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Spoken like someone still wet with the waters of childhood. :lol

(no offense) :wave

20 is still wet with childhood water? Ew...:lol

But still.....there is a reason why people of all ages enjoy the OT...because they actually have a story, with characters who are fleshed out.

But I think I posted my point wrong. Obviously...haha.

I ment you can't view every Star Wars film through the mind of a child, as an adult, because then you'll only get the surface stuff, not the extra little nuaunces.

That's what I ment.
 
Did this make the final cut of ANH...

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I was seven and fully enjoyed it. I may not have got the subtext at that age but that's the difference between the prequels and the OT... there's ZERO subtext or backstory. They're all one dimensional fodder that don't teach anything to our kids. I watch my seven year old daughter being absorbed by the OT and then afterwards asking questions about things; particularly Yoda and his teachings with Luke. It leaves her thinking, wondering, wanting to know more.

The prequels...nothing but pretty lights.

Oh, I dunno about that. While the original trilogy leaves you wanting to know more about the Force and how Anakin went from being a good guy and Obi Wan Kenobi's friend to such an evil *******, the Prequels left me wondering a great deal about Palpatine, Dooku, Qui Gonn, and the nature of the dark side. I mean, what's the deal with Palpatine? Is he really from Naboo, or did he bump someone off and take his place? How did he formulate his plan to create a future apprentice from the Force itself and how did Shmi come into the picture? How did Dooku go from being a Jedi Master to becoming a Sith lord with a dual personna (Darth Tyrannus/ "Count" Dooku)? Did he pass along any of his sentiments to his padawan Qui Gonn, who often defied the Jedi council and just happened to be the one to discover Anakin? Was Qui Gonn a pawn in Palpatine's plans all along? Lots and lots of questions and subtext. What seems to be good isn't necessarily so. Sometimes, an apparent victory is actually a major defeat. The Clone wars series has a chance to expand all that with Palpatine secretly 'breeding' Anakin for the Sith and Anakin's desire to exceed the natural order of things by using his power to cheat death. He wanted that ability when his mother died. He wanted it to try to save Padme. I'm sure there will be moments in the CW when he wants that kind of power as well. It's really the core element of his personality that ultimately drags him to the dark side - he fears to lose the ones he loves, even though that may be how destiny should play out. Ties in with Luke flying off to Bespin to save his friends even when Yoda warns against it. When you see all of the mirroring Lucas did between the PT and the OT, the main question becomes: will Luke fall to the dark side like Anakin did before him? It's actually good story-telling, if only the dialogue and acting of the PT were better...
 
In AOTC when Obi-Wan was captive, why does Dooku tell him the truth about Sidious having control of the senate?

Great question! I always wondered if Dooku was trying to rat out Sidious so the Jedi would take him out and then Dooku could step in as the master and find an apprentice (kinda like Vader wanting to kill Palpatine and have Anakin as his apprentice) - too bad for the Jedi that at this point they don't know which way is up and they think Dooku is lying. Would love to see more of that kind of back-stabbing in the CW...
 
In AOTC when Obi-Wan was captive, why does Dooku tell him the truth about Sidious having control of the senate?

sometimes the truth is more powerful than a fiction

and knowing that they cant sense palps is a force user it would be divisive to the senate and the jedi
 
Great question! I always wondered if Dooku was trying to rat out Sidious so the Jedi would take him out and then Dooku could step in as the master and find an apprentice (kinda like Vader wanting to kill Palpatine and have Anakin as his apprentice) - too bad for the Jedi that at this point they don't know which way is up and they think Dooku is lying. Would love to see more of that kind of back-stabbing in the CW...

Jedi can sense lies and truth and Dooku thought he could rally Obi to the cause? :dunno

sometimes the truth is more powerful than a fiction

and knowing that they cant sense palps is a force user it would be divisive to the senate and the jedi

I've only seen it 30 times, I have to watch it again :lol
 
Oh, I dunno about that. While the original trilogy leaves you wanting to know more about the Force and how Anakin went from being a good guy and Obi Wan Kenobi's friend to such an evil *******, the Prequels left me wondering a great deal about Palpatine, Dooku, Qui Gonn, and the nature of the dark side. I mean, what's the deal with Palpatine? Is he really from Naboo, or did he bump someone off and take his place? How did he formulate his plan to create a future apprentice from the Force itself and how did Shmi come into the picture? How did Dooku go from being a Jedi Master to becoming a Sith lord with a dual personna (Darth Tyrannus/ "Count" Dooku)? Did he pass along any of his sentiments to his padawan Qui Gonn, who often defied the Jedi council and just happened to be the one to discover Anakin? Was Qui Gonn a pawn in Palpatine's plans all along? Lots and lots of questions and subtext. What seems to be good isn't necessarily so. Sometimes, an apparent victory is actually a major defeat. The Clone wars series has a chance to expand all that with Palpatine secretly 'breeding' Anakin for the Sith and Anakin's desire to exceed the natural order of things by using his power to cheat death. He wanted that ability when his mother died. He wanted it to try to save Padme. I'm sure there will be moments in the CW when he wants that kind of power as well. It's really the core element of his personality that ultimately drags him to the dark side - he fears to lose the ones he loves, even though that may be how destiny should play out. Ties in with Luke flying off to Bespin to save his friends even when Yoda warns against it. When you see all of the mirroring Lucas did between the PT and the OT, the main question becomes: will Luke fall to the dark side like Anakin did before him? It's actually good story-telling, if only the dialogue and acting of the PT were better...



Good point. And when you listen to Lucas talk on the commentaries you WISH he had have employed a great writer like Kasdan to translate whats going on in his head. He had the ideas, but he can't (write or) direct his way out of a paper bag!
 
Adding to what Khonsu70 said, ROTS was a heavy movie. Tragic, but necessary. Despite the lame dialog (delivered wonderfully by Ewan McGregor and horribly by Hayden Christensen) -- which only was written for Anakin in my opinion, the movie was probably the most emotionally gripping of the PT. When Order 66 was given out, it almost churned the stomach, knowing that the near-peaceful times of the PT were about to be replaced by the struggle to reach them once again. That, and it's just sad seeing the majority of the Jedi get killed off, never to be seen again.
For these reasons, Episode III stood closest to the quality of the PT. It featured more character development than the films that came before it and all of the pieces finally came together in an epic battle that, watched by a fan or not, gave out its share of goosebumpy moments.

Even so, Episodes I-II weren't too bad (II was a definite improvement over I, of course), and some of the characters were pretty good. I think the main advantage the OT has is that all of its characters are consistently well-thought-out and interesting. The prequels have their moments, they just can't keep them going for the duration of the movies like the originals could, so it compensates with more elaborate and visually-pleasing designs, environments, and scenes. It's a gold mine, artistically, so I have to say I hold both trilogies in nearly the same high regard, for different reasons.
 
"II was a definite improvement over I, of course"

i am of the total opposite opinion... i see Episode I as towering over Episode II.

i believe it came closest to capturing the vibe of the OT.
 
Adding to what Khonsu70 said, ROTS was a heavy movie. Tragic, but necessary. Despite the lame dialog (delivered wonderfully by Ewan McGregor and horribly by Hayden Christensen) -- which only was written for Anakin in my opinion, the movie was probably the most emotionally gripping of the PT. When Order 66 was given out, it almost churned the stomach, knowing that the near-peaceful times of the PT were about to be replaced by the struggle to reach them once again. That, and it's just sad seeing the majority of the Jedi get killed off, never to be seen again.
For these reasons, Episode III stood closest to the quality of the PT. It featured more character development than the films that came before it and all of the pieces finally came together in an epic battle that, watched by a fan or not, gave out its share of goosebumpy moments.

Even so, Episodes I-II weren't too bad (II was a definite improvement over I, of course), and some of the characters were pretty good. I think the main advantage the OT has is that all of its characters are consistently well-thought-out and interesting. The prequels have their moments, they just can't keep them going for the duration of the movies like the originals could, so it compensates with more elaborate and visually-pleasing designs, environments, and scenes. It's a gold mine, artistically, so I have to say I hold both trilogies in nearly the same high regard, for different reasons.

Hmmmm.....well enough said :clap

And that's coming from a PT hater being converted to a PT is still all kinds of fun person :lol

When you say the name SW though, the OT will be the first thing that will come to the mind of most people followed by the name GL and his empire followed by the disdain for the PT.

C'mon, no matter what age you are, ANH and Empire are considered cinema classics vs anything PT related.

ANH partly because of when it came out nothing else like it existed but Empire is a beast of a movie, one of the best ever.

Don't get me wrong, i'm enjoying the PT with this recent release and your points are valid.
 
My least favorite moments of ROTS:

"General Grievous. I expected someone taller"

"Perhaps love has blinded you."

:rolleyes:
 
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