Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Again that was the idea, but this movie failed to do that, no new children care about the ST. For every fan it lost, it simply didn't gain another, your children continue to follow, mine stopped, net effect - minus one

I have to respectfully disagree. I brought some SW Infinity toys to decorate my desk at school. I teach 6-8th grade art. I get kids coming up to me all the time who love SW. They get so excited talking about Kylo Ren and I always ask when I am doing a part of a demo that takes time "okay who would win: Vader or Kylo Ren" or whoever and the kids always have an opinion and just generally get excited about talking about SW. One 6th grade girl bought me a Pop Porg for my desk [emoji56] in my experience, children are very excited about SW...and Fort Night [emoji23]


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Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

And those who hate it feel bad for those who love it.
Talk about "nonsensical cycle" and **** but this comment makes you a part of it just as much. [emoji4]



But you just did, by feelin' bad for those who didn't like something you do. :lol

Honestly I don't mean to sound like I feel sad as in "I look down on you" I'm more referring to that I wish we could all enjoy it like I do. Like I wish you could enjoy it as much as I do because it makes me happy when people enjoy something as much as I do. I hate to keep using the example of my brother but I feel sad for him (as an example of a lifelong fan) that feels gutted over the TLJ. Not sad as in "my opinion is superior" more as in "that really sucks you don't like it and I wish you could see what I see in it"

That's all I meant so stop trying to start a fight where there is no hostility.




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Yeah, it's very strange to me that so many of the bashers either can't or simply refuse to acknowledge that we aren't fans because we see Luke as a weak coward and go "cool, he's such a loser, I love it!" Instead we see him as a flawed hero (which are the best kind IMO) who makes the very best decision he can to help the galaxy based on the information he had. When he received new information he immediately took action that saved everyone in a way that taxed his body beyond it's limits and went out a hero and a legend.

A major theme of the film is looking like a hero vs. doing what is right. Luke, Poe and Holdo all struggle with their own versions of that theme. I can understand why people would dislike the film if they thought those themes were poorly executed even if I disagree and think the execution was spot on. What I can't understand is why so many of the bashers hold such contempt for those who did think that the film nailed those dramatic beats. And that's why I easily dismiss the views of such individuals. The lack of civility is just so unnecessary. You'd think anyone who was actually a fan of this Saga would focus as much as possible on the positive elements while having a good chuckle (with those whom they both agree and disagree) over the negative.

I've never once gone off the deep end against those who like the prequels. I've never claimed that people who liked the PT were idiots or blind nor have I felt the need to make endless claims that everyone agrees with me that the prequels suck. I simply say that the PT doesn't "count" as far as I'm concerned and don't really care who disagrees with me. I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept for others to grasp, but obviously that's the world we live in now.

I'm just glad that there are still at least a few rational and civil peeps to both agree and disagree with. :)

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Honestly I don't mean to sound like I feel sad as in "I look down on you" I'm more referring to that I wish we could all enjoy it like I do. Like I wish you could enjoy it as much as I do because it makes me happy when people enjoy something as much as I do. I hate to keep using the example of my brother but I feel sad for him (as an example of a lifelong fan) that feels gutted over the TLJ. Not sad as in "my opinion is superior" more as in "that really sucks you don't like it and I wish you could see what I see in it"

That's all I meant so stop trying to start a fight where there is no hostility.

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That's how I understood what you wrote. Not hostile or patronizing.
 
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:goodpost:

That's how I understood what you wrote.

Thank you. I understand intent gets lost in language sometimes I just meant that it really sucks that the movie became so divisive. I feel sad that it gutted so many lifelong fans, as these are not fair weather fans but people who devoted a big chunk of their life into loving something and feeling like the filmmakers destroyed what they loved so much.


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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah, it's very strange to me that so many of the bashers either can't or simply refuse to acknowledge that we aren't fans because we see Luke as a weak coward and go "cool, he's such a loser, I love it!" Instead we see him as a flawed hero (which are the best kind IMO) who makes the very best decision he can to help the galaxy based on the information he had. When he received new information he immediately took action that saved everyone in a way that taxed his body beyond it's limits and went out a hero and a legend.

A major theme of the film is looking like a hero vs. doing what is right. Luke, Poe and Holdo all struggle with their own versions of that theme. I can understand why people would dislike the film if they thought those themes were poorly executed even if I disagree and think the execution was spot on. What I can't understand is why so many of the bashers hold such contempt for those who did think that the film nailed those dramatic beats. And that's why I easily dismiss the views of such individuals. The lack of civility is just so unnecessary. You'd think anyone who was actually a fan of this Saga would focus as much as possible on the positive elements while having a good chuckle (with those whom they both agree and disagree) over the negative.

I've never once gone off the deep end against those who like the prequels. I've never claimed that people who liked the PT were idiots or blind nor have I felt the need to make endless claims that everyone agrees with me that the prequels suck. I simply say that the PT doesn't "count" as far as I'm concerned and don't really care who disagrees with me. I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept for others to grasp, but obviously that's the world we live in now.

I'm just glad that there are still at least a few rational and civil peeps to both agree and disagree with. :)

Yep PT don't count- they are miserable filmmaking......I don't care what folks say about TLJ but it had me far more engaged than all three PT films put together- poor acting and poorer storylines dominate the PT in my opinion.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah, it's very strange to me that so many of the bashers either can't or simply refuse to acknowledge that we aren't fans because we see Luke as a weak coward and go "cool, he's such a loser, I love it!" Instead we see him as a flawed hero (which are the best kind IMO) who makes the very best decision he can to help the galaxy based on the information he had. When he received new information he immediately took action that saved everyone in a way that taxed his body beyond it's limits and went out a hero and a legend.

A major theme of the film is looking like a hero vs. doing what is right. Luke, Poe and Holdo all struggle with their own versions of that theme. I can understand why people would dislike the film if they thought those themes were poorly executed even if I disagree and think the execution was spot on. What I can't understand is why so many of the bashers hold such contempt for those who did think that the film nailed those dramatic beats. And that's why I easily dismiss the views of such individuals. The lack of civility is just so unnecessary. You'd think anyone who was actually a fan of this Saga would focus as much as possible on the positive elements while having a good chuckle (with those whom they both agree and disagree) over the negative.

I've never once gone off the deep end against those who like the prequels. I've never claimed that people who liked the PT were idiots or blind nor have I felt the need to make endless claims that everyone agrees with me that the prequels suck. I simply say that the PT doesn't "count" as far as I'm concerned and don't really care who disagrees with me. I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept for others to grasp, but obviously that's the world we live in now.

I'm just glad that there are still at least a few rational and civil peeps to both agree and disagree with. :)

What a great post [emoji119]


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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What a great post [emoji119]

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Another thing I liked about Johnson's filmmaking process was that he literally had Adam Driver fly out to Ireland just so that he could stand off camera and respond to Rey during her "Force link" scenes. And similarly Daisy Ridley was always off camera on the Star Destroyer set so that he could also be really facing her. I know that a lot of these movies are just straight up pretend and that as professional actors it's literally their job to sell whatever the scene calls for but I still like knowing that Adam and Daisy really were making eye contact with the other person and hearing their real voices just as their characters were in the movie. I just like that extra little level of authenticity.

Watching the behind the scenes docs for The Hobbit movies kind of bummed me out when they showed that Martin Freeman never once heard Benedict Cumberbatch's voice as Smaug and instead it was the female dialogue coach who was off camera reading Smaug's lines to him.
 
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I have to give major credit to Khev for being the only conservative, that I know of anyways, to defend TLJ and then be labeled as a fake SW fan or having his SW blinders affecting his SJW radar or not caring for Luke like he should blah blah blah.

Umm... I believe its Khev who has been placing quotations around "fans" who don't like TLJ.:dunno

What I can't understand is why so many of the bashers hold such contempt for those who did think that the film nailed those dramatic beats. And that's why I easily dismiss the views of such individuals. The lack of civility is just so unnecessary. You'd think anyone who was actually a fan of this Saga would focus as much as possible on the positive elements while having a good chuckle (with those whom they both agree and disagree) over the negative.

Yet you re-mouth all the standard conspiracy theory garbage (bots and "weaponized RT") and call those who didn't like TLJ "fans."?
 
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I know not directed at me but all of these characters have flaws and make mistakes, particularly in TLJ. Luke schools Rey, Leia/Holdo school Poe, Rose schools Finn. All of the protagonists in TLJ recover from a failure or acknowledge their ignorance. Even DJ has a great moment where he acknowledges he may be totally wrong.

Not singling you out but a few of the common critiques don't hold water if you really examine what happens in the movies.

There is zero character interest, mystery or revelation coming out of TLJ - the movie pretty much did scorched earth to anything from TFA and created nothing new in terms of driving interest. You can even fit the whole resistance into a standard mini-van now.

All that's left for Rey is a Kylo-facilitated flashback to the Junku trailer park where her bad-teeth parents trade her for some Meth Sticks.

It sucks that my brother actually hates this movie and is done with SW because I can tell it hurts him on many levels. And I feel genuinely bad for fans that hate it. I don't look down on you for conflicting opinions, I just wish we could all discuss this movie without it turning into conspiracy theories and down right nastiness.

I have been reading these comments and I am dying laughing over here [emoji23][emoji23] is it also...possible that your conspiracy theory rattled little brain is seeing conspiracy theories....where there are none? Just a question because maybe if you think someone that disagrees with you is part of a global conspiracy meant to further a narrative that contradicts what you KNOW to be true well you might want to see a doctor is all I'm trying to say.

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That right there is technically termed the "Khev Dichotomy" - which is where you quote Rodney King out of one side of your mouth, while screaming "burn 'em down!" with the other.

I believe the "conspiracy theory" you refer to is the horrible, unspeakable idea that the people who didn't like TLJ number more than 200 bot-using intolerant neck-beards (a category I assume you don't place your brother into.) That the split in the fanbase is in fact closer to 50/50, despite Disney and Khev's efforts to spin it otherwise by denigrating fans who didn't like it.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

And you honestly feel that you - and others - are really connected to those characters' journeys and any burning questions attached to them that you can't wait to see IX? You surely must be alone in that.

There is zero character interest, mystery or revelation coming out of TLJ - the movie pretty much did scorched earth to anything from TFA and created nothing new in terms of driving interest. You can even fit the whole resistance into a standard mini-van now.

All that's left for Rey is a Kylo-facilitated flashback to the Junku trailer park where her bad-teeth parents trade her for some Meth Sticks.

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Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

:duff

Another thing I liked about Johnson's filmmaking process was that he literally had Adam Driver fly out to Ireland just so that he could stand off camera and respond to Rey during her "Force link" scenes. And similarly Daisy Ridley was always off camera on the Star Destroyer set so that he could also be really facing her. I know that a lot of these movies are just straight up pretend and that as professional actors it's literally their job to sell whatever the scene calls for but I still like knowing that Adam and Daisy really were making eye contact with the other person and hearing their real voices just as their characters were in the movie. I just like that extra little level of authenticity.

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It's such a small thing to have the actors there acting across from each other and adds a layer of believability to their conversation. It's another example of having a great filmmaker like Johnson making a SW movie. He cares about the actors and the believability of the performances. Look at the performances he got out of Hamill and Fisher! Leia hasn't seemed like That alive since Empire.

Another thing I have to mention is John Williams hasn't seemed this alive in a long time. The way he brought purpose to the new themes he made for TFA being melded perfectly with the themes of Luke and Leia and the Force. I get pumped now hearing the Resistance theme when we he battle to Crait begins. But my favorite new pieces have to be the music on Ach-to and the music he walks out to confront the First Order. That makes the hairs on my arms stand up.

The music from Rey following Luke on his daily routine is some of my favorite music in any SW film. It's like Williams saw the magic happening and brought his A game.


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There is zero character interest, mystery or revelation coming out of TLJ - the movie pretty much did scorched earth to anything from TFA and created nothing new in terms of driving interest. You can even fit the whole resistance into a standard mini-van now.

All that's left for Rey is a Kylo-facilitated flashback to the Junku trailer park where her bad-teeth parents trade her for some Meth Sticks.





:slap

That right there is technically termed the "Khev Dichotomy" - which is where you quote Rodney King out of one side of your mouth, while screaming "burn 'em down!" with the other.

I believe the "conspiracy theory" you refer to is the horrible, unspeakable idea that the people who didn't like TLJ number more than 200 bot-using intolerant neck-beards (a category I assume you don't place your brother into.) That the split in the fanbase is in fact closer to 50/50, despite Disney and Khev's efforts to spin it otherwise by denigrating fans who didn't like it.

You are correct and I do apologize for that. It just seems like you want to belittle people for enjoying this movie, saying that they are just in denial. I can think for myself thank you. Many people love this movie. Many people hate it. I get that. Just don't make it more than it has to be.


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It's such a small thing to have the actors there acting across from each other and adds a layer of believability to their conversation. It's another example of having a great filmmaker like Johnson making a SW movie. He cares about the actors and the believability of the performances. Look at the performances he got out of Hamill and Fisher! Leia hasn't seemed like That alive since Empire.

Another thing I have to mention is John Williams hasn't seemed this alive in a long time. The way he brought purpose to the new themes he made for TFA being melded perfectly with the themes of Luke and Leia and the Force. I get pumped now hearing the Resistance theme when we he battle to Crait begins. But my favorite new pieces have to be the music on Ach-to and the music he walks out to confront the First Order. That makes the hairs on my arms stand up.

Absolutely. I mentioned that back when it was still in theaters. Love the scene of the Resistance soldiers rising into the light to watch Luke combined with the brand new theme Williams composed for that specific moment.

The music from Leia following Luke on his daily routine is some of my favorite music in any SW film. It's like Williams saw the magic happening and brought his A game.

Yep, and to the day I die I'm going to laugh every time I watch Mark's hearty "Mmmm" when drinking the milk, lol.
 
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Absolutely. I mentioned that back when it was still in theaters. Love the scene of the Resistance soldiers rising into the light to watch Luke combined with the brand new theme Williams composed for that specific moment.



Yep, and to the day I die I'm going to laugh every time I watch Mark's hearty "Mmmm" when drinking the milk, lol.

I love Rey's face before the milking and gulping of the milk. She looks like "oh what a wonderful creature!" That makes me giggle every time [emoji23]


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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Too many great posts by Khev/Junk/Cereal to quote so good job to all lol

lol @ Khev and jye watching the tree burning.

There are 3 things in a man’s life you don’t mess with.

His money, his love of Luke Skywalker and his wife and in that order too!

I attached to Khev a long time ago here because of his perfect balance of honoring the old while celebrating the new.

He’s not all “Only the 80’s matter **** Disney!” or “Only modern cgi movies matter **** practical effects!”

Simply put Khev is a well rounded and informed individual and I have a blast talking film/movies with him on here.

Junkion just makes me laugh my ass off lol

But back to TLJ.

HELL NO it’s not perfect but HELL YEAH the the stakes and thrills were handled so much better than TFA!
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Rey whats-her-name girl could make it big in porn industry.
She has The Face.
 
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