now, we'll see a new film with old Rey getting killed by her son who is the reincarnation of Palpatine or something "epic."

 

[Getter Dragon]

These movies will never end, so they will eventually rewrite and undo the Rise of Impostor Skywalker. 40 years from now, we'll see a new film with old Rey getting killed by her son who is the reincarnation of Palpatine or something "epic."

As I said, Kathleen is completely inept and failed to build a new generation of Star Wars consumers. This brand will be as dead as Flash Gordon, The Lone Ranger, Phantom, **** Tracey, etc. are now in 40 years.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Stand back everyone... I'm going to make Khev tear up again... ready...


The scene that was missing from TROS:

Force ghosts of Han Solo and son Ben Solo walking away toward the horizon, having a long overdue chat before they evaporate into infinity... as the John Williams music swells then recedes into quietness...



Here comes those tears, Khev. Go ahead, its OK...



Maybe Kylo can turn to Dad and ask: wanna have a catch?

 

[The Buffinator]

Huh... you know, it is strange that that shaft apparently went right down to the reactor core... it does beg the question, "Why?" - other than looking cool, of course. It could be that you're right and there is more too it - that might actually be the key to how he escaped. Of course there will be a book or something that will come out, and I bet they will utilizes that - Smart thinking!

Maybe he secretly hitched a ride out of there (Alien Queen style) on the Millennium Falcon.

 

[Getter Dragon]

Force ghosts of Han Solo and son Ben Solo walking away

 

[The Buffinator]

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Until it is.

 

[Getter Dragon]

Until it is.

Han Solo said it, not me...

 

[Rotfish]

As I said, Kathleen is completely inept and failed to build a new generation of Star Wars consumers. This brand will be as dead as Flash Gordon, The Lone Ranger, Phantom, **** Tracey, etc. are now in 40 years.

Nah, they'll reboot it again. Too many people love the brand unconditionally. And unlike many classic sci-fi/fantasy brands, it's also suitable for kids. Adults can take their children to the new movies purely for the sake of tradition, even if they're terrible. Not a lot of IPs have that perfect combination of age, vastness, and kid-friendliness.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

As I said, Kathleen is completely inept and failed to build a new generation of Star Wars consumers. This brand will be as dead as Flash Gordon, The Lone Ranger, Phantom, **** Tracey, etc. are now in 40 years.

I'll be all in SW if they make films about force user characters. I don't like regular characters without powers in SW. The only one that worked for me was Han Solo, but it was mainly because of Ford. I don't necessarily want the new characters to be jedi or Sith. Instead, I'd like new interesting force user characters with flaws, clear and precise character arcs, in simple but well told stories. The prequels made me dislike the Jedi because they were such weirdos, devoid of emotions, relationships, or any kind of identity since they all acted and dressed the same. They were basically monks. The one thing I liked about Rey was that she wasn't really a jedi in the traditional sense, and the same for Luke in ROTJ. They were like Christians who are believers, but don't subscribe to any form of organize religion, church or cult, which is exactly what the Jedi were in the PT. It's like the Asian guy from Rogue One, he believed in the force, but wasn't a jedi. Unfortunately, he had no powers.

 

[SilverStar17]

Stand back everyone... I'm going to make Khev tear up again... ready...


The scene that was missing from TROS:

Force ghosts of Han Solo and son Ben Solo walking away toward the horizon, having a long overdue chat before they evaporate into infinity... as the John Williams music swells then recedes into quietness...



Here comes those tears, Khev. Go ahead, its OK...



Maybe Kylo can turn to Dad and ask: wanna have a catch?

”Ease his pain.....”

 

[Getter Dragon]

Nah, they'll reboot it again. Too many people love the brand unconditionally. And unlike many classic sci-fi/fantasy brands, it's also suitable for kids. Adults can take their children to the new movies purely for the sake of tradition, even if they're terrible. Not a lot of IPs have that perfect combination of age, vastness, and kid-friendliness.

Let's agree to meet up in 40 years and if the 4D holographic reboot of this ST makes a gazillion dollars you can have TwelveInchFigures entire 1/6 collection. If it flops, I get to have it. Deal?

 

[sithocan]

But the sacrifice doesn't justify him having the ability to resurrect someone from the dead. This power burns previous Star Wars to the ground. You don't think Anakin would've made the same sacrifice for his mother? Or Luke for his father at the end of ROTJ? Maybe even Obi-Wan for Qui-Gon?

If exchanging "Life Force" can resurrect a dead person, and Force users seemingly have an instinct for how to do it, Anakin's entire fall to the dark side has just been completely undermined. I'm talking totally **** on.



Palpatine drained the force from her before she killed him. She went on to fight off a guy who had just lightning-attacked miles worth of starships! And after having his force drained, Kylo got thrown into a pit . . . and then climbed out . . . and still had enough force left to BRING SOMEONE BACK TO LIFE!

None of this makes any sense at all. Palpatine drains the force from two people so that he can become the most powerful Sith in history. But the force drain leaves Rey strong enough to kill him, and leaves Kylo strong enough to bring someone back from the dead. But when Kylo drains himself, it kills him. But Rey can drain enough of herself to heal Kylo without any repercussions.

The rules are all over the place. And I still wouldn't really have a problem with that if these new Force powers didn't completely mess with critical OT and PT plot points. Now everything that those movies were centered around is called into question. If you can just suck "life force" out of someone to make yourself more powerful, why didn't Vader eventually return his body back to the health he had as Anakin? Why didn't Palpatine just do that to Luke in order to get even stronger? Or do it to Yoda?

A mess. If JJ had introduced a new Force power where Jedi could fart Force bubbles that incapacitate opponents, it'd be less of a problem. But he went with the one power that can undermine the key events of GL's episodes.

As far as I remember there was "force heal" in SW games before Disney era and those were also considered canon. I don't know if anyone objected this power at those times.

 

[Rotfish]

Let's agree to meet up in 40 years and if the 4D holographic reboot of this ST makes a gazillion dollars you can have TwelveInchFigures entire 1/6 collection. If it flops, I get to have it. Deal?

It's a win-win either way. If I lose, it means we'll have moved on to fresh, (hopefully) original IP.

 

[Sassafras]

Nah, they'll reboot it again. Too many people love the brand unconditionally. And unlike many classic sci-fi/fantasy brands, it's also suitable for kids. Adults can take their children to the new movies purely for the sake of tradition, even if they're terrible. Not a lot of IPs have that perfect combination of age, vastness, and kid-friendliness.

Yep. Plus there's a huge amount of material to draw on (yeah, sure, like artists/writers/set designers don't read while at home no matter what Disney says is canon) and Hollywood doesn't have a great track record re originality.

 

[spindrift]

Was a worthy and fitting end to the saga. I felt JJ did what he could to tie it all up in one film. I felt the sand chase felt abit tacked on and too lengthy and the final space battle was so-so but the Rey/Kylo/Emperor confrontations were truly memorable.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I originally hated it. And another reason I was so astonished when I loved the final installment and it changed the other two for me as well.

It is very unusual to find a total convert.

 

[Getter Dragon]

I actually laughed out loud at that!

I guess I better build my collection up to make it worth your while!

That's appreciated. My fall back bet was Wor-Gar's collection, but I'm not sure if he (or she no offense meant by my assumptions) keeps the HT shippers or not.

 

[TaliBane]

Maybe he secretly hitched a ride out of there (Alien Queen style) on the Millennium Falcon.

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If they use that in a novel, you get the credit!

The novel will be Lando in his underwear with a bottle of Colt 45 hunting down this cackling little ghost-oldie who keeps scampering about. Nien Nunb will be like Jonesy the cat - hissing and going "abadobabdaba!" every time Palps scampers past. They then jettison him over Exogol......... setting up the events of TROS!


My kids suddenly got a major jones to see TROS so I got delayed to tonight to see this. So frustrating seeing how pretty much everyone on here has now seen this. I'm gonna be alone in here arguing with myself. My kids never utter a word about SW while under Fortnite or iphone hypnosis then suddenly everyone's p*ssed off that dad's going to see the new SW movie with his buds and without them. Well... I'll know what everyone else does in a few hours.

Interesting that TROS's opening weekend was scaled back to $175m. $75m short of TFA's opening and nearly $50m from TLJ's (not even adjusted) is kinda significant. Though I've always had the opinion that sequel movies perform based on how the predecessor was received - so TLJ benefits from the largely positive view of TFA (as the palate cleanser for the PT), while TROS suffers from a deeply divided response of TLJ.

Two years ago people paralleled TLJ and ESB as the "middle film dip" thing in terms of performance being under the original (as a defense of TLJ falling quite a bit short of TFA,) but ROTJ far outgrossed ESB and was closer to the realm of SW/ANH - don't think TROS is going to outgross TLJ by much, if at all. Based on this, it's possible TROS might even struggle to cross a billion, but that would be pretty surprising.

ROTJ was so different from TROS - so many burning questions and a showdown that had been building up - TROS doesn't really have much of that (other than the marketing tagline of "the end of a saga 42 years in the making," though that's just marketing bs really.)

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

No way this film doesnt make a billion.

 

[Blood Electricity]

I kinda feel like this movie would probably do well over seas. My guess is it doesn?t do as well domestic but better internationally than the last one.


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