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Yeah its just weird.. Like if Daisy never said that he would still like it.

Listening to them talking about Mando having links to the ST. The one guy likes the idea.. But SWT guy does not..

One guy says it will help the ST be more cool (Which is how I feel) and he is saying its what TCW did for a lot of fans with the PT (me for sure)

But boy he hates TLJ.. He is going off on it right now.. :lol

If they do go down the road of tying The Mandalorian to the ST in any meaningful way(which I still doubt happens, especially after the fan reaction to season 2 finale) it could only help as there is no direction to go but up. The problem is they will lose a ton of people like me who don't want The Mandalorian used and tainted in that way. The ST is simply unsalvageable.

Plus for a guy like Favreau, I don't really see an upside to him helping "the other faction" at Lucasfilm and risking his growing rabid core fanbase. They are currently trying to do a MCU-esque thing with four connected tv shows running concurrently. Not a good idea to tick off the fans who are supporting you the most.
 
Suuuuure she is. Probably hates him now since him and Jon saved the franchise where she left it in darkness.


Im just going on what the video was saying.

I am not a KK supporter. But if she greenlit and fought for TCW season 7.. Well that is one way to get a feather back in your cap.
 
If they do go down the road of tying The Mandalorian to the ST in any meaningful way(which I still doubt happens, especially after the fan reaction to season 2 finale) it could only help as there is no direction to go but up. The problem is they will lose a ton of people like me who don't want The Mandalorian used and tainted in that way. The ST is simply unsalvageable.

Plus for a guy like Favreau, I don't really see an upside to him helping "the other faction" at Lucasfilm and risking his growing rabid core fanbase. They are currently trying to do a MCU-esque thing with four connected tv shows running concurrently. Not a good idea to tick off the fans who are supporting you the most.

I guess I look at it like this.

I really did not like the PT for a long time.. Then things started happening with the the Cartoons and movies were it started to expand the world of the PT and it helped me enjoy them and accept them. I am thankful for all that. I am glad I can think of it as one big universe. If some of the newer shows can tie in some stuff to fill in some blanks for the ST and make it a bit cooler and more acceptable I would think others would be open to that.

You have such a cold heart Turd :lol
 
:lol :lol :lol

All right in three minutes I'm going to change how everyone see's Luke's exile in TLJ.

Here goes:

Uh, he was on the island cause, uh there were secrets that Yoda's spirit wasn't telling him and spirits can only be summoned by the power of green milk and...

...and the milk was only green because it was imbued with green Yoda's Force energy. DUH! I thought that was obvious. Are you telling me WE were the only ones to catch that??? :slap

:wink1:
 
Well saving Padme was part of it..

I mean he stopped Mace but not for the reason SWT tried to say it was for.. It was not because it was the jedi way.. It was because he wanted to save Padme and Palps had that info... I am sure he saw some hypocrisy in Mace and the whole "jedi way" but he did not seem to have too much guilt about killing Count D.

No he killed Mace and then had no where else to go. So he went Dark.

problem is he went from 0 to 100. Hero to killing kids... That was a bit jarring

Of course his mother dying and his treatment by the Jedi order had something to do with his turn. I mean what a **** move by Obi Wan t never offer to go check in on his mom.

But the things is.. It was all told poorly. The emotional punch was missing. Every step of the way.

Its why we needed TCW series to help us feel more and believe more. As just three films it never felt real.

I am sure SWT guy has read many books and comics and has added plenty of his own head canon to help him accept all this.. I have no issue with that at all.

I just dont agree with him... Its going to take a lot more then three minutes of made up theories and playing Captain obvious to convince me that the turn was done well.

What I meant was he said that bonkers Anakin was upset because he couldn't get into the Jedi order restricted section to get the info on how to save Padme!!

I am still lol once ajp picked that out I didn't hear at first because he said it so fast.
 
What I meant was he said that bonkers Anakin was upset because he couldn't get into the Jedi order restricted section to get the info on how to save Padme!!

I am still lol once ajp picked that out I didn't hear at first because he said it so fast.

Gotcha

Anakin was mad that he couldn't go into the Jedi Order's teacher's lounge, lol.

:lol :lol :lol
 
I guess I look at it like this.

I really did not like the PT for a long time.. Then things started happening with the the Cartoons and movies were it started to expand the world of the PT and it helped me enjoy them and accept them. I am thankful for all that. I am glad I can think of it as one big universe. If some of the newer shows can tie in some stuff to fill in some blanks for the ST and make it a bit cooler and more acceptable I would think others would be open to that.

You have such a cold heart Turd :lol

What don’t you understand?

There is no redeeming the ST for many. None. It all turns to **** and they can never ever change that without the retcon. If The Mando goes down the path of the ST, I hope it gets cancelled.

I hope every single ST related movie, item, idea fail miserably.
 
I guess I look at it like this.

I really did not like the PT for a long time.. Then things started happening with the the Cartoons and movies were it started to expand the world of the PT and it helped me enjoy them and accept them. I am thankful for all that. I am glad I can think of it as one big universe. If some of the newer shows can tie in some stuff to fill in some blanks for the ST and make it a bit cooler and more acceptable I would think others would be open to that.

You have such a cold heart Turd :lol

:lol it is what it is. The ST wasn't just a bad trilogy of movies, it was a deconstructive attack on the OT. I have not doubted this since TLJ, but I think the Hidalgo comments have opened some eyes. Kennedy and the people she hired hate the OT. Their dirty little secret isn't a secret anymore.
 
What don’t you understand?

There is no redeeming the ST for many. None. It all turns to **** and they can never ever change that without the retcon. If The Mando goes down the path of the ST, I hope it gets cancelled.

I hope every single ST related movie, item, idea fail miserably.

Well... I use to feel the same way about the PT.. Too bad you are so close minded.
 
Anakin was mad that he couldn't go into the Jedi Order's teacher's lounge, lol.

He was also P.O.'d that Kate Mara wasn't his teacher.

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:lol it is what it is. The ST wasn't just a bad trilogy of movies, it was a deconstructive attack on the OT. I have not doubted this since TLJ, but I think the Hidalgo comments have opened some eyes. Kennedy and the people she hired hate the OT. Their dirty little secret isn't a secret anymore.

I guess. I feel bad for you guys if they do go down the path of tying in the ST to the new SW content like Mando and other shows.

I think there is such a large amount of time between the ROTJ and TFA that whatever they do tie in will not be that huge of a deal.. Just winks and nods.. I don't see how they can do that much more unless Mando series goes on for 20 seasons :lol
 
Well... I use to feel the same way about the PT.. Too bad you are so close minded.

Yep. Not only did the PT **** on awesome OT characters but George actually retroactively inserted that crap *into* the OT! ST haters are such sissies. At least you guys can easily ignore that trilogy and call it a day. Imagine if the only available OT had smiling Rey appearing at the end or General Hux's voice dubbed over Boba Fett because that's what *we* had to deal with ya bunch of whiners. ;)
 
You must not understand how Youtube works if you actually are mad about the title. Clearly far too old to understand what goes into getting clicks. It has nothing to do with ego. Geez man. This is just sad that you are this out of touch.

Thank you for pointing that out to me, young fella. It's not like I've actually watched him before and seen him get full of himself and his brilliant theories or anything.

Nothing from the Opera scene contradicts his stance. Anakin wanted to become a master to save those he loved from dying. In fact, the opera scene is genius in Anakin?s turn. It makes Anakin think about who the Jedi really are. He claims they are selfless, he claims they help people, but you can see the doubt in his delivery and performance, you can see the realization taking place and Anakin realizes the Jedi aren?t these things. They didn?t help his mother, they aren?t willing to help Padme. Your interpretation of the line is missed. When Palpatine says ?not from a Jedi? Palpatine doesn?t mean the Jedi don?t know this power, he means that Jedi won?t teach it to Anakin... because they never were willing to help him with really anything. And so Anakin, after all these years of not getting help, realizes that the dark side, that joining the Sith, would lead him to discovering these powers, that he would be able to learn these powers going down a new path.

So, is it your point of view that Palpatine is saying that the Plaguies-related power to keep someone from dying is something the Jedi know about?

Or are you claiming that Palps is suggesting that the Jedi know some other separate power, but only let those ranked as Jedi Master learn it?

Keep in mind that Anakin had seen Jedi die with actual Jedi Masters in the area. None of them used this "secret ability" to prevent the deaths. I'd love to know where you're getting this interpretation from.

And it is ridiculous to say that it would eliminate his resentment towards the Jedi/council. He blames them for the death of his mother. They had the power to save her from slavery and never did.

What I said was that Anakin would no longer resent them for withholding knowledge of a secret power to keep people from dying. Any resentment about other things is something I never touched on, so no clue why you're adding that in here.

Sith gain their power from passion, dark side twists the mind, it is made clear in the movie Anakin is being consumed. I don?t know how/why you choose to ignore this.

The Anakin in the Opera scene is not the same Anakin that is on Mustafar. Surely you must know this.

On Mustafar he shouldn't be as far gone down the dark side seduction as he'd be in ROTJ, and yet he still chose to end Palps to save his son. Twenty years earlier I'm supposed to believe that he goes from turning Palpatine in as being the secret Sith to slaughtering younglings and choking his "beloved" wife?

I can accept a gradual dark turn, but it would need to be set up better in the actual films. Anakin goes from praising Obi-Wan as a father to wanting to kill him in, what, a single day? Do you not see how the slaughter of younglings would be irredeemable? And he got to that point *that* quickly?

You don't accept that 30 years is enough for Luke to go from OT hero to grief-stricken exile; but 5 minutes is enough for Anakin to go from good-hearted Jedi, husband, and father-to-be all the way to child killer and wife choker? A turn that dramatic in the same day?

I get that dark side temptation puts you on a dark path that you might not ever get away from. I actually do understand that, and like it as a story element. But I think it would've been better storytelling in ROTS if that path was longer than my driveway. ;)

Anakin was resisting the dark side (no matter what hangups he had about his mom or the Council) just before turning. Then he just went with it, for Padme's sake. Then he choked her out. And after learning of losing Padme, he still went with it. I think it could've been handled/told better. A lot better. But I'm 44 years old, so you must think it's just senility. Have pity on me, young one. I was watching these PT movies when you were still just TheDuckling.
 
:lol it is what it is. The ST wasn't just a bad trilogy of movies, it was a deconstructive attack on the OT. I have not doubted this since TLJ, but I think the Hidalgo comments have opened some eyes. Kennedy and the people she hired hate the OT. Their dirty little secret isn't a secret anymore.

Wait so Lucas chose KK to head Lucasfilm so that she could destroy his own creation.

Or are you saying he didn't know this dirty secret of hers even after working with her for decades.

Was Spielberg also not aware of her devious plan or did he know and kept it fom Lucas as this was going to be his jealous revenge.

KK really sucks at destroying SW since she is still an executive while Mando exists.
 
Wait so Lucas chose KK to head Lucasfilm so that she could destroy his own creation.

Or are you saying he didn't know this dirty secret of hers even after working with her for decades.

Was Spielberg also now aware of her devious plan or did he know and kept or from Lucas as this was going to he his revenge.

I think he's saying that she's completely schizophrenic and tried to destroy the OT with the ST while simultaneously propping it up with RO and Solo, lol.
 
Yep. Not only did the PT **** on awesome OT characters but George actually retroactively inserted that crap *into* the OT! ST haters are such sissies. At least you guys can easily ignore that trilogy and call it a day. Imagine if the only available OT had smiling Rey appearing at the end or General Hux's voice dubbed over Boba Fett because that's what *we* had to deal with ya bunch of whiners. ;)

PT never **** on any OT characters. George only improved upon the OT. If only Ewan was the force ghost at the end.... Anyways, that is just your entitlement and anger talking since you didn’t get your made up imagined versions of the characters portrayed on screen.

You call us sissies, but who is crying and complaining 20 years later?

Biggest babies the world. Notice I don’t sit here day in and day out posting about how awful the ST is? Or making fun of it every single day? Yet a bunch of you do it with the PT, even on holidays!

PTDS!
 
Thank you for pointing that out to me, young fella. It's not like I've actually watched him before and seen him get full of himself and his brilliant theories or anything.



So, is it your point of view that Palpatine is saying that the Plaguies-related power to keep someone from dying is something the Jedi know about?

Or are you claiming that Palps is suggesting that the Jedi know some other separate power, but only let those ranked as Jedi Master learn it?

Keep in mind that Anakin had seen Jedi die with actual Jedi Masters in the area. None of them used this "secret ability" to prevent the deaths. I'd love to know where you're getting this interpretation from.



What I said was that Anakin would no longer resent them for withholding knowledge of a secret power to keep people from dying. Any resentment about other things is something I never touched on, so no clue why you're adding that in here.



On Mustafar he shouldn't be as far gone down the dark side seduction as he'd be in ROTJ, and yet he still chose to end Palps to save his son. Twenty years earlier I'm supposed to believe that he goes from turning Palpatine in as being the secret Sith to slaughtering younglings and choking his "beloved" wife?

I can accept a gradual dark turn, but it would need to be set up better in the actual films. Anakin goes from praising Obi-Wan as a father to wanting to kill him in, what, a single day? Do you not see how the slaughter of younglings would be irredeemable? And he got to that point *that* quickly?

You don't accept that 30 years is enough for Luke to go from OT hero to grief-stricken exile; but 5 minutes is enough for Anakin to go from good-hearted Jedi, husband, and father-to-be all the way to child killer and wife choker? A turn that dramatic in the same day?

I get that dark side temptation puts you on a dark path that you might not ever get away from. I actually do understand that, and like it as a story element. But I think it would've been better storytelling in ROTS if that path was longer than my driveway. ;)

Anakin was resisting the dark side (no matter what hangups he had about his mom or the Council) just before turning. Then he just went with it, for Padme's sake. Then he choked her out. And after learning of losing Padme, he still went with it. I think it could've been handled/told better. A lot better. But I'm 44 years old, so you must think it's just senility. Have pity on me, young one. I was watching these PT movies when you were still just TheDuckling.

Ouch.. Its almost like you watched the PT and Ducky didnt
 
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