Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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I did enjoy a lot of it though. The story needed to breathe more to me. If the plan was always to bring back Palpatine and Abrams had done all 3 I would have enjoyed it more for sure. Like I said I didn't hate it but it felt like the script was too faced paced to fix last jedi's failings. I am glad so many people got to enjoy it though after the division from the last jedi. I will watch it again soon and see if it improves for me. Either way not a bad movie but like most entertainment nowadays in 2 months most may not remember.

You know a lot of us love it but you're definitely not alone with your criticisms. For all I know fans are just as split on TROS as they were on TLJ but I think a definite difference this time around is that those who don't like it mostly have issues with the structure or execution of the film itself rather than being outraged at the disrespectful choices of an openly divisive and antagonistic director.

I suspect that many who don't like it now might one day warm to it and see it as more of a lovable mixed bag not too unlike ROTJ. But the "stain" of TLJ and public lashing out at fans by RJ and others at LFL might just be too great for many to forget right now. We'll see in time if my guess is correct of course.
 
Rise had to spend way too much time retconning and fixing the disaster that was tlj. They should have split it into 2 movies. I still really liked it but there is no time to breathe, they crammed everything in to 2.5 hours which left alot of people confused and important stuff unexplained (like how palps came back)
 
While I can?t stand RJ hostile, disgusting and disrespectful persona towards the fans who put food on his table I would argue that some of the narrative structure he added onto Luke, Rey, Kylo and the Sith Jedi order had more intricate layers than what we got even in Joker which was really just a simple examination of hallucinating male psychosis 101.

Ok Joker fanatics relax it?s still a very good movie lol

I?m actually shocked SHOCKED that JJ and his writing partner were able to build on that and create additional layers for the primary characters especially ESPECIALLY with that spectacular send off for Leia and how it brilliantly impacted Han and Kylo.

That powerful Leia send off with Kylo honoring both of his parents sacrifices is hands down one of the BEST moments in ALL OF SW and then when you add that amazing lightsaber battle leading up to that honestly it single handily saved this movie for me because it makes me forgive the fleet battle at the end and Palpatine losing too easily.

Rey?s flip over the crashing wave is just the crazy cherry on top of everything else lol

Leia send off was one of the primary critical points they had to get right and boy did they.

Luke, Han, Lando, Palpatine, Fan Service and Space Battle were the other 5 elements.

Luke was given enough of a correction to be given a pass

Han was pure perfection

Lando wasn?t tarnished so a pass.

Palpatine, Ian McDiarmid nuff said on the subject.

Fan service 50% good.

Space battle was a massive fail!


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If I turn our brain on,
1-That tow cable thing works only ATATs walk in a certain speed. With the speed depicted in the movie, they would have been just unable to move, not stumble.
2-They don't need to run through blockade, they could have simply travel to the otherside of planet and escape.
3- I know empire sends thousands of probe droids across galaxy, so probe droid arriving on Hoth is acceptable, but what's the probability it lands near rebel base on a planet.
4-How did Luke survive the fall? And how on earth he stopped exactly on the shaft door which will open.
5-How can Luke whose training is nothing compared to Vader's 30-40 years of Jedi and Sith training can hit him on the shoulder with his saber?

In short, I am sure there are many near perfect movies and you can't name all of them. But regarding SW you could just name ESB which is not perfect at all. For rest, you accept we need to turn our brains off. So, needing to turn our brains off to watch TROS does only show it's a movie like thousands before it.

I don't remember fans bashing Nolan for he did not show how Batman escaped The Bat in TDKR or question Lucius Fox why was he unaware of an escape pod in The Bat which he or his team designed.

1.) The tripping of the AT-ATs wouldn't depend on walking speed. The implied physics of it revolves around not being able to extend the lower part of the leading leg, thereby creating too long of a sustained imbalance. It's almost like the prank of tying someone's shoes together when they're standing still; they don't need to get to running speed in order to trip and fall.

2.) There was no way for the escaping Rebels to be sure that the Empire wouldn't be building a perimeter around the entire planet when they were evacuating.

3.) If you watch the movie, you'll see that multiple probe droids were launched onto Hoth. It wasn't just one that then happened to land near the base; there were others that landed near nothing. Considering that ESB takes place 2 years after ANH, the Empire would have been looking for the Rebels that whole time. It's not like they hit paydirt with their first probe droid launch.

4.) Shaft doors would usually open where things would naturally settle (like Luke did). You wouldn't put a drain latch at the top of a pool; you'd put it at the bottom in order for gravity to do the work. As for how Luke survived, he had clearly learned telekinetic powers that could've been used to brace the impact of his fall. Rey can now levitate herself while also levitating rocks, so why not?

5.) Because Vader wasn't trying to kill Luke; he was merely trying to trap him. Luke was fighting for his life against a superior opponent, and was therefore like a cornered animal lashing out against someone who doesn't want to kill it. The animal has a better chance of inflicting damage than it would against a predator willing to strike with lethal intent.


ESB isn't a perfect movie in terms of plot logic, and no one was saying that a SW movie needs to be perfect. But you definitely don't need to turn your brain off to enjoy ESB; not by a longshot. In fact, ESB is a more enjoyable viewing experience when you engage with it cognitively rather than just reflexively. That's because ESB has substance to it, just like all great films do (and *should*).

One of the plot logic problems in ESB would only exist for me if it had to exist in the context of TROS. Why didn't Vader use the Force to pull the Falcon down as it was leaving Hoth? That wasn't a problem before because we reasonably presumed that stopping an accelerating starship with the Force would be absurd. Not anymore; Rey and Kylo can *both* do it.

I suppose that a movie can still be enjoyed if you have to turn off your brain to do so. But it goes too far if someone has to completely unplug the brain for fear that even in "standby mode" it would start sounding alarm bells at every turn. I don't know how any movie can be enjoyable at that point.
 
While I can?t stand RJ hostile, disgusting and disrespectful persona towards the fans who put food on his table I would argue that some of the narrative structure he added onto Luke, Rey, Kylo and the Sith Jedi order had more intricate layers than what we got even in Joker which was really just a simple examination of hallucinating male psychosis 101.

Ok Joker fanatics relax it?s still a very good movie lol

I?m actually shocked SHOCKED that JJ and his writing partner were able to build on that and create additional layers for the primary characters especially ESPECIALLY with that spectacular send off for Leia and how it brilliantly impacted Han and Kylo.

That powerful Leia send off with Kylo honoring both of his parents sacrifices is hands down one of the BEST moments in ALL OF SW and then when you add that amazing lightsaber battle leading up to that honestly it single handily saved this movie for me because it makes me forgive the fleet battle at the end and Palpatine losing too easily.

I'm only going to antagonize you with this post because you took another cheap shot at Joker. :lol

But why would Leia choose to wait until so much harm had been done before reaching out to her son? Her husband had to die. Her brother had to die. Billions of people had to die.

If reaching out and connecting with Ben's mind is something that Leia was capable of, why did she let him descend so far down into the dark side that he had to commit atrocities just to resist the pull to the light? Wouldn't it have been easier (and better) before all that?

And why does reaching out to her son via the Force end up killing her? Luke reached out to Leia in ESB without any consequences. Vader reached out to Luke, and even had sort of a conversation with him. But now reaching out to a family member through the Force to say his name has lethal consequences?

But enough of that. I want to wish you a Merry Christmas, jye (or a happy holiday if you don't celebrate Christmas). And Merry Christmas (or happy holiday) to all the Freaks!
 
And why does reaching out to her son via the Force end up killing her? Luke reached out to Leia in ESB without any consequences. Vader reached out to Luke, and even had sort of a conversation with him. But now reaching out to a family member through the Force to say his name has lethal consequences?

I think proximity is the key factor.

In ESB the reaching out was in the same orbit even, I'm not sure how far out the Falcon was from Bespin, but they were reasonably close, when you're talking about star systems/galaxies.

In TLJ and TROS respectively, they were multiple systems apart. Anch-To was a remote system ... the implication was that Luke expended all his energy projecting himself to Crait and then died. Leia did the same thing,
 
1.) The tripping of the AT-ATs wouldn't depend on walking speed. The implied physics of it revolves around not being able to extend the lower part of the leading leg, thereby creating too long of a sustained imbalance. It's almost like the prank of tying someone's shoes together when they're standing still; they don't need to get to running speed in order to trip and fall.

2.) There was no way for the escaping Rebels to be sure that the Empire wouldn't be building a perimeter around the entire planet when they were evacuating.

3.) If you watch the movie, you'll see that multiple probe droids were launched onto Hoth. It wasn't just one that then happened to land near the base; there were others that landed near nothing. Considering that ESB takes place 2 years after ANH, the Empire would have been looking for the Rebels that whole time. It's not like they hit paydirt with their first probe droid launch.

4.) Shaft doors would usually open where things would naturally settle (like Luke did). You wouldn't put a drain latch at the top of a pool; you'd put it at the bottom in order for gravity to do the work. As for how Luke survived, he had clearly learned telekinetic powers that could've been used to brace the impact of his fall. Rey can now levitate herself while also levitating rocks, so why not?

5.) Because Vader wasn't trying to kill Luke; he was merely trying to trap him. Luke was fighting for his life against a superior opponent, and was therefore like a cornered animal lashing out against someone who doesn't want to kill it. The animal has a better chance of inflicting damage than it would against a predator willing to strike with lethal intent.


ESB isn't a perfect movie in terms of plot logic, and no one was saying that a SW movie needs to be perfect. But you definitely don't need to turn your brain off to enjoy ESB; not by a longshot. In fact, ESB is a more enjoyable viewing experience when you engage with it cognitively rather than just reflexively. That's because ESB has substance to it, just like all great films do (and *should*).

One of the plot logic problems in ESB would only exist for me if it had to exist in the context of TROS. Why didn't Vader use the Force to pull the Falcon down as it was leaving Hoth? That wasn't a problem before because we reasonably presumed that stopping an accelerating starship with the Force would be absurd. Not anymore; Rey and Kylo can *both* do it.

I suppose that a movie can still be enjoyed if you have to turn off your brain to do so. But it goes too far if someone has to completely unplug the brain for fear that even in "standby mode" it would start sounding alarm bells at every turn. I don't know how any movie can be enjoyable at that point.

I am aware of most of it. My point is there is no perfect movie. BTW, it's still less of a chance for 2 or 3 probe droids to detect rebel base. Imagine sending 3 probes to earth and finding Eiffel tower.
Decreasing the speed of fall is reasonable but just an educated guess for me. There's nothing to confirm it. Remember, Palps could not manage to stop his fall.
As a result, sure TROS has more shortcomings than ESB, but for most (not all) one can make his/her own interpretation. It's not a masterpiece, but not a disaster either.

And merry Christmas.
 
I?m not sure you have the high ground on that one buddy. :lol

Merry Christmas! :duff

And Merry Christmas Snikt, wherever or whoever you are!

His MO is accusing others of exactly what he’s guilty of. In this case, posting on a toy forum that people here must have no gifts to open because they’re posting on a toy forum. See the irony? :lol

Merry Christmas! :duff
 
His MO is accusing others of exactly what he?s guilty of. In this case, posting on a toy forum that people here must have no gifts to open because they?re posting on a toy forum. See the irony? :lol

Merry Christmas! :duff

I?m not accusing others tho. It was a joke you idiot. You prove everyday you take the internet to serious. Open your damn gifts and stop being a baby. Didn?t say there was anything wrong with being here
 
BTW, it's still less of a chance for 2 or 3 probe droids to detect rebel base. Imagine sending 3 probes to earth and finding Eiffel tower.

That would probably be pretty easy. I mean, we have satellites in space that take all sorts of pictures, I mean, look at Google maps. The idea that in a sci-fi movie, it would be challenging for a handful of space robots to find a giant shield generator, when they were sent/programmed with the explicit purpose of finding a large group of Rebels. I'm sure it's programmed with criteria to seek out.

I disagree with the premise of your nit.
 
I?m not accusing others tho. It was a joke you idiot. You prove everyday you take the internet to serious. Open your damn gifts and stop being a baby. Didn?t say there was anything wrong with being here

You don’t think I was joking, chump? Jeez, stop being so overly emotional and sensitive. You’re such a snowflake. :lol

And still no Christmas wishes from you after I wished you a Merry Christmas two days ago? Aren’t you in the Christmas spirit?
 
You don?t think I was joking, chump? Jeez, stop being so overly emotional and sensitive. You?re such a snowflake. :lol

And still no Christmas wishes from you after I wished you a Merry Christmas two days ago? Aren?t you in the Christmas spirit?

Lol merry Christmas
 
Sorry, I didn't see a single orbital satellite in any SW. And that probe droid's finding was plain old optical image, not a sophisticated electronic signature or anything else.
 
While I can?t stand RJ hostile, disgusting and disrespectful persona towards the fans who put food on his table I would argue that some of the narrative structure he added onto Luke, Rey, Kylo and the Sith Jedi order had more intricate layers than what we got even in Joker which was really just a simple examination of hallucinating male psychosis 101.

Ok Joker fanatics relax it?s still a very good movie lol

I?m actually shocked SHOCKED that JJ and his writing partner were able to build on that and create additional layers for the primary characters especially ESPECIALLY with that spectacular send off for Leia and how it brilliantly impacted Han and Kylo.

That powerful Leia send off with Kylo honoring both of his parents sacrifices is hands down one of the BEST moments in ALL OF SW and then when you add that amazing lightsaber battle leading up to that honestly it single handily saved this movie for me because it makes me forgive the fleet battle at the end and Palpatine losing too easily.

Rey?s flip over the crashing wave is just the crazy cherry on top of everything else lol

Leia send off was one of the primary critical points they had to get right and boy did they.

Luke, Han, Lando, Palpatine, Fan Service and Space Battle were the other 5 elements.

Luke was given enough of a correction to be given a pass

Han was pure perfection

Lando wasn?t tarnished so a pass.

Palpatine, Ian McDiarmid nuff said on the subject.

Fan service 50% good.

Space battle was a massive fail!

Yes TROS is so full of win I don't even mind enjoying the Space Battle as just wacky fun compared to outright excitement. Obviously a difficulty they faced was that unlike other big battles there wasn't a central focal point like the DS exhaust port, main reactor, Rebel Shield Generators, or Shield Gate that all of the action could continually escalate toward. It was more like ROTK's battle at the Black Gate where the heroes are just fighting all enemies at once while other characters end the war elsewhere.

The horse charge is one of the silliest things in the entire Saga but I can't help but smile when I think of it. Why would an army of horses charging a navigation tower be better than one single Y-Wing, lol. If people want to roast those tactics there's no way I can defend it but I like "they're initiating a ground attack," "then jam their speeders," "they aren't using speeders" and the visuals of the charge so I give it all a pass, lol.

And you're so right on JJ somehow not only "correcting" elements of TLJ but also validating and expanding on other aspects of it like the brilliant pay off of the Force Skype/water drops on Kylo's hand that we saw come to full fruition in this one.

One of the plot logic problems in ESB would only exist for me if it had to exist in the context of TROS. Why didn't Vader use the Force to pull the Falcon down as it was leaving Hoth? That wasn't a problem before because we reasonably presumed that stopping an accelerating starship with the Force would be absurd.

Speak for yourself because Vader not grabbing the Falcon was always a question mark for me on successive viewings of ESB especially in the very same film that Yoda speaks at length about the Force being equally capable of moving a starship as it was a small rock and that was decades before TROS. Rey and Kylo stopping the transport is a simple continuation of Yoda's teachings, not a contradiction at all.

"Then why didn't Vader stop the Falcon?" Well why didn't he stop Luke from falling off the gantry? Would you suggest that a single person falling would also have been too much of a strain? I would think not. In both instances Vader could presumably have used the Force to prevent characters from escaping and yet he didn't. Do I bring that up to say "see ESB is full of plot holes, any problem you have with TROS is the same as ESB." No, that is not my point. Because neither moment in ESB breaks the story in any way for me (and I suspect you as well) because I can simply assume that the escaping Falcon caught Vader off guard or he didn't fully process how it could be used as bait in that very instance and so didn't have the mental wherewithal to instantly concentrate on the Force.

Or if you do want to assume that Vader wanted the Falcon as bait right from the get go well we saw what happened to the Transport in TROS and obviously that wouldn't have been what Vader would want to risk doing to the Falcon.
 
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