None of that could have been built off of TFA. I was referring to chewblacca's claim that RJ took things off course with TLJ which hurt TROS. So my question was what was the "good" version of TLJ/TROS, not the entire ST.
Well, Rian nuked the franchise with TLJ, so it was impossible to have a good version of TROS. That's why I did the entire ST. My idea I typed on the toilet in 5 minutes with prior EU works was better.
But, I'll give it a go. Snoke is Darth Plageuis. Waiting in the outer regions, biding his time, healing from what Palpatine thought was the death blow. He can save those he loves from dying. He can manipulate the force to create life. And the "death" was a big ruse. Kylo feels betrayed, lied to for years, being manipulated by a greater Sith Lord... like his grandfather before him. Anakin appears in force ghost form and tells Kylo to "learn from my mistakes." Luke also appears and says "I sense the good in you Ben." Kylo turns back to the light. Rey and Ben fight Plagueis. Rey dies. Ben lives. The Rise of Skywalker is Ben rising back to the light.
Boom. 1000x times better than TROS.
I literally just realized that the ST outline that Lucas himself submitted also threw out the entire previous EU as well, lol. It was George's idea to have Luke be a sad exiled hermit and the story was to focus around two teenagers name Sam and Kira. No reference whatsoever to "Jaina," "Jacen," young Ben, Mara Jade, etc. Throwing out the EU was literally his idea and apparently Disney said all right then so be it. And then by having TROS loosely adapt portions of Dark Empire they actually honored the original EU better than he did, lol.
He had multiple drafts. He never really liked the EU to begin with, but he still allowed it.... he wasn't going to nuke it completely.
TFA Art Book, TLJ Art Book, Michael Arndt (original screenwriter Lucas hired to write the ST) and um, the entire internet the last five years. You really aren't on the up and up when it comes to this stuff are you, lol.
Funny how this stuff comes out only after Disney buys it...
A version that sets up a villain in the previous two movies and not some “Hey you know what would be cool!” villain that was used for the sake of nostalgia.
Pretty much any plan. But nah, they rushed it, hired bad directors, hired KK, no plan, no direction, no care, complete on the fly BS.
Also a trilogy that had a full thought out plan, and not something like throwing ideas at a wall and seeing what would stick!
Lol, yes I was messing with you with my first line above. And of course a novelization will provide more info than what was in the movie, that's literally been the case with every novelization for every movie ever made. Do we *need* any more information to follow the events of TROS? Nope.
Emperor Palpatine returns due to cloning and dark magic, reveals that he was behind the creation of both Snoke and the First Order, prepares to get revenge on the Jedi and Rebel Alliance while conquering the galaxy once again, Rey personally confronts Palpatine face to face, reflects his lightning back on him killing him and his followers, the Resistance fleet then destroys his fleet. The end. No additional source material needed to follow the above events which were spelled out in the movie.
Yes there were some odd loose ends like Finn wanting to tell Rey something or geeky Star Wars questions like "but what was the model number of the cloning chamber used to grow another Palpatine body" but none of it was critical information to know in order to understand what the characters needed to do to overcome their challenges and resolve their arcs.
"Do we *need* any more information to follow the events of TROS? Nope."
What? The entire galaxy is a mess. Trillions died. No government. No Jedi order. We don't need any thing else? What the hell happens after? There is no support structure to rebuild whatsoever.
I think your just reaching so that you can make sense of a franchise that sucks now. Trying to lay blame on Lucas when he had nothing to do with this mess. It?s actually funny the hoops you go through to defend this horrible writing and then turn around and crap on PT which doesn?t compare to this mess of filmmaking and writing.
The biggest thing in writing is show don?t tell and this new trilogy has done nothing but tell, tell , tell and you and somtimes JYE gobble it up like it was all meticulously put together. Come on man. It?s like you convince yourself everyday it doesn?t suck. Even the positivity thread died. Which is kinda funny tbh since people really wanted a safe space from criticizing this. Ajp is gone to. He loved TLJ now he said **** it .
I just seriously enjoy the mental gymnastics. It?s fun to read.
Reminds me of NASCAR fans. They'll defend the sport/franchise no matter what. NASCAR introduces a "playoff" in 2004 and has bombed in ratings and sponsorship dollars. Star Wars introduces the ST and has bombed, destroying the OT in the process. But, both still have fans no matter what who will die on their small dwindling hill.
So your saying that despite Kathleen Kennedy saying that they had no source material to draw from JJ stoke the idea from a comic based on the series he was trying to finish? The comic did it better.
Even EU fans didn't really like Dark Empire and yet what was the worst story considered by many, they adapted. KK is a liar. No source material and she rips the EU off at the last second to patch work a garbage ST together. Complete joke and incompetency.
Palps worked in Dark Empire cos he was there from the start, his resurrection was central to the story. Sadly in the ST he was an afterthought/contingency plan.
Glad to see you using the same defence of TROS as I do for the PT (it's B-movie/pulp). If only we could see eye to eye on either!
Yup. Planned from the start makes it work than being thrown in at the last second.
