Yeah, I do like the TPM score. Probably the best of the PT.
Star Wars On Blu-Ray
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Shropt
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I can't tell you how pissed I am that the old deleted scenes are not part of this set. Why the ____ would they not include them? To force us to keep our DVDs? And why is the original Lapti Nek sequence not included as a deleted scene or the other versions of the Jabba sequence in ANH?
I'd like to believe that there is a plan to release yet another box set at some point with everything but I don't think they are that smart. This whole set is just... strange and confusing.
I'd like to believe that there is a plan to release yet another box set at some point with everything but I don't think they are that smart. This whole set is just... strange and confusing.
Shropt
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Wasn't sure if this was posted...
"They have the full cartoon from the Star Wars Holiday Special showing Boba Fett's first appearance on one of the bonus discs. It's never looked this good before, since we've only seen it on 3rd or 4th generation bootlegs in the past. To find it, put in disc 8 and go to the "Pursued by the Imperial Fleet" section then to the "Collection" section, then to "Boba Fett prototype armor", and then select "First Look" and the full cartoon will play. I'm impressed that they included the whole cartoon sequence, even though it's not that long. I've played through all the rest of the OT features so far and no other big surprises like that were there. So if there's any real easter eggs, they'll be harder to find. I still need to play through the PT bonus features. "
And another explanation that differs a bit...
"The Boba Fett Introduction cartoon from the Holiday Special is on Extras Disk 2. Empire sections, collection, Boba’s chest armor. A choice on the right side of the screen offers the choice of “First Look”. The entire cartoon short plays."
"They have the full cartoon from the Star Wars Holiday Special showing Boba Fett's first appearance on one of the bonus discs. It's never looked this good before, since we've only seen it on 3rd or 4th generation bootlegs in the past. To find it, put in disc 8 and go to the "Pursued by the Imperial Fleet" section then to the "Collection" section, then to "Boba Fett prototype armor", and then select "First Look" and the full cartoon will play. I'm impressed that they included the whole cartoon sequence, even though it's not that long. I've played through all the rest of the OT features so far and no other big surprises like that were there. So if there's any real easter eggs, they'll be harder to find. I still need to play through the PT bonus features. "
And another explanation that differs a bit...
"The Boba Fett Introduction cartoon from the Holiday Special is on Extras Disk 2. Empire sections, collection, Boba’s chest armor. A choice on the right side of the screen offers the choice of “First Look”. The entire cartoon short plays."
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Give me the extra feature disk. 
That's actually a pretty cool Easter Egg.
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Can you guys save me some time looking? Where is that new Luke lightsaber scene from ROTJ?
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Completely agree about TPM DVD. It was awful. But I find this release quite disappointing as well. This should look PERFECT. It was shot little over 10 years ago on 35mm film. Compare it to "2001" on blu-ray which is jaw-dropping. I agree most of the CG work still stands up, I just wish it was sharper! And I thought the faces looked really weird at times. Not a fan of DNR.
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It is there friend. Watched it this morning. Pretty cool to have a decent copy of this finally but I am a little curious...I thought George had all copies of The Holiday Special destroyed (or is that just an urban legend)...where did they get this from?
TPM should actually be the best looking of ALL six films with the most fidelity since it was shot on 1997-1998 film stock, which was one of the best.
The problem is Lucas never intended to keep it that way. The footage was all instantly transferred to digital (in scans the today would be considered low-res) so all the cgi and digital editing could take place. It was never truly scanned as a digital master from 35mm. This is the reason behind the edge enhancement for the DVD and the DNR for the Blu-ray. Much like the OT, Lucas would have to go back and re-do TPM at its source. And clearly he feels no need to.
Incidentally, the scene at Anakin's home where Qui-Gon checks his blood was actually shot with an early experimental 24p digital camera and not on film stock like the rest of the film. And it really shows, particularly in the shots of the night sky.
The problem is Lucas never intended to keep it that way. The footage was all instantly transferred to digital (in scans the today would be considered low-res) so all the cgi and digital editing could take place. It was never truly scanned as a digital master from 35mm. This is the reason behind the edge enhancement for the DVD and the DNR for the Blu-ray. Much like the OT, Lucas would have to go back and re-do TPM at its source. And clearly he feels no need to.
Incidentally, the scene at Anakin's home where Qui-Gon checks his blood was actually shot with an early experimental 24p digital camera and not on film stock like the rest of the film. And it really shows, particularly in the shots of the night sky.
Very interesting! Even in the theaters I notice something off with the quality of that scene. Thanks for sharing.
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I've only watched TPM so far. It is definitely all over the place. Some scenes blow you away (like the lightsaber dual at the end) and some look AWFUL (like the scene in the Gungan city where the humans look so out of place and fake). I'm not really seeing the DNR problems that everyone is speaking of but it just looks strange at points.
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I hate the way they packaged the dvd's in the box set. I'm having quite the time getting them out with leaving fingerprints or scratches. Packaging for the discs = fail.
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I'm not a huge fan either. I haven't had issues getting the discs out, but the box just lacks any kind of style other than a crap box. I'm probably going to do some custom box art and put them in regular Blu Ray cases.
In the scene of Obi-Wan talking to Yoda at the end that was a digital shot as well--I never read anywhere about any other shots being in digital as well though, I think it was just the one scene with Obi-Wan and Yoda. I think that was on the DVD commentary.
They were trying to get the digital cameras done to be used on TPM but they didn't quite make it in time.
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There was another digital shot as well. With Greedo and the pod racer engine test. Again it stands out really badly especially as it's sandwiched in with proper film shots.
I just find it amazing that Lucasfilm haven't created a proper full HD version of this movie yet. All the fx material would have been archived, so the CG could be re-rendered (unlike a lot of other movies) but I guess they would have to rescan the neg and all the film Fx elements. Quite a task, but he basically owns ILM, how much down time would they need over 12 years!
They're going to have to do it for the 3D version, so hopefully they'll be able to improve it.
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I has a question.
What song is playing at the end of ROTJ on the blu-ray version?
Is it the..the uh.. that one, you know.. That yub yub one..
What song is playing at the end of ROTJ on the blu-ray version?
Is it the..the uh.. that one, you know.. That yub yub one..
Exactly.
And, viper, no the 3D release doesn't guarantee a true HD transfer from the master film elements. All that requires is a stereoscopic conversion. And given the transfer they went with for the Blu-ray I'd bet the house they used the same one as the basis for the 3D version. Otherwise, they'd have done a true HD scan a year or two ago and that would also have been used for Blu-ray.
We'll most likely never see TPM look as good as it did in theaters in 1999. For several reasons. One may be that it'd look "too good" given that AOTC & ROTS were actually filmed in 1080p (thus they'll never be more hi-res than that, unlike many films much older) and the OT is obviously never going to see a true restoration in HD.
These current transfers are apparently the visual ceiling for Star Wars. And while that may be ok for some folks it really won't be long before all of the films will look dated, because unlike most other movies there won't be full 4k or 8k scanned masters to go back to. They'd have to basically start from scratch all over again. A very costly, time-consuming endeavor. Especially since LFL/ILM could/should have done it that way in the first place.
The problem, like all things wrong with SW today, is that Lucas' mantra and philosophy for the past many years has been "it's good enough". Do you see that changing anytime soon? 1080p is good enough right now, but again it won't be very long until it's not. Will Lucas care then? That's the crux.
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They would have to go back to the original source or they would be wasting a lot of time and work to produce a poor-quality 3D experience.
At a minimum they'd have to go back to the original elements so they could separate them out. Ideally they'd go even back to the original 3D images to get the depth info on the 3D models.
If they don't do that, then the 3D would truly suck. And I wouldn't doubt that they'd have to completely different groups doing the Blu-Ray transfer and the 3D version.
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