Star Wars On Blu-Ray

[darthviper107]

In my mind, the Empire dies at the end of Ep 6 and anything thereafter is boring. Anakin has "brought balance to the Force" and all that Jazz. Story over.

Any continuing story would be like the EU books in some regard with lame things happening like Han and Leia getting married and having kids (and if you thought Han was neutered in ROTJ) and Luke starting his own Jedi academy.

The Thrawn trilogy wasn't bad, but I wouldn't want to watch it on the big screen.

Well, logically just because the Emperor and the Death Star were destroyed doesn't mean that the Empire was defeated. There were still many many ships and all the Mofs and stuff like that.

If they ever do something after ROTJ, they should do the New Jedi Order, that's some serious stuff

 

[TheGent]

Yeah, avoid the family and kids stuff; Luke building a new Jedi order - that's what it would be all about.

 

[Natrix]

Well, logically just because the Emperor and the Death Star were destroyed doesn't mean that the Empire was defeated. There were still many many ships and all the Mofs and stuff like that.

WRONG!!

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAOX_CHU0JY[/ame]

 

[Too Much Garlic]

According to the 1983 casting of Sebastian Shaw as Anakin Skywalker, this is how he really would have looked during the prequels:

Fascinating to imagine. Someone should photoshop a young Alec Guiness head on a Jedi body now.

I see this wasn't posted.

The page where I found the image: Real Anakin and Obi-Wan


I'm not wasting my time with the Blu-Rays. If Lucas can't find it in him to release the theatrical cuts of the OT, then he won't get my money.

 

[Kamandi]

Just because there are books and comics that have told post episode 6 stories doesn't mean Lucasfilm would follow them. There were comics that told pre-IV stories that were ignored when episodes 1-3 were written.

 

[darthviper107]

Just because there are books and comics that have told post episode 6 stories doesn't mean Lucasfilm would follow them. There were comics that told pre-IV stories that were ignored when episodes 1-3 were written.

I'm sure they wouldn't follow any of the EU material. But what's out there is probably better than what Lucas could have come up with himself.

 

[karamazov80]

I think a root issue with the Prequels is they almost didn't need to be told. You get enough bits a pieces to make up a story of your own to explain how everyone got to be where they are in the OT.

Having the movies almost takes away from that mystique. I kind of liked my childhood imagining of the clone wars better than what I've been shown in the movies or TV series.

I think that's a good point.

The approach to the character never seemed any different to me between ANH and Jedi. People say that Harrison phoned in his performance...if he did I can't tell. Seems pretty consistent with ANH and ESB to me.

I recently re-watched all 3 films after a break of a few years, and I can say that, to me, his performance was quite different between the 3 films. And it was an incremental change, so 4 is most different from 6. In episode 4, he starts out not giving a ____ about anyone or anything but himself. And it's believable. He begrudgingly plays the role of hero a couple times throughout after that, and it seems that guilt really compelled him on at the end more than some intrinsic goodness.

In Empire, he was more predictable from the get-go, evidenced by his altruistic trek out to find Luke despite the potential harm to himself. I don't feel Han changed very much throughout this movie, apart from the relationship between Han and Leia of course.

In Jedi, he was a big star, and didn't want the character to live. He probably didn't really want to be in the movie at all (I don't really know), and I think that comes through. He's more a caricature of his previous incarnations in some ways, and his facial expressions, etc. seem more exaggerated and cartoonish to me. He's a completely neutered version of Han in the first film in the sense that he is obviously devoted to whatever is good and right in the world (i.e, the cause of the rebels). Still, he's quite good at being Solo in my opinion and I enjoyed his performance in all 3 movies.

 

[Kamandi]

I think Kurtz's firing cast a long shadow over Jedi that affected the actors. Gary was the guy who could talk sense into Lucas. Ford's performance is one sign that things were not happy on Jedi.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I think being locked into a block of carbonite can change a man. And the fact that it was Leia, Luke, Chewie, Lando and the droids that came to his aid would give him a closer affiliation and loyalty to the rebel cause because his friends were amongst the leaders of that cause.

 

[steveo]

I'm not wasting my time with the Blu-Rays. If Lucas can't find it in him to release the theatrical cuts of the OT, then he won't get my money.

my thoughts too! I still don't own them and it doesn't bother me.

 

[steveo]

I often wonder, what if George had tackled the Prequels immediately after the OT? With the films being released in 1986, 1989, 1992. What would the stories be like? I'm sure they would have taken direction or approach. He would be striking while the Irons were still hot and not relying on CGI.

Lucas always said that the technology to pull off his vision wasn't there. Honestly, I don't see much in the PT that could not have been pulled off better prior to CGI. I think he overused it cause he could. I'd really love to know what exactly he couldn't do since the stories hadn't been that thought out. Was it Jar Jar?

 

[Khev]

I see this wasn't posted.

Awesome, thanks! Whenever I watch the OT those will be the guys that dueled way back when in my mind's eye, not Hayden and Ewan.

 

[steveo]

Sebastian Shaw looks a lot like Jack Haley.

 

[TheGent]

^ Loved Guinness in Kind hearts and coronets, Ladykillers, Barnacle Bill and all those Ealing movies. Good for a weather just like these days, with a hot chocolat! But as a young man, he never looked like a hard warrior, always Sir Charming.

Edit: Oh, but great work on the photoshopped couple!

Edit2: B2T, why didn't the missing elevator scene of EpVI make it onto the BlueRays?! Loved it ...
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdsXggne6sA[/ame]

 

[CollectorNC]

I think they can, look at JJ Abrams Star Trek, but not if the design of said prequel is obviously more advanced than that of the sequel.
I had high hopes in '99 when I first saw the Naboo fighters,: but the Clone armor ruined it for me. Why did the SW Stormtroopers end up wearing ill-fitting plastic suits when their predecessors had form-fitting armor that looked like it was designed 20 years later..? Oh wait, it was....
I think that was a basic flaw in the entire prequel trilogy. Oh and don't get me started on the Jedi Interceptors from ROTS: 'let's kitbash the Jedi Starfighter with the TIE fighters and chuck in the Falcon's cockpit as well, with no style at all...' excuse me, I'm ranting now...

I watched "Star Trek" 2009 again recently and I have to disagree. It, like "Enterprise" on tv, looks far more advanced than TOS and the original cast movies, which I've recently watched on blu-ray. There's no getting around it. I mean, ST 2009 looks more along the lines of "First Contact" with all the ships attacking the Borg. If I didn't know the timeline, I'd say this was after TOS.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

I think that's a good point.


I recently re-watched all 3 films after a break of a few years, and I can say that, to me, his performance was quite different between the 3 films. And it was an incremental change, so 4 is most different from 6. In episode 4, he starts out not giving a ____ about anyone or anything but himself. And it's believable. He begrudgingly plays the role of hero a couple times throughout after that, and it seems that guilt really compelled him on at the end more than some intrinsic goodness.

In Empire, he was more predictable from the get-go, evidenced by his altruistic trek out to find Luke despite the potential harm to himself. I don't feel Han changed very much throughout this movie, apart from the relationship between Han and Leia of course.

In Jedi, he was a big star, and didn't want the character to live. He probably didn't really want to be in the movie at all (I don't really know), and I think that comes through. He's more a caricature of his previous incarnations in some ways, and his facial expressions, etc. seem more exaggerated and cartoonish to me. He's a completely neutered version of Han in the first film in the sense that he is obviously devoted to whatever is good and right in the world (i.e, the cause of the rebels). Still, he's quite good at being Solo in my opinion and I enjoyed his performance in all 3 movies.

I agree. HF was definitely playing Han much more like the official designated "comic relief" in ROTJ. He went full comedy on his performance. And yes, the actual script didn't help, but he didn't have to deliver every single line of his like Shecky Greene.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I watched "Star Trek" 2009 again recently and I have to disagree. It, like "Enterprise" on tv, looks far more advanced than TOS and the original cast movies, which I've recently watched on blu-ray. There's no getting around it. I mean, ST 2009 looks more along the lines of "First Contact" with all the ships attacking the Borg. If I didn't know the timeline, I'd say this was after TOS.

That's because of the attack by Nero forcing technology to speed up. The two separate time lines are therefore non-directly comparable to each other.

It'll be like the atomic bomb being dropped by a time traveler during WWI... you'd expect a lot more advancement by the time WW2 happened (if that would even happen), like the possibility of early computers and sub-sonic fighter jets, etc. that we didn't see in our timeline.

Like Doc Brown said in Back to the Future: "You're just not thinking fourth dimensionally."

 

[darthviper107]

Lucas always said that the technology to pull off his vision wasn't there. Honestly, I don't see much in the PT that could not have been pulled off better prior to CGI. I think he overused it cause he could. I'd really love to know what exactly he couldn't do since the stories hadn't been that thought out. Was it Jar Jar?

Well, there were budget problems. Originally Alderaan was the capital of the Empire, and it was basically like Cloud City, and the stuff that happened on the Death Star took place there instead, still with the Death Star being blown up at the end. But it was too expensive so it was cut.


As far as stuff in the prequels being done better without CG--that's not true. There were still many things done with models, like mainly environments, but space battles and droids just can't be done well other wise. Like compare the difference between the stop-motion Terminator and the CG ones, the stop motion version is kind of hilarious.

 

[a-dev]

As far as stuff in the prequels being done better without CG--that's not true. There were still many things done with models, like mainly environments, but space battles and droids just can't be done well other wise. Like compare the difference between the stop-motion Terminator and the CG ones, the stop motion version is kind of hilarious.

Errr. They managed them pretty well in ROTJ

 

[darthviper107]

Well, there weren't any droids, but if you're talking about the space battle, that wasn't very good--remember the shot of the TIE fighters just appearing out of nowhere? Plus if it was more realistic there would have needed to be way more fighters, but to do that they have to shoot each element which takes too much time.