I forsee this being locked or moved the sandbox shortly...
No kidding. But before it does, here's one of my favorite versions of the Last Supper from M*A*S*H:
Star Wars + Last Supper = Awesomeness???
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No kidding. But before it does, here's one of my favorite versions of the Last Supper from M*A*S*H:
lerath666
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Okay, here I am announced:
1) Not to be offensive, but the amount of spelling errors in your statements does make me question your credibility on the subject - maybe you were just in a rush?I myself have taught history, philosophy and original languages professionally. I hesitate to say that, but it is always easy to spout off on an internet message board (like I don't want to start something, but "..... is a moron.") and create a storm of unfound comments.
2) In response to the first enboldened section, yes actually the Bible does prescribe this, as do most of the other sacred texts.
3) You are confusing a great many things here, the Bible was not orginally created in 1611 under James' direction. There were in actuality a great many English translations previous to this, not to mention the various Coptic, Greek, Aramaic and Latin scripts. Modern biblical translators do in fact reject much of the King James text, for the sake of accuracy; as we have access to a vastly greater amount of Greek texts that were just not available (discovered yet) as of 1611. Couple that with the fact that the historical span from date of occurance to the earliest extant copy ranges from only 50-150 years, and we have a much more reliable text than any ancient document; even those from a contemporary time period. While the reader is free to debate the meaning of the passages, the accuracy of translation can hardly be questioned.
Oh, and the painting is alright; but not particularly interesting for my tastes.
My appologies Herr Grammer Nazi
( forgive the good naturedness of this jab, i mean no offence) Meh, I'm just a notoriously bad speller. Please note the title under my name my friend. Seriously though, Yeah time to type sometimes is not something i've got alot of. I find spellcheck to be an invaluble tool, perhaps i should start copy-paste my posts into wordpad first? Moving on. Please point me to the passages in the bible where is askes us to go to a structure and pay a man for preaching ( If it's in there, then I've missed it, and i'm not above admittting a mistake) My reference to the translation of the james Version is more to the information given to my by my college profesor, on the nature of the translation. that being, the ultimateum given to the translators to complet it in x amount of time ( i forget, a month, two?) Lest the be excuted and new ones found. James viewed himself a champion of the people, and wanted it done. The threats might have been idle, but they did happen, and who wants to test a king?
That or my professor was full of ++++, and needs his teaching degree revaluated.
For the record, internet or no, don't care. I won't say anything on a forum that I would not say to someones face. I beleive in speaking my mind, regardless of the format.
moving on, what's your take on the Apocrapha?
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My appologies Herr Grammer
And I am a bad reader, I didn't get it until you pointed that out!
lerath666 said:
Here are a few - Galatians 6:6; Hebrews 10:25 - and of course there are more.
lerath666 said:
Well, it is true but it isn't; and beyond that not entirely relavent. Regardless of King James' translational requirements and or pressures, the New Testament texts are not from those previously done in English (that would be a paraphrase); but rather the original language of Greek (and likely some Aramaic).
Sorry if we have ventured waaay off course, but at least we have been civil about it.
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No kidding. But before it does, here's one of my favorite versions of the Last Supper from M*A*S*H:
Thats awesome! I really like Dali's version... I'm not Christian, but I used to have this in my home (not the original of course
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Kinda cool. Seems like he put a LOT of work into it.
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that is awesomeness man.
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I rather like the warning label on the bible.Says it all in one neat little package...PS
The "last supper" pictures are actually more irrelevant than irreverent.
What I do find disturbing and sad are the comments posted by apparent atheists that feel the need to be insulting or simply spiteful in nature.
It's not surprising, though.
What I do find disturbing and sad are the comments posted by apparent atheists that feel the need to be insulting or simply spiteful in nature.
It's not surprising, though.
OK, I respect your view, that's fair enough. But, so this in fact happened?
- A Snake talking to Eve
- Bush that talked to Moses
- The Splitting of the Red Sea
- Samson losing his strength
- Jonas swallowed by a big fish
Sorry man, I'm cool with you having your beliefs, but mixing facts with mythology has been done by ALL cultures and ALL religions, so the Bible is a series of narrative/novel/history books with fiction.
It's not a matter of opinion by the way, it's like saying that just because you don't believe in gravity, it doesn't exist!
Nothing personal, just saying!
The Last Supper is an artist's interpretation of one of the stories in the Bible, it's by no means, an "authorized by God" representation of what happened.
I think people are just vocal towards things they disagree with, it's obviously a touchy subject, but that's the problem with religions, they are, ironically, divisive by nature...
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Can you prove those didn't happen? Then its yours and other atheists opinion that they didn't. There have always been doubters and they have the right to believe that way. In the end they will suffer if it turns out to be true. 4 me my faith and belief says they are true and I'm all the better for it.
So you can say these didn't happen and state the reasons you did. You have as much proof they didn't I suppose as I do that they did. However, I'm not going to tell you what to believe.
So you can say these didn't happen and state the reasons you did. You have as much proof they didn't I suppose as I do that they did. However, I'm not going to tell you what to believe.
Claiming that The Bible is 100% fiction is no better than taking everything in it as the literal truth. Some of us always find ourselves smack in the middle between Fundamentalists who believe that The Bible was hand-written by God himself and is infallible fact... and those who are too cynical, close-minded and skeptical to believe a word of it.
A little common sense and decorum, people. The Bible (in all its various incarnations, versions and translations) has a little of everything: Historical accounts, allegorical tales, symbolism, editorializing, etc.
These don't always have to degrade into ugly and personal Black and White debates, do they?
Anyone subscribe to the theory that jesus was a mushroom?
https://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,909327,00.html
That Amanita muscari is a serious shroom.
https://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,909327,00.html
That Amanita muscari is a serious shroom.
A lot of the Bible is allegorical. Thats how people wrote back then. Instead of saying "The sun rose this morning" a bible writer would say "The sun leaped out of bed this morning". IMO that pretty much explains the serpent speaking to Adam and Eve and alot of the other stuff you mentioned.
Anyhoo....
I wish I could find it, but one of my favorite episodes of northern exposure features a last supper mock up... I can't find it on google though.
Anyhoo....
I wish I could find it, but one of my favorite episodes of northern exposure features a last supper mock up... I can't find it on google though.
Very true. Also, the reason that allegories exist in the first place is because an over-dramatized version of an event or story is always easier for people to remember and pass on. And many times it's more important that the theme, point or moral of a story gets across than any of the details or minutiae.
The problem with The Bible is that, like I said, it mixes all of these elements. And thus it's difficult for some people to figure out what's what. IMHO, all that takes is common sense, but for whatever reason people usually either take the Bible at 100% face value or completely dismiss it as myth. There IS a middle-ground.
Exactly. Some might say that this is the reason why there are so many different religions. Everyone wants to apply their own interpretation to things.
As for those who take everything at face value, I just read this:
That is great!
Customikey
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I want to point out the inherent humor of a man of faith demanding proof.
That's meant good-naturedly, by the way.
As to my second selection of bold text, this is where I depart a bit from the accepted beliefs of my faith. I believe wholeheartedly (honestly, really about 80%) in the redeaming power of Christ and his sacrifice. Further, I believe it was an act of unconditional love. As such, I think his death, resurrection, and promise of eternal life applies to all mankind, not just Christians.
If not believing in Christ is a sin, well, that's forgiven too. One of the greatest men I know is a Jew. He's a man devout to his own faith in G_d, and he's a good man who cares deeply for all people, not just his own friends and family. I refuse to believe God wil not accept him. The Jews are, after all, the Chosen People, are they not? And Muslims, Jews, Christians all worship the same God of Abraham, do they not? Well, there you go.
Anyway, I quite like the painting, although I think it could use a bit more detail. I think the fact that DaVinci's work has been so integrated into pop-culture is an amazing feat!
Nope, but most of them, didn't have any witness, except for the Splitting of the Dead sea, so, you take Eve's, Moses and Jonas word for it?
Then you should believe every UFO report out there...
I have a question, why do you assume I'm an atheist?
Second, I don't doubt the credibility of the Bible, I know that some of the things there are metaphors, you acknowledge that too, right?
Now, so I will burn in hell because I didn't believe in Mythology?, that would be priceless...
I'm not telling you what to believe, just to understand that the last supper painting it's an artist's interpretation that's not "God's art", so you shouldn't be offended by it...
Please read this post:
https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?p=793179#post793179
I want to point out the inherent humor of a man of faith demanding proof.
That's meant good-naturedly, by the way.
As to my second selection of bold text, this is where I depart a bit from the accepted beliefs of my faith. I believe wholeheartedly (honestly, really about 80%) in the redeaming power of Christ and his sacrifice. Further, I believe it was an act of unconditional love. As such, I think his death, resurrection, and promise of eternal life applies to all mankind, not just Christians.
If not believing in Christ is a sin, well, that's forgiven too. One of the greatest men I know is a Jew. He's a man devout to his own faith in G_d, and he's a good man who cares deeply for all people, not just his own friends and family. I refuse to believe God wil not accept him. The Jews are, after all, the Chosen People, are they not? And Muslims, Jews, Christians all worship the same God of Abraham, do they not? Well, there you go.
Anyway, I quite like the painting, although I think it could use a bit more detail. I think the fact that DaVinci's work has been so integrated into pop-culture is an amazing feat!
I agree, I'm not attacking people's beliefs, just saying that it's just a painting, it's not holy or anything like that, so, having pop-culture fun with it, is in no way degrading or disrespectful...
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Exactly. Some might say that this is the reason why there are so many different religions. Everyone wants to apply their own interpretation to things.
As for those who take everything at face value, I just read this:
I hated science in school... but
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