Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[SilverStar17]

Audiences eat it up, tear up, and clap...

When you don’t have any ideas, just borrow from the MCU format.

 

[JAWS]

It?ll hit a billion. It?s not a bad film just flawed

Kinda like ROTJ

 

[xipotec]

Stand back everyone... I'm going to make Khev tear up again... ready...


The scene that was missing from TROS:

Force ghosts of Han Solo and son Ben Solo walking away toward the horizon, having a long overdue chat before they evaporate into infinity... as the John Williams music swells then recedes into quietness...



Here comes those tears, Khev. Go ahead, its OK...



Maybe Kylo can turn to Dad and ask: wanna have a catch?

Actually, that was my biggest complaint about the end.....

Spoiler

The way they handled the Jedit round up. How cool would it have been to see each force ghost appear and merge with Rey as she was holding off Palps....

That would have been amazing.

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[DarkChocobi]

I did like a thousand pages ago... lol.

No, thank you! It's refreshing to see someone who wants to engage in discourse instead of immediately jumping to accusations like you are just a racist/sexist/mysogynist/moron/hater/salty whenever anyone criticizes these movies. When I say these movies are trash I am not insulting anyone other than the creators of these movies, but a lot of people on this board take it personally as if they own a stake in Star Wars. You can't have constructive discussions with fanboys and apologists who are easily distracted by lightsabers and spaceships, so I don't bother.

Contrary to popular belief (and I do realize most of my posts come off like this), but I don't hate these movies per se, rather, I experience pure disappointment at what should have been; especially after watching TROS. I never said these movies were not well made, my objections with the ST (and PT for that matter) have to do with lore-breaking plot points and the overarching 40-year-old narrative and character arcs and how they have been discarded/wasted/ruined along the way (which makes sense given my professional background in a creative industry) and not little details or minor plot-holes.

I have two primary problems with TROS:

1. This movie seems like a rushed jumbled mess because it's actually two movies in one. It's JJ's Episode 8 & 9 mushed together because of Ruin's folly. TLJ was the lore-breaking end of a series and closed most of the narrative threads leaving no where for the story to go. Ruin is an incompetent writer even though his direction is beautiful. JJ had to setup an entire previous movie in TROS in order to continue a story and it shows. For example, all the stuff about getting a transmission from Palpatine and Kylo eventually finding him should have been the plot of 8. The end of 8 should have been Palpatine telling Kylo to find Rey. Skipping over massive plot points like that is dissatisfying. This trilogy would have been so much better had JJ made all 3 movies.

2. TROS wiped away everything Lucas wrote wholesale. The Skywalkers don't matter. Their lineage lasted a blink of an eye and are now all dead and had absolutely no impact on the overall narrative. It took a Palpatine to destroy a Palpatine. The Skywalkers are just a footnote in their own saga. Vader/Luke/Leia/Ben were not the chosen ones or brought balance to the Force - that was all Rey Palpatine who was born completely independently of the Skywalker brood. I think Obi-Wan's voice during the final battle even tells Rey to "rise and bring balance to the force". Talk about pissing all over Lucas' creation. This entire saga turned out to be the "Rise of Rey" and is the natural outcome of Kathleen Kennedy's misandrist agenda and not 40+ years of science-fantasy storytelling.

This entire debacle lies at the feet of Kathleen Kennedy. She had one job - grow the brand to include young girls and women, visible minorities, and the Chinese market because the more people that love Star Wars, the more money Disney stockholders will make on merchandise sales. But through her gross incompetence she has actually shrunk the original consumer base, shooed away a large number of OG fans, failed to attract a new, young generation of fans (Marvel has taken over the hearts and imaginations of younglings today) and women, young girls and minorities still don't care about Star Wars. The brand is DOA in China and has only appealed to virtue-signaling twitter mobs who want to be perceived as SJWs without actually doing anything concrete to help marginalized populations that need it. I don't see these loud-mouthed a***oles volunteering at women's shelters or coaching at-risk youth, but I do see them vomiting insults and stupidity all over social media. These are also people who have no interest in buying expensive Star Wars dolls like us or any other merchandise - no more sweet sweet SW money for you Disney; that honeypot has dried up. Lagging merchandise earnings and flopping movies prove this point.

And of course, Lucas has no love for these movies, so I will join the creator of Star Wars on that side of the fence.

Sorry for writing all this crap no one wants to read and I also wish you a happy and safe holiday!

 

[xipotec]

Actually, there were a bunch of conveniences in that sequence. First, they all landed on the quicksand, then they just happened to stumble onto the buried artifact in a cave, followed by a snake thing conveniently creating a hole on a wall for them to escape, so that they can take a ship that just happened to be abandoned for a decade, but ready to be used, yet no one saw it or stole it.

The snake thing helped them because Rey helped it, which is from Rebels as the main character there communes with animals and they assist him, like spirit guides.

They clearly stated that the area residents stayed away from that ship because they felt it was bad luck.


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[jye4ever]

May DiFabio have mercy on my soul for what i?m about to say.

The most powerful moving moment in Star Wars obviously remains I Am Your Father.

But the second most powerful moving moment in Star Wars for me now is the Leia-Han-Kylo moment.

Rey is on her knees defeated.

When it goes silent around Kylo and you hear Leia then you see her silhouette I had goosebumps and tears but then Han talks and I was floored by that one two punch.

HOWEVER

sigh

Between the very unfocused underwhelming space battle and Palpatine losing too easily it all came crashing down for me at the end.

The Kylo Rey stuff was great both actors shined brilliantly but that 3rd act while not entirely void of epic moments just fell short for me.

Palpatine lost too easy.


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[SilverStar17]

May DiFabio have mercy on my soul for what i?m about to say.

The most powerful moving moment in Star Wars obviously remains I Am Your Father.

But the second most powerful moving moment in Star Wars for me now is the Leia-Han-Kylo moment.

Rey is on her knees defeated.

When it goes silent around Kylo and you hear Leia then you see her silhouette I had goosebumps and tears but then Han talks and I was floored by that one two punch.

HOWEVER

sigh

Between the very unfocused underwhelming space battle and Palpatine losing too easily it all came crashing down for me at the end.

The Kylo Rey stuff was great both actors shined brilliantly but that 3rd act while not entirely void of epic moments just fell short for me.

Palpatine lost too easy.


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If I had to choose, mine is probably still this moment:

But without the added “No.....NOOOOO!”

I always liked the original version where he was silent. Ironically, I thought the added “NOOOOO!” took away from the drama of the moment, while I’m sure Lucas probably felt it added to it. I always liked the fact that he was silently deciding in his head what to do, and simply made his choice without needing to scream. His actions alone did the talking.

 

[Darthrazz]

Saw it today, I liked it. Unlike TLJ, this felt like a Star Wars movie. I went in knowing nothing about it or any spoilers. It had some cool surprises.

As far as the emperor not dying at the end of ROTJ. Didn't he mention that he had died many times before?

I did enjoy it more than TLJ. I think that you can probably edit some parts of TLJ into this movie and have it work.

The back stories sound like they might have been cooler to see however. Lando and Luke looking for the way finder, creation of Snoke , Luke training Leia.

 

[JAWS]

May DiFabio have mercy on my soul for what i?m about to say.

The most powerful moving moment in Star Wars obviously remains I Am Your Father.

But the second most powerful moving moment in Star Wars for me now is the Leia-Han-Kylo moment.

Rey is on her knees defeated.

When it goes silent around Kylo and you hear Leia then you see her silhouette I had goosebumps and tears but then Han talks and I was floored by that one two punch.

HOWEVER

sigh

Between the very unfocused underwhelming space battle and Palpatine losing too easily it all came crashing down for me at the end.

The Kylo Rey stuff was great both actors shined brilliantly but that 3rd act while not entirely void of epic moments just fell short for me.

Palpatine lost too easy.


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Did he lose to easily though?? I mean Rey had the power of all the Jedi behind her / in her didn't she?

IDK.. I thought it was all fine.

I agree about the Kylo / Han / Rey stuff. Very moving and powerful... However I agree with Silverstar below.

If I had to choose, mine is probably still this moment:

But without the added “No.....NOOOOO!”

I always liked the original version where he was silent. Ironically, I thought the added “NOOOOO!” took away from the drama of the moment, while I’m sure Lucas probably felt it added to it. I always liked the fact that he was silently deciding in his head what to do, and simply made his choice without needing to scream. His actions alone did the talking.

I hate the addition of Nooo more than Greedo shooting first.

But what a great moment. Williams Music and use of the Force theme is perfect there.

Luke's "Never: and beating Vader is a great moment also... Great music

Of course "No, I am your father" is still number 1 but the above mentioned and the Kylo and his parents parts are all very emotional and amazing.

 

[Darthrazz]

I'm wondering, can this just be a Duology with TFA and then TROS without needing to see TLJ to make sense of it all?
Haven't seen TROS and probably won't until it ends up on TNT, but from all the leaks I read/heard it seems to me that you can erase the memory of TLJ and still have a decent "coherent" story from just the Abrams SW films. Forget TLJ.

You probably can, you just need the training scenes, the Rey Kylo fight, Snoke death, Crait battle and thats it.

By the way anyone else catch John Williams cameo?

 

[chewblacca]

I’m sorry but I never got the emotional connection between Rey and Luke or Leia well Leia maybe because she knew and interacted with her more. But she met Luke and interacted with him for like what, a day or two before flying off in TLJ. Then she speaks to him again while she’s burning the tie fighter and tosses away the family lightsaber. Leia she trains with in ROS, but before that all we see is an awkward hug between strangers in TFA. I don’t recall them talking at all in TLJ. I guess they bonded between films though. A stronger and more emotional one, I feel was between Anakin and Obi Wan. I get the feels when I see them say good bye for the last time in ROTS only to meet again as enemies later on on Mustafar. There was love between those two. With Rey and Leia I get a fond admiration.

 

[jye4ever]

Did he lose to easily though?? I mean Rey had the power of all the Jedi behind her / in her didn't she?

IDK.. I thought it was all fine.

I agree about the Kylo / Han / Rey stuff. Very moving and powerful... However I agree with Silverstar below.




I hate the addition of Nooo more than Greedo shooting first.

But what a great moment. Williams Music and use of the Force theme is perfect there.

Luke's "Never: and beating Vader is a great moment also... Great music

Of course "No, I am your father" is still number 1 but the above mentioned and the Kylo and his parents parts are all very emotional and amazing.

One thing is certain D O is hands down the worst droid in SW.

While I think Babu humor fell flat at times during the memory wipe scene I did lol at him popping up in the Ywing that was good lol

That saber battle over the ocean was insanely thrilling and gorgeous I could watch that all day.

It?s so hard be critical of Ian McDiarmid isn?t it nearly impossible really lol


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[Getter Dragon]

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Your use of this image always makes me laugh out loud. I'm enjoying the discussions on this thread quite a bit.

 

[xipotec]

One thing is certain D O is hands down the worst droid in SW.

While I think Babu humor fell flat at times during the memory wipe scene I did lol at him popping up in the Ywing that was good lol

That saber battle over the ocean was insanely thrilling and gorgeous I could watch that all day.

It?s so hard be critical of Ian McDiarmid isn?t it nearly impossible really lol


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Weird , I liked DO......

Babu I felt the same.

Worst thing in that film to me creature wise was that damn X wing pilot. He just looks horrible in each film.

The background aliens all looks really cool.







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[Prime Clone]

Two main things are preventing my enjoyment/acceptance of this film:

1. Rey being a Palpatine. This is supposed to be the Skywalker Saga, and her story overshadows Ben's.
2. The Palpatine/Final Order revelation. What was the real point of Snoke and the First Order?

I didn't mind Palpatine's return per se, but would have preferred he possessed Snoke's body. Why have a succession of Snoke clones?

 

[SilverStar17]

Two main things are preventing my enjoyment/acceptance of this film:

1. Rey being a Palpatine. This is supposed to be the Skywalker Saga, and her story overshadows Ben's.
2. The Palpatine/Final Order revelation. What was the real point of Snoke and the First Order?

I didn't mind Palpatine's return per se, but would have preferred he possessed Snoke's body. Why have a succession of Snoke clones?

This.

I haven’t seen the film yet (probably won’t until this week after Christmas), and while I may very well enjoy it as a SW film, I may have a difficult time accepting it because I can’t get over them bringing back Palpatine in the first place. To me, the move was lazy, and signified that they simply didn’t know what else to do.

 

[Getter Dragon]

Two main things are preventing my enjoyment/acceptance of this film:

1. Rey being a Palpatine. This is supposed to be the Skywalker Saga, and her story overshadows Ben's.
2. The Palpatine/Final Order revelation. What was the real point of Snoke and the First Order?

Both of these are direct responses to Kennedy's identity politics (Rey must be a Goddess destined to destroy the white male patriarchy) and Ruin's incompetent writing (killing off Snoke cause your Snoke Theory Sucks). TLJ is not just a bad movie, it destroyed this trilogy.

This.

I haven?t seen the film yet (probably won?t until this week after Christmas), and while I may very well enjoy it as a SW film, I may have a difficult time accepting it because I can?t get over them bringing back Palpatine in the first place. To me, the move was lazy, and signified that they simply didn?t know what else to do.

TROS is incredibly lazy, but JJ couldn't remake 8 so here we are. All the ridiculous and convenient plot points such as Rey & Co. randomly ending up in a sink hole directly over the sith dagger in a massive desert are examples of this. No time to write a coherent fetch quest when you have 15 more to include in the movie.

 

[Darthrazz]

Who / what was Snoke? A clone?

 

[Prime Clone]

TLJ is not just a bad movie, it destroyed this trilogy.

I didn't mind TLJ, but I don't think JJ should have reacted to its subversion with more subversion of his own. He should have just taken what was there and run with it - focus on Kylo as the new Supreme Leader.

 

[Getter Dragon]

Who / what was Snoke? A clone?

More of a meat puppet with Palpatine as the puppeteer and the Force are the strings.

I didn't mind TLJ, but I don't think JJ should have reacted to its subversion with more subversion of his own. He should have just taken what was there and run with it - focus on Kylo as the new Supreme Leader.

Unless JJ never meant for Kylo to be Supreme Leader until Ruin left him with a mess to clean up. So he retconned it and I am glad he did even if he had to go back to the well for Palpatine. I will gladly trade Lucas' lore for a public f u to Johnson. It was pretty obvious from TFA that Kylo was on a redemption arc. Ruin Johnson is such a wanker.