Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Took a breather from this thread and won't be writing anymore ST screeds, but I couldn't help but take a peek today.

This comment rings deeply true.

Sometimes being a Star Wars fan is like being in an abusive relationship. The object of your misplaced affection gaslights you and insults you daily, but you jump through ever more convoluted hoops to justify your own presence and those fleeting hits of dopamine.

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Okay that was dark. :rotfl

Star Wars fans have been filling holes since day one. It's just that since the 90's so much back story and 'splaining has been spoon fed by fanfiction (yeah I went there) EU stories that now unless something is fully explained immediately it's all pitch forks and torches.

I'm happy to go back to the old days of filling in the blanks with my imagination based off small clues and hints and debating those theories with liked (open) minded friends to see where they go. That's what fed my love of star wars for decades and I embrace it.
 
Star Wars fans have been filling holes since day one. It's just that since the 90's so much back story and 'splaining has been spoon fed by fanfiction (yeah I went there) EU stories that now unless something is fully explained immediately it's all pitch forks and torches.

I'm happy to go back to the old days of filling in the blanks with my imagination based off small clues and hints and debating those theories with liked (open) minded friends to see where they go. That's what fed my love of star wars for decades and I embrace it.

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:clap :D

Yes I do remember fondly the days where just thinking about movies and entertaining different interpretations was valued and not written off as the mental gymnastics of a sad and battered housewife. ;)
 
Star Wars fans have been filling holes since day one.

Of course. Since we were kids trading cards.

It's just that since the 90's so much back story and 'splaining has been spoon fed by fanfiction (yeah I went there) EU stories that now unless something is fully explained immediately it's all pitch forks and torches.

I have close to zero experience with EU so I can't present an informed opinion on that, but I think for me I'm just older now and there are things I don't forgive as easily from my multi-million dollar blockbuster entertainment. Granted, it's arbitrary enough outside of established conventions.


I'm happy to go back to the old days of filling in the blanks with my imagination based off small clues and hints and debating those theories with liked (open) minded friends to see where they go. That's what fed my love of star wars for decades and I embrace it.

Fair. :lecture

Yes I do remember fondly the days where just thinking about movies and entertaining different interpretations was valued and not written off as the mental gymnastics of a sad and battered housewife. ;)

ZOMG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ASSUMED IT WAS A SAD HOUSEWIFE I''M SO OFFENDED YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!!1!! :panic: :mad:

But now that we've got my personal offense out of the way, Khev...this is the gray area wherein Star Wars fans reside. The line for "things left unsaid" vs. "lazy writing" aren't the same for everyone. I guess we're doomed. :lecture
 
But now that we've got my personal offense out of the way, Khev...this is the gray area wherein Star Wars fans reside. The line for "things left unsaid" vs. "lazy writing" aren't the same for everyone. I guess we're doomed. :lecture

Yep, that really is where the common ground is determined isn't it. Along with personal preferences as to where each person wants the story to go, what they'll accept, and what's a straight dealbreaker.
 
You guys are doing all of JJ's hard thinking for him.

If everything is open to interpretation/explanation can I decide Rey isn't really a Palpatine?

I’ve already deduced that Luke didn’t die in TLJ. It was a clone put in place by Palpatine to misdirect Rey and offer tasty Porgs to Chewie.
 
Star Wars fans have been filling holes since day one. It's just that since the 90's so much back story and 'splaining has been spoon fed by fanfiction (yeah I went there) EU stories that now unless something is fully explained immediately it's all pitch forks and torches.

I'm happy to go back to the old days of filling in the blanks with my imagination based off small clues and hints and debating those theories with liked (open) minded friends to see where they go. That's what fed my love of star wars for decades and I embrace it.

Bam! Said the same thing a few pages ago. Agree 100%


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:clap :D

Yes I do remember fondly the days where just thinking about movies and entertaining different interpretations was valued and not written off as the mental gymnastics of a sad and battered housewife. ;)

:lol :lol :lol



Every single person I know at work and in my personal life that has seen this film have enjoyed it... I am starting to think the haters on Rotten Tomatoes / YouTube / and even on here are Russian Bots ;) ;) ;) :lol
 
[...]Every single person I know at work and in my personal life that has seen this film have enjoyed it... I am starting to think the haters on Rotten Tomatoes / YouTube / and even on here are Russian Bots ;) ;) ;) :lol

Hey man, I said outside of the context of the ST I at least found it entertaining. :lecture

And I am definitely*not*"BASE_URI":"https://#####abc.ngrok.io""MICROSOFT_APP_ID":"88888888-8888-8888-8888-888888888888""MICROSOFT_APP_PASSWORD": "aaaa22229999dddd0000999" a bot!
 
I don’t think we do. That was just that other guys idea.

I think it’s like Russian dolls nested in each other. Snokes, Palpatines, other sith are meat puppets. The real evil exists beyond the reach of the Jedi and the sith, in reality beyond midiclorians. The galaxy is only a dream another is having with itself, it’s good half versus evil half. But even that is a consciousness puppet of deeper one that imagine such a thing as good and such a thing as evil.
 
:lol :lol

Where was Jake Lloyd's voice at the end?

"You can do it Rey."

"These are your final steps."

"A thousand generations are now in you."

"Are you an angel?"

"Anakin no!"

lol
 
I guess one person's fun theorizing is another's hurt brain. :D

To me the whole trilogy really does work out now.

1. Rey is a Palpatine unceremoniously disposed on Jakku by her parents to get her as far off the Emperor's radar as possible. Circumstances were so dire that they could guarantee very little of her safety beyond simply hiding her away.

2. Palps wanted a new Force sensitive body where he could transfer his consciousness and power of all the Sith but he couldn't find Rey so used a created proxy (Snoke) as a placeholder figure head of his new Empire with Ben Solo serving double duty as his main henchman and also sweet revenge by corrupting the family of his hated enemies. Since Snoke was just a puppet the "only two" rule of murdering your master and then being possessed by their spirit didn't apply.

3. Palps possibly created Starkiller Base as a red herring to divert all Republic/Resistance/Jedi attention to a single place far from his new super fleet and body. He may have even anticipated it being destroyed just so that he could laugh when he then obliterates hundreds of Star Systems at once while the Rebels are celebrating.

4. Once Palps (as Snoke) learned of Rey he fell into his usual routine of playing both sides against each other and instructing one side (Kylo) to kill the other (Rey.) This was for his own amusement but also as a test to see who would win or whether they'd join together. If they join then he can suck their power and essentially restore his own body (which obviously ended up happening) and if one kills the other then he just takes the body of the winner.

5. His downfall of course is that once he was fully restored it then became a straight power vs. power fight of all the Jedi vs. all the Sith that ended in a stalemate with both Palps and Rey killing each other.

6. Both dead, Palps is gone for good while Rey gets restored by Ben who transfers his life and takes her place in death.

The specifics of Palpatine's Sith magic that allowed him to live on and return are of course not fully spelled out (other than it being an "unnatural" process) but I'm okay with it. I guess I like the double layer approach where on the surface it's just a straight story about a small group of good guys who must overcome the manipulative sorcerer overlord (which I know general audiences are fine with and couldn't care less about any specifics beyond that) while us old school crazies can speculate and connect dots as to what was "really" going on with a couple of those key scenarios. That's all part of the fun for me (in case you hadn't noticed, lol) and I really do think that they did an admirable job of providing a strong enough through line that does seem to be for the most part logical and internally consistent.

Everyone's mileage will vary on that of course.

We had like 7 1/2 hours of material for the trilogy and they spent maybe 20 mins of it on the actual plot... It's so stupid... So glad this Trilogy is over and I can now pretend it never happened... (cue music from Dallas)
 
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