Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[SilverStar17]

And after that the AT ST.

 

[Khev]

Bob Iger recently said they are going to move away from the trilogy format.

Uh oh, I sense "phases" coming...

 

[a-dev]

While I have no problem with the armies or Force powers used in TROS I do think that at this point they've left themselves with no feasible course but to permanently end the Saga (not just the Skywalkers) with regard to any further advancement of the timeline.

Once you show people neutralizing thousands of ships with their bare hands and the smallest of fighters following ships they're chasing through multiple hyperspace jumps you get to a point where the stories just keep getting crazier and crazier now that those particular cats are out of the bag.

The classic fall of so many sequels in other words - upping the ante - escalation to a point of ultimate absurdity - mileage varying between individuals.

I think the reason I like Rogue One and Solo is they were bound by the OT in most regards whereas, with the ST, Abrams just went nuts with an anything goes attitude.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Bob Iger recently said they are going to move away from the trilogy format.

An admission of defeat.

 

[SilverStar17]

Rogue One is a peculiar film for me. Not in the sense that the film itself is peculiar, but in the sense that while I think it’s a good SW film, it’s not really one that I’d consider a go to SW film as I don’t find it overly entertaining and find it difficult to sit through with my undivided attention.

I’m not sure what it is. Perhaps the fact that it’s merely a one off and is essentially a SW film inside a SW film about characters I’ve never seen before and will never see again, or what. Like I said, it’s peculiar because I do think it’s a good film and enjoyed it when I saw it in theaters, but for some reason isn’t one I’d go back and watch over and over again.

 

[momaw]

An admission of defeat.

Or the (extremely) vocal minority being the reason we can't have nice things anymore.

But seriously, it's a shame if it goes that way. Not necessarily not having trilogies, but large form stories on film being told in the Star Wars universe over several films. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings. These large tentpole series make nice traditions to see as a group/family, to look forward to and then discuss afterwards. The standalone format with loose (and not so loose) ties of the MCU doesn't breed that same atmosphere.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Or the (extremely) vocal minority being the reason we can't have nice things anymore.

If the ST is an example of "nice things"... then I'm so done with nice things.

Star Wars shouldn't be a "tradition". That's the start of the problem right there.

 

[momaw]

If the ST is an example of "nice things"... then I'm so done with nice things.

Star Wars shouldn't be a "tradition". That's the start of the problem right there.

No, the problem is people telling others their enjoyment of something is wrong.

 

[Wor-Gar]

A tradition by definition is doing the same thing over and over. I don't want that.

And people have been giving their opinion since the beginning of time -- you shouldn't like that movie, you shouldn't drive that car, you shouldn't marry that woman, on and on. The internet just gives people a longer range to talk. There's a really simple way to avoid opinions -- avoid a forum that is designed to be where people come to give opinions.

 

[Asta]

LFL story group in action

 

[Wor-Gar]

That's horrible. Poor grandma.

 

[aussiebottt]

A tradition by definition is doing the same thing over and over. I don't want that.

And people have been giving their opinion since the beginning of time -- you shouldn't like that movie, you shouldn't drive that car, you shouldn't marry that woman, on and on. The internet just gives people a longer range to talk. There's a really simple way to avoid opinions -- avoid a forum that is designed to be where people come to give opinions.

Opinions are one thing but the amount of hyperbole that TROS haters come up with is ridiculous (posting pictures of 1000 monkeys at a typewriter and then comparing it to LFL story group for example). The ST wasn't that bad at all.

 

[tdk5]

liked this movie but the plot twists were way too convenient...TFA & TLJ both felt more coherent that TROS imo

Kylo who's been hell-bent on destroying the resistance since the beginning (knowing full well his parents are part of that) suddenly had a change of his heart when his mum reached out to him (why didn't he turn when he saw Leia's ship getting bombarded in TLJ) and...force ghosts appearing everywhere...and Rey's powers being the equal to a jedi master by the end of the film... just seemed like an overabundance of convenient shortcuts.

and i never realized rey had feelings for kyloben...till the ending in this film; it just seemed to appear out of nowhere.

all of these somehow reminds me of...bruce's martha moment in BvS (same writer i know )

 

[Asta]

and i never realized rey had feelings for kyloben...till the ending in this film; it just seemed to appear out of nowhere.

I think that was one of the least problematic parts of the film, since it was heavily alluded to in TLJ.

It's a bit of a Romeo and Juliet thing. Girl fancies boy from the wrong side, though she knows she shouldn't because of convention (and in this case the thing's Kylo's done).

It's a tragedy rather than a romance, of course.

"Thus with a kiss I die."

Rey died too, albeit briefly. But to tie up the loose ends she should really have killed herself with her lightsaber in grief, like Juliet with Romeo's dagger.

Disney pulled short of going full Shakespeare because there's still money to be made from Rey. She also represents the 'final girl' type in this horror movie.

 

[TaliBane]

Opinions are one thing but the amount of hyperbole that TROS haters come up with is ridiculous (posting pictures of 1000 monkeys at a typewriter and then comparing it to LFL story group for example). The ST wasn't that bad at all.

While the LFL story group is indeed a bunch of certified idiots, it's interesting that the TROS "haters" (such a lazy simpleton term) are coming from multiple angles.

The divide over TLJ was more clearly defined - somewhat in keeping with the identity politics tropes that dominated in 2017 (intolerant neckbeards vs diverse feminists etc) - whereas with TROS its multiple camps: broadly, those who were predisposed not to like TROS because it's part of the ST that damaged/mocked Luke and the OT (and fans) with the last film, then others who loved TLJ and consider TROS a step backward and worse, because TROS repeatedly disses/undoes TLJ, that it's somehow siding with the TLJ "haters."

So there seems to be some confusion over who is on whose side when it comes to the "great fan divide." And I find myself a little in the middle on this one, where I didn't expect to be just one week ago.

 

[aussiebottt]

While the LFL story group is indeed a bunch of certified idiots, it's interesting that the TROS "haters" (such a lazy simpleton term) are coming from multiple angles.

The divide over TLJ was more clearly defined - somewhat in keeping with the identity politics tropes that dominated in 2017 (intolerant neckbeards vs diverse feminists etc) - whereas with TROS its multiple camps: broadly, those who were predisposed not to like TROS because it's part of the ST that damaged/mocked Luke and the OT (and fans) with the last film, then others who loved TLJ and consider TROS a step backward and worse, because TROS repeatedly disses/undoes TLJ, that it's somehow siding with the TLJ "haters."

So there seems to be some confusion over who is on whose side when it comes to the "great fan divide." And I find myself a little in the middle on this one, where I didn't expect to be just one week ago.

Nothing lazy or simpleton about it. Some posters here are just spewing such bitter vitriol. There is no other term for it and there is no need for it.

 

[Prime Clone]

I've decided that for the Skywalker Saga not to be ruined *for me* I need to not think of it as the Skywalker Saga. Ergo...

PT: Anakin's story
OT: Luke's story
ST: Rey's story

 

[Username]

On another note this is incredible and even though this prediction came prior to the release of TLJ I find that it really solidifies the trilogy as a whole particularly with regard to Rey's lineage. Even if her being a Palpatine wasn't set in stone until TROS these connections made by this YouTuber really make it easy to rewatch TFA and TLJ as if she always was.



I remember prior to TLJ most of the theories were centered around Rey being most likely a Skywalker, Kenobi, or Palpatine and I find the latter to be by far the most interesting choice and am so glad they went that route in the end. That lineage alone explains so much and closes so many of the gaps of the entire ST up to now.

I loved that video. The musical evidence is quite compelling enough to say that this is what JJ intended all along. It will never happen, but if it would be great is someone could ask John Williams if that's true.

Even if that "wrecked x-wing" on Ach-to wasn't so wrecked after all. I wonder what RJ thought of that part (though I pointed out that the FX work seemed to revise that x-wing to look less wrecked than the artwork initially showed, so maybe RJ had a hand in making it "ambiguous" anyway.)

I have less of a problem with that than most, simply because the door of his hut could have simply been a "skin" of the wing. Even contemporary aircraft don't have solid wings. It's not inconcievable that one wing was relieved of it's outer skin to make his door. If closer inspection of the Red-5 flying scenes show the wings all to be intact, then it's just a continuity error.

You know I wouldn't be surprised if Abrams stole the Rey Palpatine idea from that one YouTuber but hell if I care since at all worked out sweet in the end, lol.

Maybe that is true. But as i said above, the musical cues for Rey's song being similar to Palpatine's dirge from ROTJ are quite compelling evidence.

 

[SvenDokki]

Opinions are one thing but the amount of hyperbole that TROS haters come up with is ridiculous (posting pictures of 1000 monkeys at a typewriter and then comparing it to LFL story group for example). The ST wasn't that bad at all.

I?ve cracked some jokes. It?s because I love Star Wars, and I hate to see how it?s been ruined.

By lack of planning. By politics. By bad writing.

So I let off steam.

You can weave all the fan theories you want. After a few thousand pages of mental gymnastics, you might even find a balance that justifies all of it for you.

But let?s face it, Star Wars and its fans IS a dysfunctional relationship. Some people will take anything George and now Disney dishes out, and justify it. That?s your choice.

It?s a horrible thing when you hate bad writing, hate bad endings, hate politics, and you love Star Wars.

That?s why I?m serious when I say the new ending of Star Wars for me is the epilogue I wrote pages and pages back. And just so there?s no question, it?s the 1977 version of those characters. The original is the most perfect Star Wars movie, and it is not perfect itself. But at least it was an amazing original.

I love all the other movies because I love Star Wars, but anyone not willing to admit they all have severe issues is either blind or in denial. Luke dreaming all the sequels is a way I can enjoy all of them and have a happy ending.

It’s my way of fixing Star Wars for myself, and it didn’t take thousands of pages of apologetics. It just took one little post.

 

[Asta]

It's a horrible thing when you hate bad writing, hate bad endings, hate politics, and you love Star Wars.

This is why we have...