Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[jye4ever]

BEST Love Scene in a Star Wars Movie:

ESB - Han invades Leia's personal space while she's working and, being her superior, forces himself upon her.

You saw what happened to Fett when he invaded Koska's space.

Wars and Trek, PT and ST... it doesn't have to be either/or. Can't we all just get along?

That's all good but that SW Theory guy needs to stop with his RJ trashed Luke Skywalker mantra which makes him look more and more clueless the more he keeps repeating it.

He fuels my rage lol

 

[ironwez20]

Just read it.. Seems more personal and angry then just movie talk.. Maybe its not but I see nothing angry anything recently posted by Khev.. Then Again when I read Khevs posts I imagine his soft soothing bed time story voice.





As far as success... Well that depends on your definition.. ST made more money at the box office.. Even adjusted for inflation. I always hate the money argument anyways.. Die Hard is better then all the ST and PT put together and did not make a fraction of any of the films.

Maybe its on how the fans view the films.. Well two of the three PT films are always rated as the worst SW movies.

Maybe you are talking about what was on screen.. Nope... Its been pointed out again and again what a failure the PT was with its characters and the telling of Anakin's fall..

Only thing successful out of the PT is the cartoon show.. And I wont even credit the films for that.. As TCW was far better then anything the PT had to offer.

Oh and the toys.. Well you got me there.



Stop making me bash on the PT.. I dont even hate it that much

Its no better or worse then the ST... Its just worse in different ways and better in different ways then the ST.

It was IMO just an amazing missed opportunity.. Get the characters right and like it said.. It could have rivaled the OT. But IMO they blew it.. The most important part.

My man the PT is getting continuations and various merch still. Which is what Star Wars is all about first and foremost. Doesn?t matter what was presented on the screen. The fact is that the pt is just more successful. And I?m not making you do anything. You constantly compare it all the time. It?s on your mind constantly it seems.

And you wanna talk about missed opportunity. The DT had literally decades of lore to choose from and pick up from and it fumbled the ball and came out with a rush story. Miss me with that missed opportunity nonsense.

ST could have been great but they decided to cater to OT fanboys and try to sell the movie on its name alone .

 

[jye4ever]

But the PT is continuing not in the way you are describing.

It is the PT that is being rebooted and rewritten not the ST.

GL probably begged Disney to invest and reinvent his PT mess and i'm happy he swallowed his pride and did because i'm looking forward to the PT being reimagined and retold.

Repeat after me the PT is being remade NOT the ST!

 

[ironwez20]

I dont know what to say.. They were on screen plenty together in TFA.. More then Luke and Leia in ANH.. What do you want from me.. Like Luke and Leia they had chemistry



We are told they love each other.. Thats the difference... I mean did you really believe it when Padme finally said "I Truly deeply love you" in AOTC.. Be honest.. We were told she did.. We did not feel it.

We feel that Finn and Rey care for each other.. Its there.. But maybe you have to be told.



I guess I will stop repeating myself and stop trying to explain how its about the acting and the dialogue... If the cast does not feel real or preform well then I am not going to buy it.. Sorry its how it is. Most have said that the cast of the ST did very well with what that had to work with.. The same is not said for the PT actors.. Nope.. they pretty much lowered themselves to what George had written.



Ah nastalgia glasses.. I hope you know that is all you are doing with your teenage love for ROTS

They did have a relationship.. I believed they had grown to care for each other. its there on screen.. How is it not? Watch TFA and tell me how its not. As much as I did not like TFA and TLJ that had nothing to do with Finn and Rey and what they were as characters in the first film. I am not saying they were in love.. I think it would have been a smarter move to have them kiss then Kylo and Rey but I am not saying that they were supposed to be married.. I am saying I believed that they cared more for each other then Anakin and Padme did because the performance and chemistry was not there.

And its not just Rey and Finn. The whole main cast of the ST does a better job then the PT cast.. They just do. At least how I see it. Its what works for me is the cast. Again when I disliked the first two films it was not because of the cast and their acting abilities.

I dont know dude.. Agree to disagree here. Ewan was solid at moments in the PT. Hayden had a couple and Natalie was pretty worthless throughout. But I never once thought there was a real relationship with any of them.



I can only assume you think that I feel they are in love and not friends who care. They are more believable as friends then Anakin and Padme are as lovers or Anakin and Obi wan are as friends.



Well you are arguing with the wrong guy.. I never said that the ST saved Star Wars.. I am not sure anybody has.. The OT was doing just fine before the PT or ST came along. I don't think the PT is the worst thing to happen to SW.. I think it was a missed opportunity. It was my point about the Spider man comparison.. That all.

You and I I think get frustrated at the same thing. I have a hard time accepting anyone bashing on the ST like its the worst thing ever while acting like the PT is leagues ahead of the ST. Not when the PT has just as many bumps and bruises.. Just in different areas.

I would say that the ST has bodily injuries while the PT seems to have head injuries. Only way to explain those performances.

As for Padma and Anakin... You believed they loved each other? That's on you.. its not there on screen.. We are told its how they feel.. Clumsily told at that.. Sure I accept that they were.. I mean they tried to beat us over the head with it..

but I will go back to that line by Padme in AOTC where she professes that she truly deeply loves Anakin.. Nope Did not believe it at all.. In performance, chemistry, or what was shown before.


Well again we agree to disagree.. I will take performance and chemistry over having to be told how the characters feel.

Bro what movie were you watching. They had no chemistry. And again they shared scenes with han. They barely had any alone time together or shared conversations.

You keep saying dialogue this and that but I honestly believe you don?t care about that you just got a hate boner for the PT which is cool it?s fine but let?s not put down the PT and prop up the ST your really just contradicting your argument.

The dialogue in the ST isn?t groundbreaking it?s pretty much just as bad.

Did you shut your brain off for half these films? Dude says when you looked at me you looked at me like no one else did. Again she beat the dude with a stick when they first met. But o yea that gets a pass. Lol

Please don?t say I have nostalgia goggles on. I can say what the flaws are for ROTS I?ve done so many times. So idk what the hell your talking about when you say that cause I will say straight up it has flaws. But I won?t tolerate the bashing while propping up the ST which you do. So of course I?m coming for ya. You think you can say whatever and not get challenged on it? Come on .


But I agree with you . Padme abd anakin was hard to watch . I skip over it all the time . It?s poorly written. Badly acted . Aotc is meh to me. Worst of the PT. A huge cgi fest and I can due without it .


You know what. Me and you are the same in a way. The first two prequels I enjoyed bits of but I didn?t care for them to much til ROTS abd it all worked for me. It just felt like everything was leading up to this movie and it felt different from the others and took more risk .

 

[ironwez20]

But the PT is continuing not in the way you are describing.

It is the PT that is being rebooted and rewritten not the ST.

GL probably begged Disney to invest and reinvent his PT mess and i'm happy he did because i'm looking forward to the PT being reimagined and retold.

Repeat after me the PT is being remade NOT the ST!

Lol huh? The shows that are coming out revolves around PT characters or before the PT?s timeline not during the PT. Also OT movies and shows are coming to . Meanwhile there is no mention of ST content coming except some silly lego movie . Try again. Idk where the hell you got that from. I don?t think ST will be retconned but I believe they will change its history

 

[ironwez20]

Wars and Trek, PT and ST... it doesn't have to be either/or. Can't we all just get along?

I wish but it seems like The PT is on the ST fans minds 24/7. Sometimes the stuff they say can?t be let go lol. Like I enter the thread and here are the same 4 people bashing the PT. Comparing the two. It?s like damn if you hate it so much why you always comparing the two .

They both suck in there own way but thanks to ROTS the PT sucks waaaaaaaay less

 

[Khev]

But the PT is continuing not in the way you are describing.

It is the PT that is being rebooted and rewritten not the ST.

GL probably begged Disney to invest and reinvent his PT mess and i'm happy he swallowed his pride and did because i'm looking forward to the PT being reimagined and retold.

Repeat after me the PT is being remade NOT the ST!

Great point the ST is perfect as is while the PT is slowly but surely being remade into The Rise of Ahsoka and Baby Grogu's Escape with the real story of Anakin and Obi-Wan will be told in the Obi-Wan series. Long live the PT retcon!

Reporter: "Would you like to come back to Star Wars?"

Daisy Ridley: "Nah my character's arc was perfect and so satisfying, there's nothing to be improved upon."

 

[jye4ever]

Great point the ST is perfect as is while the PT is slowly but surely being remade into The Rise of Ahsoka and Baby Grogu's Escape with the real story of Anakin and Obi-Wan will be told in the Obi-Wan series. Long live the PT retcon!

Reporter: "Would you like to come back to Star Wars?"

Daisy Ridley: "Nah my character's arc was perfect and so satisfying, there's nothing to be improved upon."

There really is nothing to change with Rey

I literally want only 2 changes in the ST ok make it 3.

1. Space leia removed in the TLJ SE
2. Ackbar replacing Holdo sacrifice in the TLJ SE
3. Finn force power being acknowledged in the TROS SE

Done! All minor stuff anyways. There is probably more than 3 but I'm tired right now lol

Now back to the PT reboot it will require plenty of flashbacks maybe more than what they are willing to do but then again with the SLJ rumor it's possible that is what they are planning to do. But it can also be accomplished without flashbacks if need be that is the beauty of it.

Just look at the wonders 30 seconds of flashback footage did for the Super Battle Droid in season 1 that thing was a downright scary terminator not a goofy rabbit.

 

[JAWS]

Bro what movie were you watching. They had no chemistry. And again they shared scenes with han. They barely had any alone time together or shared conversations.

Again I don't know what to say.. It felt more like they cared about each other the listening to Anakin and Padme talk about politics in a field. It just did.

You keep saying dialogue this and that but I honestly believe you don?t care about that you just got a hate boner for the PT which is cool it?s fine but let?s not put down the PT and prop up the ST your really just contradicting your argument.

I was not bashing the PT to prop up the ST this last time.. Jye brought up the Spider-man character thing and I agreed. The PT biggest issue is its actor's performances.. I bring up the dialogue because Have to assume that capable actors just had a hard time saying those awful lines. Or they are just awful actors.. I dont think that is the case. Their track record proves its not.. So I blame the script.

The dialogue in the ST isn?t groundbreaking it?s pretty much just as bad.

Nope.. Go to the worst lines in SW history thread.. its all PT.. I even stayed away from quoting PT stuff in that thread and focused on OT and ST because PT is such an easy target.. If the lines are just as bad in the ST.. Well then its just yet another testament to how much better the actors must be because they dont come across like pieces of wood.

Even the "They fly now" line which is your go too is at least delivered well.

Did you shut your brain off for half these films? Dude says when you looked at me you looked at me like no one else did. Again she beat the dude with a stick when they first met. But o yea that gets a pass. Lol

I'll have to watch that moment again when he says that.. I don't recall if that is what he is referring too.. Meaning the first time they met.. If it is.. Its a dumb line.. Yet delivered so much better then anything romantic that Anakin says to Padme.

Please don?t say I have nostalgia goggles on. I can say what the flaws are for ROTS I?ve done so many times. So idk what the hell your talking about when you say that cause I will say straight up it has flaws. But I won?t tolerate the bashing while propping up the ST which you do. So of course I?m coming for ya. You think you can say whatever and not get challenged on it? Come on .

You want to call out the ST for not having a plan and for TROS retconing TLJ or Haldo, or Rose. I will agree with you.. you want to say that the PT acting and line delivery is as solid as the ST.. I dont know what to say to you. I dont agree. Not even a little

But I agree with you . Padme abd anakin was hard to watch . I skip over it all the time . It?s poorly written. Badly acted . Aotc is meh to me. Worst of the PT. A huge cgi fest and I can due without it .

Common ground.

You know what. Me and you are the same in a way. The first two prequels I enjoyed bits of but I didn?t care for them to much til ROTS abd it all worked for me. It just felt like everything was leading up to this movie and it felt different from the others and took more risk

look Ironwez I dont hate the PT.. I hate the performances and what they did to some of my fav characters. I find it terribly frustrating. The ST is not as much of a missed opportunity in my eyes because I never wanted it nor felt the need for it. I wanted a PT. I wanted to see a great tale about the fall of Anakin Skywalker. To see the adventures that he and Obi wan would have and how that friendship bond would eventually be destroyed. To see the rise of the Empire. I think George just failed in doing it justice. Its there but not done well IMO.. Better performances might still have been able to save that for me. I come to that conclusion because the performances are the one thing that keeps me interested in the ST.. Had Kylo been played by Hayden the same way he preformed Anakin and Rey been like Padme in her performance.. I would probably never watch it again.

That is where the PT tops the ST.. Because even with the bad performances I still return to it.

As is I still find all the PT to be a somewhat easy watch (Well not AOTC). But its could have and should have been so much more.. There is an Epic story there to be told and Lucas did not deliver.. Some may say my expectations were not meant.. I say I just wanted quality.

As for ROTS taking more of a risk.. Maybe I would have felt that way if I didn't know how it would all end.. I did think it was a risk having Anakin kill younglings.. But actually now that time has passed its a scene I have issues with.


Either way neither of us are going to agree on this.. If you want to create a PT appreciation thread I promise I will post nothing but nice things there

 

[Prime Clone]

That's all good but that SW Theory guy needs to stop with his RJ trashed Luke Skywalker mantra which makes him look more and more clueless the more he keeps repeating it.

He fuels my rage lol

I just picked up the Apocalypse Now Final Cut 4K on sale on iTunes. It reminded me of Lucas' links with Coppola at the time - and how Luke was always intended to become a Kurtz-like recluse in the ST.

 

[JAWS]

It is the PT that is being rebooted and rewritten not the ST.

I know that the PT fans wont admit that but the PT has been being "remade" ever since TCW came on TV. That is where are the history and lore is coming from. Where all the great characters were. Where we got to see the Anakin and Obi Wan friendship and adventures.

Looks like they will be possibly doing the same with the Obi Wan series.

The Bad Batch.. TCW.
Ahsoka show.. TCW.


Its not really a retcon but it is a way of remaking what was missed.

I am all for it. Anything to help me like the PT more the better.


As for not touching the ST.. I dont know what there is to touch.. 1st anything that comes before (fall of Ben solo) would require the original cast.. Cant be done.

I would welcome TCW style animation stories of that though.. Might be considered to dark. IDK I would be all for it.

And the First order was really fully destroyed in TROS. So no real tales to tell after those events.

And in all honesty I dont know if the interest would be there... Its hard to say... There is no way of telling until Disney makes the move.

I do agree that it seems that Disney is hesitant to mess with anything ST related. Other then nods we got in the Mando show and the Lego Holiday special there has been nothing.

 

[TheDucky]

 

[Khev]

We're the new Suicide Squad, lol.

 

[Khev]

Ducky even the art in your sig makes it look like Ahsoka is the hero of the PT, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Did you guys watch Grace new video on WW84 where she goes on a rant on how RJ ruined Luke i'm not kidding lol

 

[Khev]

She's trying to get back into the good graces of all the Doomcockers calling her out for her Fake News Mando Drama, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

:iol

Doomcockers lol

Now this is a weird easter egg I mean really out there Oscar Isaac has confirmed that JF and DF asked him to be one of pirates in the transport chase episode but only in the end credits drawings.

Umm ok

Something is odd there. Is that supposed to be Poe's father. But all the pirates were aliens right. It doesn't even matter because he is only over the end credits...or is he.

Is it because he is on a skiff they fly now.

Bizarre.

 

[Khev]

Just a fun little reminder from F&F that all paths lead to the ST.

 

[jye4ever]

Holy crap they have him TWICE look in the background lol

It's just a copy of the foreground image.

So freaking weird.

Next week we will learn that Klaud had a cameo as a stormtrooper.

 

[Khev]

In the end credits art for the Krayt episode they had Orlando Bloom.