Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[ajp4mgs]

Oh man...

Oh well yes I will compartmentalize just like I do with "Snap Wexley"...

Yeah.

If it makes you feel any better, your ability to compartmentalize stuff like this far exceeds my own, so just try to imagine the tug of war I had going on in that season opener.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Does anyone remember there was a humanoid green rabbit in the OT Star Wars at one time?

 

[ajp4mgs]

Does anyone remember there was a humanoid green rabbit in the OT Star Wars at one time?

Jaxxon. ugh!

 

[Khev]

Yeah.

If it makes you feel any better, your ability to compartmentalize stuff like this far exceeds my own, so just try to imagine the tug of war I had going on in that season opener.

I'm definitely glad that I didn't know prior to seeing the episode.

 

[Bravomite]

Jaxxon. ugh!

Jaxxon (or a member of his space rabbit species) was shown in the clone wars... well at least his bones were shown in his tattered space suit.

 

[a-dev]

I honestly could care less if they create a new ST but remember this doomcockers not only will you not get Han, Luke and Leia to share a scene together you are not getting them at all PERIOD!

Enjoy your new ST without Han, Luke and Leia lol

Fine by me. I don't even need a new ST. The important thing is simply the knowledge that nothing plays out like it does in the existing ST and there is never a need to depict the classic heroes at the ends of their lives. Any future appearances by them can be deepfake cameos of their younger selves if anything at all.

 

[jye4ever]

STINO lol

 

[TheDucky]

Fine by me. I don't even need a new ST. The important thing is simply the knowledge that nothing plays out like it does in the existing ST and there is never a need to depict the classic heroes at the ends of their lives. Any future appearances by them can be deepfake cameos of their younger selves if anything at all.

Couldn’t have said it better. If all we get are TV shows from here on out, fine by me, as long as the story of the ST is not the true end for the Star Wars story. As I’m rewatching the OT, it is just completely unbelievable what these characters turn into. I still can’t comprehend how OG OT lovers accept it.

I think CGI capabilities will only get better and better though. And who knows how much time and money they really spent on it to begin with for a TV show. I think they could pull it off for a whole movie.

 

[TheDucky]

I agree with everything you are saying.. But I think Ducky was saying that they need to remake only "parts of it" and not a full on remake. Kind of like the SE.

Yup. This. Just certain scenes. And very few scenes at that. I would never want a full start from scratch remake of any from 1-6.

I don't agree with his choices at all... I think the hallway scene is fine. I think the chasm swing is fine in its own charming way as it was a tribute to the old serials. I have watched SC38 and its cool for a fan made youtube video but would hate to have it in the original.

Film is what it is.. A product of its time. Everything will be outdated at some point. SW is a perfect fun family Sci/Fi adventure movie. It needed to be left alone in the first place and needs nothing more. You appreciate it for the art it is. IMO anyways.

It amazes me that as old SW is its still the 1st or 2nd best SW movie by a mile

I did like the updated FX Death Star battle though..

McClunkey !!!

I care about getting the best out of a movie, from visuals to acting. Not sure why some of you are so against an update for selected scenes and all updates on FX. Both OG and new versions can coexist just fine.

If I had my druthers we'd get a full 4K restoration of the original theatrical release and then a second version of the film with no dialogue/Greedo changes but every single outer space shot updated with RO/Mando quality effects. That would be freaking awesome to see.

I?d be down for this. Here is our common ground

A fully Updated Death Star battle would be amazing to see. If it was all left alone except for that it would be my preferred viewing of SW. But I need to have that original cut also just to know its there

I think I would give it a pass as its all FX shots anyways.. No replacing actors / dialogue or original intent of the scene.

The Adawan edition tried that and it was cool at the time but now looks outdated...

I too would want to see this. It would be easy to do as well and I feel like Disney would make BANK on it. I still don?t get how you find the hallway scene fine. That is some of the worst acting in Star Wars with the comedic falling... Whoever made RO Vader hallway scene needs to remake the OT scene shot for shot, just with better visuals/fx and acting.

 

[a-dev]

Couldn?t have said it better. If all we get are TV shows from here on out, fine by me, as long as the story of the ST is not the true end for the Star Wars story. As I?m rewatching the OT, it is just completely unbelievable what these characters turn into. I still can?t comprehend how OG OT lovers accept it.

I think CGI capabilities will only get better and better though. And who knows how much time and money they really spent on it to begin with for a TV show. I think they could pull it off for a whole movie.

And needless to say no TV show or film would be beholden to the existing ST, no laying the groundwork necessary.

Personally I still think it's all a pipedream but it's something I do now wish would happen. If they were never touching the post-ROTJ period at all it'd be easier for me to just mentally decanonize the sequels myself and be happy enough - afterall it's what I've always done with any franchise movie I didn't like. But now, two things are happening - we're getting a decent post-ROTJ show in The Mandalorian and they've just put Luke Skywalker in it, being what we always wanted him to be. That little taste makes it so much much more difficult to accept where the ST says he and everyone else will end up. Can life take bad turns? Yes. However, without showing things in as much explicit detail, they pretty much went full GoT Red wedding with the way they dismantled the hope and promise that the OT was supposed to be about.

Episode IV: A New Hope
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
Episode VII: Psyche! Everything's ****ed up and Worse than ever Before!
Episode VIII: The Lost Will to Live
Episode IX: The New Hope since A New Hope didn't get the job done

 

[jye4ever]

And needless to say no TV show or film would be beholden to the existing ST, no laying the groundwork necessary.

Personally I still think it's all a pipedream but it's something I do now wish would happen. If they were never touching the post-ROTJ period at all it'd be easier for me to just mentally decanonize the sequels myself and be happy enough - afterall it's what I've always done with any franchise movie I didn't like. But now, two things are happening - we're getting a decent post-ROTJ show in The Mandalorian and they've just put Luke Skywalker in it, being what we always wanted him to be. That little taste makes it so much much more difficult to accept where the ST says he and everyone else will end up. Can life take bad turns? Yes. However, without showing things in as much explicit detail, they pretty much went full GoT Red wedding with the way they dismantled the hope and promise that the OT was supposed to be about.

Episode IV: A New Hope
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
Episode VII: Psyche! Everything's ****ed up and Worse than ever Before!
Episode VIII: The Lost Will to Live
Episode IX: The New Hope since A New Hope didn't get the job done

But won’t any conflict you come up with a returning emperor for a new ST still end up usurping the ROTJ victory.

You are not suggesting closing the saga sans emperor are you

Echuta!

 

[a-dev]

It's not just about the victory over the Empire and the Emperor - it's Han and Leia's only child becoming evil and massacring all of Luke's students, becoming complicit in a mass murder atrocity 5 times greater than that of Darth Vader, murdering his father, leaving his mother to die heartbroken, Luke turning his back on everything until the last minute - an accumulation of failures and horror - it's all just too much Jye. Merely having Ford, Hamill and Fisher on screen again was not worth this.

As far as the Empire still being a threat - the old EU had always maintained it as such. I don't think that by itself is a problem that undoes the victory of ROTJ - repetitious for an Episodes 7, 8 and 9 to make it their primary backdrop however - and they weren't fooling anyone by simply renaming it.

 

[TheDucky]

And needless to say no TV show or film would be beholden to the existing ST, no laying the groundwork necessary.

Personally I still think it's all a pipedream but it's something I do now wish would happen. If they were never touching the post-ROTJ period at all it'd be easier for me to just mentally decanonize the sequels myself and be happy enough - afterall it's what I've always done with any franchise movie I didn't like. But now, two things are happening - we're getting a decent post-ROTJ show in The Mandalorian and they've just put Luke Skywalker in it, being what we always wanted him to be. That little taste makes it so much much more difficult to accept where the ST says he and everyone else will end up. Can life take bad turns? Yes. However, without showing things in as much explicit detail, they pretty much went full GoT Red wedding with the way they dismantled the hope and promise that the OT was supposed to be about.

Episode IV: A New Hope
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
Episode VII: Psyche! Everything's ****ed up and Worse than ever Before!
Episode VIII: The Lost Will to Live
Episode IX: The New Hope since A New Hope didn't get the job done

I agree. I know some make the argument of getting this Luke ?softens the blow? for the ST haters, but it never did for me. We got an amazing Luke in a few short moments, being a complete badass and the hero we know he is... and the ST completely missed the mark on him. What could have been is really what I keep asking myself. We should have got this Luke over the span of three movies, not three minutes in a TV show. It probably makes me hate the ST even more. Completely wasted opportunity.

 

[Bravomite]

It's not just about the victory over the Empire and the Emperor - it's the horror of Han and Leia's only child becoming evil and massacring all of Luke's students, becoming complicit in a mass murder atrocity 5 times greater than that of Darth Vader, murdering his father, leaving his mother to die heartbroken, Luke turning his back on everything until the last minute - an accumulation of failures and horror - it's all just too much Jye. Merely having Ford, Hamill and Fisher on screen again was not worth this.

This post is perfection. Every time this endless debate sparks up let this be the final word on it. You're either onboard for that ride or your are not.

We are all here fighting our verbal trench warfare on the ST but in all this time has anyone actually had their mind changed by someone else? It's personal opinion at the end of the day, you either can't stomach them or you lap them up like delicious space walrus green ***** milk yum yum tastes so good. I think the best we can hope for is to perhaps explain our perspective to the 'other side' and bring with that some understanding of our personal hatred / enjoyment of them haha. Certainly AJP, Khev and Jaws (with TROS) have made me appreciate the films more but nothing has made me like them or see them as a necessary continuation of the saga.

i've not read the sacred jedi texts on the world between worlds (page turners they were not... to me) but I can't see them being implemented to wipe away the stink of the ST anytime soon. There are definitely loose connections to the ST sprinkled throughout the Mandalorian and they are presented in such a way (so far) that you can either embrace them or ignore them. Eventually they will pick up steam and wrap more definitively into the ST, perhaps after more of these shows bring the fanbase back around until their hatred of ST is not so severe. It is inevitable.

 

[a-dev]

This post is perfection. Every time this endless debate sparks up let this be the final word on it. Your either onboard for that ride or your are not.

Thanks Bravomite.

The key difference between the PT and ST for me is this

PT - desirable story - badly told but worth considering on its merits however few they may be
ST - undesirable story - could be well told or not - who cares when it's such an undesirable story

Again, this is all easy to say with hindsight. I was as excited as anyone when they announced the ST.
Second caveat - what is desirable is subjective. My posts will not convince anyone who wanted to see the OT heroes broken down and demolished in their senior years for whatever drama could be eked out of that. To each his own I suppose.

 

[abake]

I agree with everything you are saying.. But I think Ducky was saying that they need to remake only "parts of it" and not a full on remake. Kind of like the SE.


I don't agree with his choices at all... I think the hallway scene is fine. I think the chasm swing is fine in its own charming way as it was a tribute to the old serials. I have watched SC38 and its cool for a fan made youtube video but would hate to have it in the original.

Film is what it is.. A product of its time. Everything will be outdated at some point. SW is a perfect fun family Sci/Fi adventure movie. It needed to be left alone in the first place and needs nothing more. You appreciate it for the art it is. IMO anyways.

It amazes me that as old SW is its still the 1st or 2nd best SW movie by a mile

I did like the updated FX Death Star battle though..

McClunkey !!!

Hmm... I think he did say "remake" and change the acting...
No matter.

I would also be fine with updating all of the FX (more so than Lucas already did), but not the actor's actions and acting, which includes (obviously) Vader and Ben's fight.

 

[hellgrammite00]

Thanks Bravomite.

The key difference between the PT and ST for me is this

PT - desirable story - badly told but worth considering on its merits however few they may be
ST - undesirable story - could be well told or not - who cares when it's such an undesirable story
.

I mean this is exactly it. The story of the creation of Darth Vader is something we all wouldn't mind seeing, that fall from grace. Sure, the PTs kind of stink, but its still an interesting story.

The ST was a trilogy not because they had an interesting story to span 3 movies, but because a trilogy makes you more money. ST shouldn't be a trilogy, it creatively doesn't make sense. TFA can stand on its own.

 

[ironwez20]

Couldn?t have said it better. If all we get are TV shows from here on out, fine by me, as long as the story of the ST is not the true end for the Star Wars story. As I?m rewatching the OT, it is just completely unbelievable what these characters turn into. I still can?t comprehend how OG OT lovers accept it.

I think CGI capabilities will only get better and better though. And who knows how much time and money they really spent on it to begin with for a TV show. I think they could pull it off for a whole movie.

It?s funny ducky cause there is an overwhelmingly amount of people online after the mando episode that want ST to be retconned so they can have that hopeful and badass Luke back .

 

[ironwez20]

I mean this is exactly it. The story of the creation of Darth Vader is something we all wouldn't mind seeing, that fall from grace. Sure, the PTs kind of stink, but its still an interesting story.

The ST was a trilogy not because they had an interesting story to span 3 movies, but because a trilogy makes you more money. ST shouldn't be a trilogy, it creatively doesn't make sense. TFA can stand on its own.

But MuH oT NOstaGia! It don?t got jar jar but It HAz LuKE And the others SO DAT MEANs ITs Better.

 

[hellgrammite00]

What is great about the OT

Vader seeing Luke getting electrocuted by the Emperor is film perfection. Vader thought he was alone in the universe. He hasn't had family in his life in decades. Now suddenly he has his son before him crying out in pain for him. Vader, is injured, tired and even somewhat defeated. But he has a moment of actual love and sympathy for Luke. He looks at the emperor, and it finally clicks that the emperor is not been a good father to him, but an evil *******. Then he chucks him. I mean its all layers. The prequels help establish Anakins daddy and mommy issues as well.

Kylo Ren isn't really redeemed in ST. I mean its soap opera fluff with no meaning. It doesn't even fit the lore from movie to movie. Rubbish. Kill your parents, not kill your parents. Kiss the protagonist, not kiss the protagonist.

Just give Chewy a medal, that is all the ST did for SW.

You can like ST, I get that. I just like my Star Wars with good stories and plots, but that is a personal choice I made.