Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Rey has Palps' powers, but . . .

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It never ceases to fascinate me how wide the range of subjectivity can be when it comes to what's acceptable and what isn't in these movies. I suppose it just makes for more interesting discussion.

When I watched Palpatine shoot miles of lightning into the sky to disable an entire fleet of ships, the thought of "well, why not" was one of the furthest things from my mind. :lol

Yeah, in the end, it all has to do with how much you're enjoying the movie and how well it manages to put you into "suspension of disbelief" mode. However, discussing it, I still find I can easily explain it in my head, so I'm fine with it.
Of course, for me the whole ST is a bit bollocks anyway, so as long as I find the story entertaining, I can go with it. I mean, as derivative and pedestrian in its ideas as TFA was, I could go with it, it was really TLJ that was pretty much unacceptable to me. Now with TROS I can just enjoy the movie, and I found some surprisingly emotional moments that really worked for me.
Do I think it's a fitting end to the Saga? Not really. Am I ok with how it destroys everything Anakin and Luke went through in the first six movies? Not really. But all that went out the window the moment TFA set up another "rebels vs. empire" story. Is it stupid that Palpatine is back? Of course it is. But so is that the entire meaning of Anakin's struggle and redemption were meaningless.
But... it's what we got. And TROS is a far more entertaining movie than TLJ could ever hope to be. I dare say it's better written, better directed and better acted. And that is all I could hope for.
TFA was just a nostalgia trip with too many nods to the OT with very little imagination, but it managed to set up interesting characters.
TLJ tried to be clever, and although it posed interesting ideas, it did so with the finesse and intelligence of an angry hippopotamus, and completely disregarded character development, story and cohesive development of what came before.
TROS spent half its time being episode VIII and the other half rushing to be episode XI, but this time it fleshed out the characters, made them relatable and likeable again, and managed to build on some of the ideas of VII and VIII. So, in my book, it's quite successful as closure to this particularly flawed trilogy.
 
Holy crap lol

Honestly I just don?t get it you?re being accused of using mental gymnastics by referencing the previous SW movies umm hello isn?t that what we?re supposed to do.

Sorry Khev you?re only allowed to use The Hunt for Red October and Halloween 1 as your reference point on TROS lol

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It's all nonsense, none of these powers where shown in previous trilogies, Otherwise Yoda and Obi-Wan could of juiced up Luke to kill Vader in Empire Strikes Back or even the Emperor in Return of the Jedi, hell Force Ghosts can interact in the real world (according to Johnson and Abrams) so Yoda shold of been able to fry the Emperors *** without the emperor seeing it coming... these over the top force powers are only used when it's convient for the story otherwise they don't exist and their hoping audiences are too dumb to notice it...

I bet the ghost of Obi Wan feels like a real horse's ***, could have easily just have brought Qui Gon back had he not skipped force healing day. Must be real awkward at force ghost dinner time.
 
Holy crap lol

Honestly I just don?t get it you?re being accused of using mental gymnastics by referencing the previous SW movies umm hello isn?t that what we?re supposed to do.

Sorry Khev you?re only allowed to use The Hunt for Red October and Halloween 1 as your reference point on TROS lol

Anyways i?m thinking Anakin certainly didn?t know that he would?ve had to sacrifice his own life to save Padme, Palpatine certainly wouldn?t have told him.

Pretty crazy when you start piecing it together.


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Taking a comparison to the extreme points of ridiculousness is also a prime example of the mental gymnastics required to come to the conclusion that this movie was somehow foreshadowed by what came before.

I do enjoy the banter in this thread though :hi5:.
 
I don't understand how anyone could claim to be a diehard OT fan and be cool with the ST undoing and disrespecting basically everything.

Talibane said it best when he compared it to strip mining the OT for nostalgia/money/agenda.
 
It's all nonsense, none of these powers where shown in previous trilogies, Otherwise Yoda and Obi-Wan could of juiced up Luke to kill Vader in Empire Strikes Back or even the Emperor in Return of the Jedi, hell Force Ghosts can interact in the real world (according to Johnson and Abrams) so Yoda shold of been able to fry the Emperors *** without the emperor seeing it coming... these over the top force powers are only used when it's convient for the story otherwise they don't exist and their hoping audiences are too dumb to notice it...

Oh I do not have an issue with new powers as all. Its just that they didnt really explain why he suddenly got so powerful ......

I can accept that they could do that with enough powers behind them, it just was not clearly shown.

He tosses Mace pretty hard after Anakin turns, and in that scene I always took it as he was sapping Anakins powers once he became his apprentice.
So if he had access to all those sith Acolytes then it would make sense, I just wish they showed it better.




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Disney: "We've erased the entire EU! Palps cloning himself after ROTJ is no longer canon!"

Deedzy:

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JJ Abrams: "I'm bringing back Dark Empire! Palps cloning himself after ROTJ is once again canon!"

Deedzy:

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I kid, I kid... ;)
 
Disney: "We've erased the entire EU! Palps cloning himself after ROTJ is no longer canon!"

Deedzy:

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JJ Abrams: "I'm bringing back Dark Empire! Palps cloning himself after ROTJ is once again canon!"

Deedzy:

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I kid, I kid... ;)

Hahaha for what it's worth whilst I enjoyed the dark empire series back in the day I do remember thinking that it was a load of bollocks :lol.

Apart from the Eclipse star destroyer, that was cool.
 
I bet the ghost of Obi Wan feels like a real horse's ***, could have easily just have brought Qui Gon back had he not skipped force healing day. Must be real awkward at force ghost dinner time.

It gets plenty awkward when Force ghost Ben Solo is bragging to his ghost grandfather about that resurrection sacrifice he made. "Oh yeah, it was soooo easy. It just came to me like instinct. No problem." Force ghost Anakin was in the middle of passing his special-recipe "Padme pumpkin pie" around the table at the time.

Meanwhile, Mace Windu is heard complaining about having to sit at the little "disembodied voice" table with Ahsoka and Qui-Gon as the actual bodied ghosts just laugh.

Food fights are epic at those dinners, though.
 
I bet the ghost of Obi Wan feels like a real horse's ***, could have easily just have brought Qui Gon back had he not skipped force healing day. Must be real awkward at force ghost dinner time.

Actually, the way I understood it, is that the "force healing" and "bringing back from the dead" were two different things... the latter being one of the "unnatural" things Jedi didn't teach. At any rate, Obi Wan was a Padawan when Qui Gon died, so even if Force healing was a thing back then, there's no knowing whether he could've mastered it. As for baby Yoda in the Mandalorian, well, he seems to be a special child, doesn't he? Just like Rey and Ben Solo.
 
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