Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[ironwez20]

ironwez you and I have better chemistry than PT Anakin and Obi-Wan did, lol.

This I agree on lol

 

[JAWS]

ironwez you and I have better chemistry than PT Anakin and Obi-Wan did, lol.

No they don?t ..... the main gripe is how the hell does Rey even know poe. Stop. I?m starting to think the PT angers you guys cause

The point is they have more chemistry and are more believable.. Yep even in less screen time... It was done better because of better acting and dialogue and just plane ol screen chemistry.

2. You seem mad and confused it?s more accepted than ST abd this seems to peeve you so you point out these flaws that are also in the ST but are waaaaaay worse . Ducky and many others keep shutting you down . It?s funny

This quote seems way more mad and confused then anything khev has recently wrote

 

[Wor-Gar]

Took me like 5 min to understand what Wor-Gar was saying..

I thought she was putting a tissue up to her nose at first and not eating a cracker

Its funny because the crying infant chills instantly with one small bite of cracker.

 

[JAWS]

Sighhhhh. Cracks fingers.

this seems more like someone else posting.

Finn and Rey had even less screen time than anakin and obiwan? What are you talking about?
The dude barely knows her. When they first met she attacks him. At the end of the first film he is unconscious and at the end of TLJ they hug . What? No. You woke up? O wow your ok. Nothing. Just a hug not even a surprised look. And still it?s forced. They shared no chemistry. Finn has a crush but it?s like he?s never seen a girl before. He followed her like some idiot who?s never gotten laid.

They dont get along at first and then have a bond and then he saves her and then they are split up and then see each other and at the end of TLJ. Which had more emotion in it then anything Obi Wan and Anakin or Anakin and Padme shared on screen.

That?s more believable then two jedi who have been in the trenches together to you? We?ve seen these two interact for THREE films and a tv show which elevated the emotion.

Dude I cant help it that the the "suggested relationship" that Obi Wan and Anakin had was not transferred to the screen.

But you got more out of a forced hug between strangers? They have literally no scenes except together. Rey and kylo were closer than Finn and Rey.

They were far from strangers.. In fact i would say because of TFA Finn and Rey had more character development with each other then Anakin and Obi wan had.. And felt more like a real couple then two that were supposed to be in love with Anakin and Padme..

I mean how funny is it that Finn and Rey who were not even a couple had more love between them then the freaking main characters in the PT

Damn I know y?all hate the PT but this blind capping has got to stop. Opnions are opinions but don?t fault the other when the other does it just as bad if not worse.

You do the same thing... But here its it not about blindly bashing on the PT.. The acting and characters are wooden at best.. this is not something I am just now making up.. Its evereyone's main gripe about the PT..

Other then you and an a few others I have never really heard about complaints of acting or on screen chemistry between the cast of the ST.

In fact I have said in this very thread that had the PT cast had the acting chops / chemistry of the ST then the PT would easily blow away the ST.. And if the ST had the wooden acting and goofy dialogue of the PT I would be rooting for a reboot with the rest of you.

Like seriously friends? There relationship is a joke. Dude barely knows that girl and talks about when you looked at me you looked at me when nobody else has for the first time.

Dont get me started on the barley knows a girl argument... Ummm Anakin.. Ummmmmm Padme.. OMG dude stop... you are embarrassing yourself.

She literally accused you of being a thief and beat u with a stick.

Did you just stop watching the film after that scene???

 

[jye4ever]

ironwez you and I have better chemistry than PT Anakin and Obi-Wan did, lol.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Its called.... Khevistry.

 

[ironwez20]

This quote seems way more mad and confused then anything khev has recently wrote

Lol how? You guys always bring up the PT and say how bad it is and ignore the ST flaws. It?s damn funny actually. Also the PT is more successful than the PT so I?m good

 

[Wor-Gar]

Also the PT is more successful than the PT so I?m good

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I will give you that the PT is better than the PT, but is sucks compared to the PT.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[JAWS]

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I hate when that happens.

 

[JAWS]

Lol how? You guys always bring up the PT and say how bad it is and ignore the ST flaws. It?s damn funny actually. Also the PT is more successful than the PT so I?m good

Just read it.. Seems more personal and angry then just movie talk.. Maybe its not but I see nothing angry anything recently posted by Khev.. Then Again when I read Khevs posts I imagine his soft soothing bed time story voice.

2. You seem mad and confused it?s more accepted than ST abd this seems to peeve you so you point out these flaws that are also in the ST but are waaaaaay worse . Ducky and many others keep shutting you down . It?s funny

As far as success... Well that depends on your definition.. ST made more money at the box office.. Even adjusted for inflation. I always hate the money argument anyways.. Die Hard is better then all the ST and PT put together and did not make a fraction of any of the films.

Maybe its on how the fans view the films.. Well two of the three PT films are always rated as the worst SW movies.

Maybe you are talking about what was on screen.. Nope... Its been pointed out again and again what a failure the PT was with its characters and the telling of Anakin's fall..

Only thing successful out of the PT is the cartoon show.. And I wont even credit the films for that.. As TCW was far better then anything the PT had to offer.

Oh and the toys.. Well you got me there.



Stop making me bash on the PT.. I dont even hate it that much

Its no better or worse then the ST... Its just worse in different ways and better in different ways then the ST.

It was IMO just an amazing missed opportunity.. Get the characters right and like it said.. It could have rivaled the OT. But IMO they blew it.. The most important part.

 

[ironwez20]

this seems more like someone else posting.




They dont get along at first and then have a bond and then he saves her and then they are split up and then see each other and at the end of TLJ. Which had more emotion in it then anything Obi Wan and Anakin or Anakin and Padme shared on screen.



Dude I cant help it that the the "suggested relationship" that Obi Wan and Anakin had was not transferred to the screen.



They were far from strangers.. In fact i would say because of TFA Finn and Rey had more character development with each other then Anakin and Obi wan had.. And felt more like a real couple then two that were supposed to be in love with Anakin and Padme..

I mean how funny is it that Finn and Rey who were not even a couple had more love between them then the freaking main characters in the PT



You do the same thing... But here its it not about blindly bashing on the PT.. The acting and characters are wooden at best.. this is not something I am just now making up.. Its evereyone's main gripe about the PT..

Other then you and an a few others I have never really heard about complaints of acting or on screen chemistry between the cast of the ST.



Dont get me started on the barley knows a girl argument... Ummm Anakin.. Ummmmmm Padme.. OMG dude stop... you are embarrassing yourself.



Did you just stop watching the film after that scene???

Yoooo come on son. You clearly believe that is development. I got nothing from them. Finn barely knows that girl

Yes keep bringing up padme. But they had scenes ALONE together. Cringy scenes yes but still it was believable they loved each other. Rey pretty much doesn?t care about Finn and is about kylo. Finn follows her like a simp the whole franchise and she doesn?t even like him.

Again you keep bringing up the padme abd anakin dynamic but the ST does the same abd it?s poorly done. You yourself believe it?s done well but that?s on you . It wasn?t in the end. It was just like if not worse than the PT.

I?m embarrassing myself?

My man the fact that you honestly believe Finn and Rey had a relationship is embarrassing. You say tros tied everything together so you didn?t like these movies before so surely you must of seen at a time what everyone else saw before u put your nostalgia goggles on.

So what if they see eachother at the end of TLJ. They still barely know each other. They shared no intimate moments, no connection and always shared a scene with han throughout the movie. She barely even tries to stop him when he leaves.

**** I don?t even think she mentioned the guys name the entirety of TLJ. She pretty much forgot.

Stop my guy lol. Anakin and padme wasnt told the best. And I admit it?s wooden. I can accept that but what I won?t accept is a very very verrrrrry small minority saying how the PT is the worst thing to happen and the ST saved Star Wars and is leagues ahead of the PT. This is false. The relationship was rushed but I still believed they loved eachother and it was a sappy love story. But I still could see they loved eachother.

Yes it could of been told better but it was believable. I didn?t believe for a second that Finn, Rey and poe were best of friends who would die for each other.

One was a simp, the other was all over kylo abd the other barely even knew who Rey was before tros

 

[ironwez20]

Just read it.. Seems more personal and angry then just movie talk.. Maybe its not but I see nothing angry anything recently posted by Khev.. Then Again when I read Khevs posts I imagine his soft soothing bed time story voice.

I?m not mad and it?s not personal. I?m just spitting facts you don?t like. Of course khev?s post seem more calm and relaxing to you cause you agree with what he?s saying and aren?t arguing against him. I?m not going all out I?m just having a conversation. I didn?t call names or insult anyone.

 

[a-dev]

Yep, agreed on all of the above and it boggles the mind that George chose the path for those two characters that he did.



Instead of:

TPM: Who is this annoying kid
AOTC: Know your place padawan/I swear you will be the death of me
ROTS: Goodbye old friend/I loved you

Huh?

And on a completely unrelated note I know the conversation has moved on from the ST/Alien 3 comparison but my point with all of that wasn't to somehow make you like or even appreciate the ST with such a comparison (since nothing anyone could have said in the mid-90's could have changed my irritation with what A3 did) but rather to maybe shed light on *why* I personally (and assumedly other ST fans as well) *am* able to appreciate the ST. No it isn't the story I would have chosen to tell but now that we have it I can step back and say "wow, that is actually pretty amazing for what it is." And like A3 since so many people just dismiss it out of hand it's even kind of fun to be in the seemingly less vocal club that does appreciate it.

I'm sorry for my behaviour, Khev. It's not my place to disagree with you about the ST. And I am grateful you think I'm ready to take the trials.

 

[Khev]

She literally accused you of being a thief and beat u with a stick.

Did you just stop watching the film after that scene???

Its called.... Khevistry.

Also the PT is more successful than the PT so I?m good

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Great stuff all around, lol.

 

[Khev]

I'm sorry for my behaviour, Khev. It's not my place to disagree with you about the ST. And I am grateful you think I'm ready to take the trials.

You are headstrong and have much to learn about the living Canon, but you are capable. There is little more you will learn from me.

 

[a-dev]

You are headstrong and have much to learn about the living Canon, but you are capable. There is little more you will learn from me.

 

[JAWS]

Yoooo come on son. You clearly believe that is development. I got nothing from them. Finn barely knows that girl

I dont know what to say.. They were on screen plenty together in TFA.. More then Luke and Leia in ANH.. What do you want from me.. Like Luke and Leia they had chemistry

Yes keep bringing up padme. But they had scenes ALONE together. Cringy scenes yes but still it was believable they loved each other. Rey pretty much doesn?t care about Finn and is about kylo. Finn follows her like a simp the whole franchise and she doesn?t even like him.

We are told they love each other.. Thats the difference... I mean did you really believe it when Padme finally said "I Truly deeply love you" in AOTC.. Be honest.. We were told she did.. We did not feel it.

We feel that Finn and Rey care for each other.. Its there.. But maybe you have to be told.

Again you keep bringing up the padme abd anakin dynamic but the ST does the same abd it?s poorly done. You yourself believe it?s done well but that?s on you . It wasn?t in the end. It was just like if not worse than the PT.

I guess I will stop repeating myself and stop trying to explain how its about the acting and the dialogue... If the cast does not feel real or preform well then I am not going to buy it.. Sorry its how it is. Most have said that the cast of the ST did very well with what that had to work with.. The same is not said for the PT actors.. Nope.. they pretty much lowered themselves to what George had written.

I?m embarrassing myself?

My man the fact that you honestly believe Finn and Rey had a relationship is embarrassing. You say tros tied everything together so you didn?t like these movies before so surely you must of seen at a time what everyone else saw before u put your nostalgia goggles on.

Ah nastalgia glasses.. I hope you know that is all you are doing with your teenage love for ROTS

They did have a relationship.. I believed they had grown to care for each other. its there on screen.. How is it not? Watch TFA and tell me how its not. As much as I did not like TFA and TLJ that had nothing to do with Finn and Rey and what they were as characters in the first film. I am not saying they were in love.. I think it would have been a smarter move to have them kiss then Kylo and Rey but I am not saying that they were supposed to be married.. I am saying I believed that they cared more for each other then Anakin and Padme did because the performance and chemistry was not there.

And its not just Rey and Finn. The whole main cast of the ST does a better job then the PT cast.. They just do. At least how I see it. Its what works for me is the cast. Again when I disliked the first two films it was not because of the cast and their acting abilities.

I dont know dude.. Agree to disagree here. Ewan was solid at moments in the PT. Hayden had a couple and Natalie was pretty worthless throughout. But I never once thought there was a real relationship with any of them.

So what if they see each other at the end of TLJ. They still barely know each other. They shared no intimate moments, no connection and always shared a scene with han throughout the movie. She barely even tries to stop him when he leaves.

**** I don?t even think she mentioned the guys name the entirety of TLJ. She pretty much forgot.

I can only assume you think that I feel they are in love and not friends who care. They are more believable as friends then Anakin and Padme are as lovers or Anakin and Obi wan are as friends.

Stop my guy lol. Anakin and padme wasnt told the best. And I admit it?s wooden. I can accept that but what I won?t accept is a very very verrrrrry small minority saying how the PT is the worst thing to happen and the ST saved Star Wars and is leagues ahead of the PT. This is false. The relationship was rushed but I still believed they loved eachother and it was a sappy love story. But I still could see they loved eachother.

Well you are arguing with the wrong guy.. I never said that the ST saved Star Wars.. I am not sure anybody has.. The OT was doing just fine before the PT or ST came along. I don't think the PT is the worst thing to happen to SW.. I think it was a missed opportunity. It was my point about the Spider man comparison.. That all.

You and I I think get frustrated at the same thing. I have a hard time accepting anyone bashing on the ST like its the worst thing ever while acting like the PT is leagues ahead of the ST. Not when the PT has just as many bumps and bruises.. Just in different areas.

I would say that the ST has bodily injuries while the PT seems to have head injuries. Only way to explain those performances.

As for Padma and Anakin... You believed they loved each other? That's on you.. its not there on screen.. We are told its how they feel.. Clumsily told at that.. Sure I accept that they were.. I mean they tried to beat us over the head with it..

but I will go back to that line by Padme in AOTC where she professes that she truly deeply loves Anakin.. Nope Did not believe it at all.. In performance, chemistry, or what was shown before.

Yes it could of been told better but it was believable. I didn?t believe for a second that Finn, Rey and poe were best of friends who would die for each other.

Well again we agree to disagree.. I will take performance and chemistry over having to be told how the characters feel.

 

[Wor-Gar]

BEST Love Scene in a Star Wars Movie:

ESB - Han invades Leia's personal space while she's working and, being her superior, forces himself upon her.

 

[Prime Clone]

Wars and Trek, PT and ST... it doesn't have to be either/or. Can't we all just get along?