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Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
Interesting. I can get behind this. Although I would have liked Johnson. I can imagine that Abrams will do a good ending to this trilogy, and he gets to control. Shows he can play ball with suits and still pump something watchable.
Interesting. I can get behind this. Although I would have liked Johnson. I can imagine that Abrams will do a good ending to this trilogy, and he gets to control. Shows he can play ball with suits and still pump something watchable.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
Great news. I was hoping it would be JJ or Rian again.
I'm also certain JJ will have heard all the bitching about TFA and will adjust accordingly. I'm only sorry they didn't bring Kasdan back to write, but I realize it's getting down to the wire now.
Great news. I was hoping it would be JJ or Rian again.
I'm also certain JJ will have heard all the bitching about TFA and will adjust accordingly. I'm only sorry they didn't bring Kasdan back to write, but I realize it's getting down to the wire now.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
Yep, is good news. Good thing it isn't Trank, Besson, or Ritchie. Or a ton of other directers.
Yep, is good news. Good thing it isn't Trank, Besson, or Ritchie. Or a ton of other directers.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
JJ has the experience now. TFA was well liked and he has heard enough of the backlash to not make the same mistakes.
JJ has the experience now. TFA was well liked and he has heard enough of the backlash to not make the same mistakes.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
I feel optimistic about Ep IX as Abrams generally does good work. I've never hated anything he's done and enjoyed Ep VII (even though it was similar to IV)
I feel optimistic about Ep IX as Abrams generally does good work. I've never hated anything he's done and enjoyed Ep VII (even though it was similar to IV)
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
I hope he borrows ideas from the original, darker ending of RotJ.
Finn dies mid-film during a raid on a First Order base. The resistance forces in tatters, Rey walking off alone like “like Clint Eastwood in the spaghetti westerns” and Poe grappling with his new duties as a drag queen.
I hope he borrows ideas from the original, darker ending of RotJ.
Finn dies mid-film during a raid on a First Order base. The resistance forces in tatters, Rey walking off alone like “like Clint Eastwood in the spaghetti westerns” and Poe grappling with his new duties as a drag queen.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
JJ is like a little conglomerate all his own. He's about as "auteur" as Brett Ratner. And he's never managed a satisfactory finale to anything -- Alias, Lost, MI3, Star Trek, etc. He'll deliver a solid movie, yes, but far from innovative or creative.
JJ will delivery the ultimate mild family adventure -- but I think Star Wars is destined for that lot for eternity no matter who gets it. It is what it is at this point.
JJ is like a little conglomerate all his own. He's about as "auteur" as Brett Ratner. And he's never managed a satisfactory finale to anything -- Alias, Lost, MI3, Star Trek, etc. He'll deliver a solid movie, yes, but far from innovative or creative.
JJ will delivery the ultimate mild family adventure -- but I think Star Wars is destined for that lot for eternity no matter who gets it. It is what it is at this point.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
Because Abrams has been working in Hollywood since his early 20s. The guy has close to 3 decades of work and clout, rebooted or relaunched three successful franchises and has produced, written, and directed a handful of number one TV shows. Colin, while I love Jurassic World, has only made two movies. There really is no comparison between JJ and Colin.
Because Abrams has been working in Hollywood since his early 20s. The guy has close to 3 decades of work and clout, rebooted or relaunched three successful franchises and has produced, written, and directed a handful of number one TV shows. Colin, while I love Jurassic World, has only made two movies. There really is no comparison between JJ and Colin.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
Sure, JJ isn't an Aronofsky or a Fincher - or a Johnson for that matter. But he's a damn good filmmaker specially when delving into Sci-Fi/Action. STID is an incredibly underrated movie with some of the best Sci-Fi/Action I've seen in years. What makes JJ such a convincing storyteller is that he doesn't play it safe. While some people were annoyed by the parallels between TFA & ANH, the amount of risks he takes in that movie completely overshadow said parallels.
-The hero of the piece is missing. He tells us this one minute into the movie and keeps the hero hidden until the last minute. To do that with LUKE SKYWALKER takes big ****ing balls. JJ does it beautifully.
-The villain isn't really a villain. He's a chaotic enigma and a completely unpredictable force. From the moment you meet Kylo Ren you have absolutely no way of figuring him out.
-Rey's journey is not the hero's journey. Everyone likes to say Rey is TFA's Luke but she really isn't. Luke's journey is very much the hero's journey. He goes from awkward moisture farmer to driven Jedi apprentice. Rey starts the film as an anti-hero. By the end of TFA she's already where Luke will be in ROTJ. The biggest difference between the two is that unlike Luke, Rey isn't driven. She's lost. Unlike Luke, she doesn't see the Jedi way as a soul quest. Rey doesn't have a quest at all. Her journey is about serendipitous discovery. Not preordained heroism. So JJ has a lost anti-hero without purpose carry this film instead of the archetypal hero-in-training Lucas had in ANH. That was bold.
In summary, I have zero doubts in JJ's ability to deliver a great Episode IX, both due to his artistic inclinations but also in his ability to completely bypass the studio system via strong lawyers and representation.
Sure, JJ isn't an Aronofsky or a Fincher - or a Johnson for that matter. But he's a damn good filmmaker specially when delving into Sci-Fi/Action. STID is an incredibly underrated movie with some of the best Sci-Fi/Action I've seen in years. What makes JJ such a convincing storyteller is that he doesn't play it safe. While some people were annoyed by the parallels between TFA & ANH, the amount of risks he takes in that movie completely overshadow said parallels.
-The hero of the piece is missing. He tells us this one minute into the movie and keeps the hero hidden until the last minute. To do that with LUKE SKYWALKER takes big ****ing balls. JJ does it beautifully.
-The villain isn't really a villain. He's a chaotic enigma and a completely unpredictable force. From the moment you meet Kylo Ren you have absolutely no way of figuring him out.
-Rey's journey is not the hero's journey. Everyone likes to say Rey is TFA's Luke but she really isn't. Luke's journey is very much the hero's journey. He goes from awkward moisture farmer to driven Jedi apprentice. Rey starts the film as an anti-hero. By the end of TFA she's already where Luke will be in ROTJ. The biggest difference between the two is that unlike Luke, Rey isn't driven. She's lost. Unlike Luke, she doesn't see the Jedi way as a soul quest. Rey doesn't have a quest at all. Her journey is about serendipitous discovery. Not preordained heroism. So JJ has a lost anti-hero without purpose carry this film instead of the archetypal hero-in-training Lucas had in ANH. That was bold.
In summary, I have zero doubts in JJ's ability to deliver a great Episode IX, both due to his artistic inclinations but also in his ability to completely bypass the studio system via strong lawyers and representation.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
He was only responsible for one of the "finales" you listed.
Though I am curious about the Trek & MI "finales."
What composes the "etc?"
He was only responsible for one of the "finales" you listed.
Though I am curious about the Trek & MI "finales."What composes the "etc?"
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
I feel completely indifferent about this. The more I watch TFA the less I like it. If JJ is able or allowed to create something new and fresh I will be excited for it, if he makes another remake of an OT movie I will be quite disappointed.
I feel completely indifferent about this. The more I watch TFA the less I like it. If JJ is able or allowed to create something new and fresh I will be excited for it, if he makes another remake of an OT movie I will be quite disappointed.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
I read he's writing this with Terio. It's the final part of the trilogy so he should have no problem putting a story together that he started. I only wish Kasdan was writing this too.
I read he's writing this with Terio. It's the final part of the trilogy so he should have no problem putting a story together that he started. I only wish Kasdan was writing this too.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
I enjoyed TFA, in the 2 viewings I've had, and I think JJ is talented, but I would much rather have someone new than to rehash the same style. Are we complaining that 9 will mirror ROTJ yet?
I enjoyed TFA, in the 2 viewings I've had, and I think JJ is talented, but I would much rather have someone new than to rehash the same style. Are we complaining that 9 will mirror ROTJ yet?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
Yay! This is Star Trek Into Darkness all over again!
Yay! This is Star Trek Into Darkness all over again!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
I'm glad he's not. He's part of why TFA turned into such a rehash. Besides, I don't think he's capable of writing anything other than Han Solo.
With Terrio there's at least some hope he will actually bring something different to the table.
I'm glad he's not. He's part of why TFA turned into such a rehash. Besides, I don't think he's capable of writing anything other than Han Solo.
With Terrio there's at least some hope he will actually bring something different to the table.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
They're his shows, his decisions -- and if not, then he bailed responsibility and its still his fault.
Etc: Felicity, Cloverfield, Star Trek 2, TFA... Good god, do I really have to spell it out for you, man? Google.
This is the problem, and the same issue with most all JJ's stuff -- it's like bubblegum: enjoyable at first but quickly looses its flavor.
He was only responsible for one of the "finales" you listed.
What composes the "etc?"
They're his shows, his decisions -- and if not, then he bailed responsibility and its still his fault.
Etc: Felicity, Cloverfield, Star Trek 2, TFA... Good god, do I really have to spell it out for you, man? Google.
This is the problem, and the same issue with most all JJ's stuff -- it's like bubblegum: enjoyable at first but quickly looses its flavor.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
Didn't Terrio write Batman vs Superman? I hope he writes episode nine in the opposite direction of that.
Didn't Terrio write Batman vs Superman? I hope he writes episode nine in the opposite direction of that.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - May 24, 2019
Okay I saw the news so I have to chime in here. Abrams *will* deliver a better SW film than Trevorrow would have and he's a prequel denying homeboy which is also good.
However...there's no way the finale of the last film in the Sequel Trilogy can top RO now. He even said on the TFA commentary that he basically didn't even try to make the attack on Starkiller Base that amazing because "once they attack the base you already know they're going to blow it up." So while I'm happy that Episode IX got an upgrade from Trevorrow I'm still a little bummed that whatever final battle they show will most likely just be Abrams going through the motions again.
I loved how Han/Kylo and Rey/Kylo played out in TFA though so at least there's still a good chance that he knocks the more intimate character drama out of the park. And I do think that he took the "it's just a copy of ANH" criticisms personally so I'm sure we won't see just a ROTJ rehash.
Okay I saw the news so I have to chime in here. Abrams *will* deliver a better SW film than Trevorrow would have and he's a prequel denying homeboy which is also good.
However...there's no way the finale of the last film in the Sequel Trilogy can top RO now. He even said on the TFA commentary that he basically didn't even try to make the attack on Starkiller Base that amazing because "once they attack the base you already know they're going to blow it up." So while I'm happy that Episode IX got an upgrade from Trevorrow I'm still a little bummed that whatever final battle they show will most likely just be Abrams going through the motions again.
I loved how Han/Kylo and Rey/Kylo played out in TFA though so at least there's still a good chance that he knocks the more intimate character drama out of the park. And I do think that he took the "it's just a copy of ANH" criticisms personally so I'm sure we won't see just a ROTJ rehash.
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