Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Wor-Gar]

You're just ticked off you didn't have the super alloy shield under your shirt that is impervious to bullets, AND a rail gun. You just didn't plan ahead going into battle with such well-thought-out powers. This is why Batman will always beat you, and he would have taken down Palps much quicker.

Some times those war games got pretty silly with everyone trying to top the last guy's "impervious" excuse for survival... kind of like this movie.

I agree about the EG assessment too. IW will always be superior and will be remembered as the better movie.

 

[a-dev]

All three of my brothers are barely aware a SW movie has even come out.

At the big Xmas gathering I had to try to discuss it with nieces and nephews, who weren't all that interested either.

I'm a "unique" individual in my family it seems.

I also have 3 brothers. The youngest thinks it's ***t. They are not as forgiving as I am.

If I had to pick my favorite "thing that bothered me" it was Palps super-charged Force lightning. And there was no shortage of choices.

I mean, Palps force-lightning used to just bounce people around like Gozer's lightning... but now suddenly its like a Death Star ray. And people justify it by saying he has all the ancient Sith in him.

The end of the movie comes across like playing a fantasy game with a child -- one who keeps losing and has to quickly invent incredible but poorly-thought-out powers to try and top you. You know, like when you used to play war, and the kid you just shot dead to rights suddenly says "no, I have a super alloy shield under my shirt that is impervious to bullets, AND my rifle is actually a rail gun so you and your entire army are now dead". What!? That pretty much kills the game, time for lunch.

Very much looking forward to your review even if you already know all the spoilers in advance.

Thanks Khev. Though I don't really do reviews as such - I will provide disorganized and incoherent thoughts most likely.

I still haven't seen Dark Fate incidentally - though I watched the end-battle on youtube.

 

[Otomofan]

Gee, why does Otomofan have a hard time making friends?

Seriously though, what’s the most believable thing you’ve seen in a SW film?

All right. I'll ask very politely this time. Would you please stop harassing me? I don't appreciate it.

 

[SilverStar17]

All right. I'll ask very politely this time. Would you please stop harassing me? I don't appreciate it.

How exactly is asking you a SW related question in a SW related thread harassing you?

 

[momaw]

I actually never saw Endgame until I got a screener disc a few weeks ago and finally watched it. I have almost zero interest in MCU and really thought EG was pretty universally loved (in that massive BO = universally loved way .) When it seemed a little silly, I thought it was just me not "getting" it. I have a close friend who is on the poster for Endgame so I won't say anything more about it.

I get the DS1 comparison, but it is singular - a battle station. Exogol is so many things all rolled into one - it's the fruit salad of SW places. I can actually believe the DS1 could have been built in secret - I mean the Manhattan project (one of the most secret projects of WWII) employed 130,000 people. All the DS1 is is a massive engineering challenge on a tight timeline.

Exogol is like the DS1 (complete with 250k regular joes) literally situated in Biblical hell complete with chanting demons, with a cloning lab and thousands of scientists thrown in for good measure - all run by an entity that nobody knows for sure is alive and is possibly even spectral.

And Kamino was simply outside the galaxy, just as there are tons of known objects outside our Milky Way galaxy. That doesn't mean it's supernatural or anything. I was unclear on what the "unknown regions" meant in TROS - other than space that hadn't been mapped. It seemed more like the hell thing in Event Horizon was the intention (which frankly is a pretty silly movie) than just "this is off the beaten track."

And on that underwater x-wing on Ach-to. I mean there was so many people on here that were like "duh, it's underwater and the wings are missing, dummy - of course it's a wreck!" then there's Rey with the helmet on, flying a million miles and transmitting like the craft was delivered yesterday.

But isn't this all the level of justification we all make to accept something? Death Star 1 built and manned in secret = ok, Death Star 2 built and manned in secret = ok, Starkiller base built and manned in secret =ok (yeah I expect pushback on this one cause it's ST) but Fleet of Star Destroyers built and manned in secret = no way?

And Kimino was wiped from the republics data base. It wasn't that it was out of the way, it was specifically scrubbed to keep it a secret, like Exogol.

Now I'm not trying to change your mind or say you are wrong, but this stuff is not without precedent. And the law of Hollywood makes it that every new version has to have bigger stakes and be more powerful than the last. The reason why Endgame and the whole MCU is now garbage. They had to find an excuse to keep Capt Marvel out of Endgame and solo movies are rendered pointless by, where is X, they would finish this in 30 seconds flat (sorry to drag MCU into this, but it seems to be getting a pass by most where the level of logic being applied to this franchise would sink that one quicker than an iceberg).

 

[momaw]

Some times those war games got pretty silly with everyone trying to top the last guy's "impervious" excuse for survival... kind of like this movie.

I agree about the EG assessment too. IW will always be superior and will be remembered as the better movie.

Totally agree on IW. I thought it was a great set up.

 

[Otomofan]

How exactly is asking you a SW related question in a SW related thread harassing you?

Look. I'm done with you. You're on permanent ignore and I've reported your harassment. Leave me alone.

 

[SilverStar17]

Look. I'm done with you. You're on permanent ignore and I've reported your harassment. Leave me alone.

Well, do what you feel you have to do then over an innocuous SW question. I didn’t realize pointing out that Yoda lifted a spaceship out of the water is considered “harassment.”

 

[a-dev]

I think the difference with the DS I and II is that they were the Empire, they were the power in the galaxy - secret or not, they only had the rebel alliance to challenge them anyway.

The First Order was not yet the dominant power and yet managed to build a superweapon far larger and more devastating than anything the Galactic Empire made at its very pinnacle.

 

[TaliBane]

I actually picture that Empress Rey would be like Satan in The Passion of the Christ. Creepy androgynous "being" played by a woman with a man's voice.

And maybe Palpatine would only live as "Empress" until giving birth to himself, lol.

Daisy is so golly-gosh and edge-less though. I really think her in that role would have been a bit chuckle-inducing. Writhing and hissing with yellow eyes on the throne. I'd love to see her toying with Ben in that get-up - "I want my baby-back, baby-back - in my belly!".

Yep I would say that the Palps in TROS is the same "person" we saw in the OT and PT but just in a newly (albeit crudely) constructed body. In my head canon I'd say that transferring a previous consciousness into a new body requires a much different process than the traditional Kamino way and that the machine holding the partial scarecrow body was all wrapped into that somehow.

Oh wait - so you mean a cloned body, not the same person we saw in ROTJ? What I thought you meant is ROTJ Palps falls down the shaft, somehow survives (using Sithy powers or whatever) but is severely damaged/injured and what's left of his body 35 years later is what we see in TROS. And that decayed state is the reason he needs a new pied a-terre.

The clone things gets kinda complicated because in many sci-fi movies a "clone" means a replication of the original person, complete with some altered version of their persona included (like clones aren't usually empty vessels - that more of a body swap movie convention). There's all kinds of variants on it though.

It's just a bit weird that they seem to have no problem getting Snokes off the production line with ten fingers and toes many years ago but Palps himself is like the baby doll head from Toy Story hanging in an empty robe on a robot-arm coat hangar. He's like a black sock on a clothes line.

 

[Khev]

While I have no problem with the armies or Force powers used in TROS I do think that at this point they've left themselves with no feasible course but to permanently end the Saga (not just the Skywalkers) with regard to any further advancement of the timeline.

Once you show people neutralizing thousands of ships with their bare hands and the smallest of fighters following ships they're chasing through multiple hyperspace jumps you get to a point where the stories just keep getting crazier and crazier now that those particular cats are out of the bag.

 

[SilverStar17]

True. Though most of those feats have already somewhat been cultivated in previous installments. Sans Leia’s spacewalk.

But communing through the Force, lifting/moving spaceships, etc. I still get what you’re saying though. There’s pretty much no limit to what ability you can depict, and simply say “the Force” to explain it.

 

[Ropen]

I didn't make it straight through the camrip I downloaded. It was just pure trash, start to finish. It's more of a parody than Spaceballs.

But it doesn't bother me, cause I'm over it. Last Jedi still fills me with such anger cause it was so purposely offensive and went out of its way to destroy Luke Skywalker.

This movie is just a bad joke, like "Justice League." Just jaw-dropping that something so poorly thought out actually made it to screen, but it means nothing to me.

I know everyone's still excited to talk about it cause it's still brand new, but I wonder if we'll still be arguing about it a year from now?

I don't know....I can't take it seriously. It's a comedy. Rey grabs a ****ing spaceship out of the sky and pulls it down. That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a Star Wars movie. Unbelievable.

If it?s any consolation the writers of this movie did Justice League


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[Khev]

Daisy is so golly-gosh and edge-less though. I really think her in that role would have been a bit chuckle-inducing.

Yeah I picture her struggling to look convincingly "eeevil" the same way Elijah Wood never quite pulled it off when he was supposedly succumbing to the Ring. Thankfully she never really had to since it didn't fully play out on screen but I would still picture her as the Empress being cool.

Oh wait - so you mean a cloned body, not the same person we saw in ROTJ? What I thought you meant is ROTJ Palps falls down the shaft, somehow survives (using Sithy powers or whatever) but is severely damaged/injured and what's left of his body 35 years later is what we see in TROS. And that decayed state is the reason he needs a new pied a-terre.

I picture ROTJ Palps surviving yes, but in a similar way that Sauron or Voldemort "survived." So Palps gets thrown down the shaft, his body explodes (no remains) and his spirit or whatever you want to call it gets sucked into some contraption that then proceeds to grow a new body for his spirit and personality to once again inhabit. The reason that his TROS body was so effed up is on account of it being a brand new process, far from perfected, and that his own Sith magic (which took a toll on even his human body as his premature aging in the PT implied) was possibly working against the healthy growth of his new physical form.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I think the difference with the DS I and II is ...

ANH and ROTJ. Nuff said.

 

[Wor-Gar]

at this point they've left themselves with no feasible course but to permanently end the Saga ...

And yet, at this very moment, millions of dollars are being allocated to the expansion of the series... and the Future Trilogy (FT)... which will become known as the F--- This Trilogy.



And The Child will have grown into a full new character, Choada.

 

[SilverStar17]

I’d just call it the AT (another trilogy).

 

[a-dev]

I’d just call it the AT (another trilogy).

And after that the AT ST.

 

[Khev]

 

[momaw]

Bob Iger recently said they are going to move away from the trilogy format.