Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[SilverStar17]

I recall earlier in the thread that someone mentioned the title of the film is ironic, being that it’s called “TRoS,” while it’s a Palpatine who actually is the one that rises up and makes it to the end.

I was thinking about this, and while I was perfectly fine with the ending, I think it wold have been a bit more dramatic and lent more to the title of the film if Palps did in fact kill Rey, but Ben is the one that climbed back up the rock (as he did) and picked up the Skywalker and Leia’s saber, and defeated Palps. It would have at least truly been Skywalker vs Palpatine again. Then you could have had Ben sacrifice himself to revive Rey. Or have Ben be the one that survived and he went into exile at the Lars Homestead.

Even though his character arc was a bit of a cliche and was similar to that of Vader’s in the OT, I think I found Kylo/Ben to be a bit more of an intriguing character than Rey in this trilogy.

But you know, agenda and stuff.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Opinions are one thing but the amount of hyperbole that TROS haters come up with is ridiculous (posting pictures of 1000 monkeys at a typewriter and then comparing it to LFL story group for example). The ST wasn't that bad at all.

Again, I think thats a matter of opinion. There's been a lot of very good arguments about what is wrong with TROS as much as what is right.

I think it has much more to do with some people just not being able to handle criticism very well about things hey like. Don't write off the opposition as "haters" or "lovers"... that really means nothing.

I've decided that for the Skywalker Saga not to be ruined *for me* I need to not think of it as the Skywalker Saga. Ergo...

PT: Anakin's story
OT: Luke's story
ST: Rey's story

I think this is the only (and best) way to view the "Saga".

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'm liking more and more the idea that all the Sith acolytes were actually Palpatine clones. Why not -- Imperial clones is not new. He spent years making an army of himself.

Maybe they are all clones of his son actually, but one son, like Finn, turned good and ran away when, like Anakin, he had a secret child (Rey).

This could explain a great many things.

 

[Khev]

I'm liking more and more the idea that all the Sith acolytes were actually Palpatine clones. Why not -- Imperial clones is not new. He spent years making an army of himself.

Maybe they are all clones of his son actually, but one son, like Finn, turned good and ran away when, like Anakin, he had a secret child (Rey).

This could explain a great many things.

Yet another fascinating take.

 

[jye4ever]

I'm liking more and more the idea that all the Sith acolytes were actually Palpatine clones. Why not -- Imperial clones is not new. He spent years making an army of himself.

Maybe they are all clones of his son actually, but one son, like Finn, turned good and ran away when, like Anakin, he had a secret child (Rey).

This could explain a great many things.

Yet another fascinating take.

Explains why they had their faces covered.


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[ajp4mgs]

If I had to pick my favorite "thing that bothered me" it was Palps super-charged Force lightning. And there was no shortage of choices.

I mean, Palps force-lightning used to just bounce people around like Gozer's lightning... but now suddenly its like a Death Star ray. And people justify it by saying he has all the ancient Sith in him.

The end of the movie comes across like playing a fantasy game with a child -- one who keeps losing and has to quickly invent incredible but poorly-thought-out powers to try and top you. You know, like when you used to play war, and the kid you just shot dead to rights suddenly says "no, I have a super alloy shield under my shirt that is impervious to bullets, AND my rifle is actually a rail gun so you and your entire army are now dead". What!? That pretty much kills the game, time for lunch.

I didn't think I'd ever see anything stupider (in terms of pure broken logic) in a SW movie than TFA's Starkiller magic beam of death that made an unimpeded straight line across the galaxy, and then split in five directions with pinpoint accuracy to destroy five planets. A beam that traveled a journey of multiple light years, yet somehow only took mere moments. And this *much-faster-than-light* streak could somehow be viewed from the ground with the naked eye. I really thought that'd be the pinnacle of absurdity. But JJ topped himself with the Palpatine lightning in TROS.

Not only did Palps sit on his throne and shoot lightning that stretched out for miles into an airspace crowded with ships from both the Resistance and his own Sith Fleet, but his lightning selectively targeted only the Resistance ships. When hitting the Resistance ships, the lightning fried their circuitry so as to cut the engines and cause the ships to start falling. Since they were still within the atmosphere of Exogol, those ships should've plummeted to the ground. But after not plummeting, and after what must've been several minutes, I'm pretty sure that their circuitry magically restarted.

To top it all off, Palpatine turned this incredible (and quasi-sentient) lightning power onto Rey. She blocked it. With a lightsaber.

I'm liking more and more the idea that all the Sith acolytes were actually Palpatine clones. Why not -- Imperial clones is not new. He spent years making an army of himself.

Maybe they are all clones of his son actually, but one son, like Finn, turned good and ran away when, like Anakin, he had a secret child (Rey).

This could explain a great many things.

It's too bad that Rey's dad didn't inherit any of Palpatine's powers. Rey seems to have inherited quite a bit (including an instinctual use of Force lightning). That sort of instinctual power surge would've been useful for her dad when he was apparently helpless to prevent the stabbing murder of himself and his wife. I guess inheriting Force powers is a complicated thing.

 

[Khev]

It should have been that crazy haired mechanic from Mando asking Rey her name at the end, lol.

 

[Sassafras]

This is why we have...

There's dozens of reviews pro and con, but will leave this one as it summarizes my frustration with
TROS. So much good and so much WTF for me.

https://www.austinchronicle.com/events/film/2019-12-20/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/

This line in particular:
Yes, everyone knows that the Skywalker saga has narrative gaps and leaps, but Lucas et al. always gave the viewers a launch pad, or at least little hints of clues, that allowed them to speculate without getting dragged into minutiae. Abrams ? and I do not say this lightly ? fundamentally does not seem to understand how storytelling works.

Then again, this movie will probably cross 1 billion global, so maybe a lot of folks don't care - 'coz it's got spectacle and Abrams definitely delivers on that score.

life goes on and it's just a flick but I can't help but wonder what could have been....

Yeah. 'Coz I still enjoy TFA e.g. the intro of new characters I liked. A new villain backed by amazing actor. Kylo's volatile personality. Finn. Great cast. Heck, I remember when the intro of BB-8 was a thing. Just that little clip of BB-8 rolling along had me hooked. Star Wars!!!!

 

[SvenDokki]

May the farce be with you!

 

[TaliBane]

Well of course he did all old ugly fat bald men with power and money get more girls than anyone else doesn?t mean the girls enjoy it they?re too busy fantasizing about their own ripped young boy toys they have on the side.




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Palpatine's Playboy Mansion: The Full Story

Available in both hard and soft covers.

His Sith Mansion days are legendary, though I'm not sure how any descendants could have been produced.

 

[TaliBane]

It's too bad that Rey's dad didn't inherit any of Palpatine's powers. Rey seems to have inherited quite a bit (including an instinctual use of Force lightning). That sort of instinctual power surge would've been useful for her dad when he was apparently helpless to prevent the stabbing murder of himself and his wife. I guess inheriting Force powers is a complicated thing.

The answer is simple - Scott Palpatine was too busy mocking his father's plans for Exogol.

"ONE MILLION star destroyers!"

This is what was supposed to happen on the Exogol throne in Palps' mind...

But this is how it ended up...

 

[sithocan]

Remember that miniature death star weapon was already developed by TLJ.

 

[jye4ever]

It should have been that crazy haired mechanic from Mando asking Rey her name at the end, lol.

Holy crap lol

Honestly I just don?t get it you?re being accused of using mental gymnastics by referencing the previous SW movies umm hello isn?t that what we?re supposed to do.

Sorry Khev you?re only allowed to use The Hunt for Red October and Halloween 1 as your reference point on TROS lol

Anyways i?m thinking Anakin certainly didn?t know that he would?ve had to sacrifice his own life to save Padme, Palpatine certainly wouldn?t have told him.

Pretty crazy when you start piecing it together.


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[Sassafras]

Or the (extremely) vocal minority being the reason we can't have nice things anymore.

But seriously, it's a shame if it goes that way. Not necessarily not having trilogies, but large form stories on film being told in the Star Wars universe over several films. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings. These large tentpole series make nice traditions to see as a group/family, to look forward to and then discuss afterwards. The standalone format with loose (and not so loose) ties of the MCU doesn't breed that same atmosphere.

IMO tho it all goes back to the writing tho. Potter, GOT, LOTR, Witcher, Dune, Tad Williams' Memory Sorrow and Thorn trilogy, the Coldfire trilogy etc....all capable authors who established worlds, characters. MCU was able to draw on comics and even folks like Brubaker and Stan Lee.

Sure Lucas is around, but by Disney he wasn't the showrunner. Think good points have been made in press that Disney didn't know what to do with their pricey toybox. They sure wanted to make their investment pay off tho. Unlike Amazon at the moment who seem to be willing (or at least have the deep pockets) to take some risks, like the upcoming LOTR series. Beloved property or not, past initial fandom could be a huge bomb.

Johnson DID take risks; splitting the fans, but IMO tho he did some interesting stuff there was also *&^% writing (Canto/Rose/Finn not using Phasma etc.) So IMO Disney is breathing a sigh of relief they'll at least cover costs re TROS (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/26/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-has-second-best-christmas-day-ever.html), but backing off 3-movie commitments. As long as they keep ditching existing SW material they COULD have drawn from. Disney made sure they wouldn't lose $$$ hiring Abrams u'd get safe spectacle.

 

[abake]

I recall earlier in the thread that someone mentioned the title of the film is ironic, being that it’s called “TRoS,” while it’s a Palpatine who actually is the one that rises up and makes it to the end.

I was thinking about this, and while I was perfectly fine with the ending, I think it wold have been a bit more dramatic and lent more to the title of the film if Palps did in fact kill Rey, but Ben is the one that climbed back up the rock (as he did) and picked up the Skywalker and Leia’s saber, and defeated Palps. It would have at least truly been Skywalker vs Palpatine again. Then you could have had Ben sacrifice himself to revive Rey. Or have Ben be the one that survived and he went into exile at the Lars Homestead.

Even though his character arc was a bit of a cliche and was similar to that of Vader’s in the OT, I think I found Kylo/Ben to be a bit more of an intriguing character than Rey in this trilogy.

But you know, agenda and stuff.

I'm fine with he title, because it is Ben who climbs up and saves Rey, ensuring that the legacy of the Jedi is not lost.

 

[abake]

I didn't think I'd ever see anything stupider (in terms of pure broken logic) in a SW movie than TFA's Starkiller magic beam of death that made an unimpeded straight line across the galaxy, and then split in five directions with pinpoint accuracy to destroy five planets. A beam that traveled a journey of multiple light years, yet somehow only took mere moments. And this *much-faster-than-light* streak could somehow be viewed from the ground with the naked eye. I really thought that'd be the pinnacle of absurdity. But JJ topped himself with the Palpatine lightning in TROS.

Not only did Palps sit on his throne and shoot lightning that stretched out for miles into an airspace crowded with ships from both the Resistance and his own Sith Fleet, but his lightning selectively targeted only the Resistance ships. When hitting the Resistance ships, the lightning fried their circuitry so as to cut the engines and cause the ships to start falling. Since they were still within the atmosphere of Exogol, those ships should've plummeted to the ground. But after not plummeting, and after what must've been several minutes, I'm pretty sure that their circuitry magically restarted.

To top it all off, Palpatine turned this incredible (and quasi-sentient) lightning power onto Rey. She blocked it. With a lightsaber.



It's too bad that Rey's dad didn't inherit any of Palpatine's powers. Rey seems to have inherited quite a bit (including an instinctual use of Force lightning). That sort of instinctual power surge would've been useful for her dad when he was apparently helpless to prevent the stabbing murder of himself and his wife. I guess inheriting Force powers is a complicated thing.

Oddly enough, I had no problem with Palpatine's super-lightning...
The way I see it, he's in a superconductor type of environment, where all the Sith energy flows towards and through him. As for it targeting only the Resistance ships, well, why not? The Sith lightning always seemed to be fairly well-directed. And regarding Rey being able to stop it with her light saber, well 1. I doubt Palpatine released the same amount of energy within the structure 2. light sabres have always been able to attract/absorb Sith lightning 3. Rey is especially powerful and a Palpatine with Sith powers as well as a trained Jedi... so yeah, no problems with any of that.

 

[spindrift]

She did. TLJ has a shot of her looking into the water where it's clearly visible. Whether fighters can be sunk in water for that long - well, whatever. Maybe it's not like Earth water and electronics etc. don't get fried. Or maybe Luke fixes it as it floats up. Except wasn't Luke's door the door from the fighter and Chewie blew that off...

What am I thinking, Palps had all those ships under water - so yeah, that's canon in SW. I guess.

Don't forget JJ likes to raise ships out of the water. See Star Trek Into Darkness flick....forgot about that. Yeah I forgot about her seeing it- she must have ,too

 

[ajp4mgs]

The answer is simple - Scott Palpatine was too busy mocking his father's plans for Exogol.

"ONE MILLION star destroyers!"

This is what was supposed to happen on the Exogol throne in Palps' mind...

But this is how it ended up...

Rey has Palps' powers, but . . .

Oddly enough, I had no problem with Palpatine's super-lightning...
The way I see it, he's in a superconductor type of environment, where all the Sith energy flows towards and through him. As for it targeting only the Resistance ships, well, why not? The Sith lightning always seemed to be fairly well-directed. And regarding Rey being able to stop it with her light saber, well 1. I doubt Palpatine released the same amount of energy within the structure 2. light sabres have always been able to attract/absorb Sith lightning 3. Rey is especially powerful and a Palpatine with Sith powers as well as a trained Jedi... so yeah, no problems with any of that.

It never ceases to fascinate me how wide the range of subjectivity can be when it comes to what's acceptable and what isn't in these movies. I suppose it just makes for more interesting discussion.

When I watched Palpatine shoot miles of lightning into the sky to disable an entire fleet of ships, the thought of "well, why not" was one of the furthest things from my mind.

 

[xipotec]

Rey has Palps' powers, but . . .

It never ceases to fascinate me how wide the range of subjectivity can be when it comes to what's acceptable and what isn't in these movies. I suppose it just makes for more interesting discussion.

When I watched Palpatine shoot miles of lightning into the sky to disable an entire fleet of ships, the thought of "well, why not" was one of the furthest things from my mind.

This was actually mu biggest gripe of the film.

It was uneeded display of power. And people called Rey an over powered character.

I can accept the notion that they were both over powered due to the influence of the generations past, but they should have done a better job showing that was what was going on.



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[dan350zr]

This was actually mu biggest gripe of the film.

It was uneeded display of power. And people called Rey an over powered character.

I can accept the notion that they were both over powered due to the influence of the generations past, but they should have done a better job showing that was what was going on.



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It's all nonsense, none of these powers where shown in previous trilogies, Otherwise Yoda and Obi-Wan could of juiced up Luke to kill Vader in Empire Strikes Back or even the Emperor in Return of the Jedi, hell Force Ghosts can interact in the real world (according to Johnson and Abrams) so Yoda shold of been able to fry the Emperors *** without the emperor seeing it coming... these over the top force powers are only used when it's convient for the story otherwise they don't exist and their hoping audiences are too dumb to notice it...