Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[jye4ever]

Hey jye, you know what that droid is doing there, right? That's the one Vader tasked with cracking the code to access the restricted section of the Jedi teachings.

BTW, I'm not sure I can log in to this place much more cuz your sig is making me cry from laughing. Holy crap!!!

And when that's not getting me, your avatar is.

Please go to the PT ST poll thread lol

 

[jye4ever]

Hamill said one of his favorite lessons from Yoda is the failure lesson.

He said had his TV shows had not been commercial failures right before reading for SW he would've never been casted for ANH because hd would've been busy working on those successful tv shows.

WOW he's right.

 

[Wor-Gar]

And had he not done Star Wars, he'd still have his face.



What do you think he's eating tonight...with no tomatoes.

 

[Khev]

Hamill said one of his favorite lessons from Yoda is the failure lesson.

One of my favorite scenes in the ST.

 

[jye4ever]

And had he not done Star Wars, he'd still have his face.



What do you think he's eating tonight...with no tomatoes.

One of my favorite scenes in the ST.

He didn't specifically say TROS but one could take elements from ESB and apply that Yoda lesson.

But it was TROS in my head

 

[Khev]

I assumed it was a reference to Yoda telling him that failure was the greatest teacher in TLJ.

 

[ZE_501]

While I?d never watch any of the ST movies again, my favorite if I had to choose would probably be the Force Awakens. While it was a rip off of ANH, it was the only one that felt like I was watching an actual movie from beginning to end. TLJ and TROS didn?t feel like that, at all. There are those little moments like Rey scavenging on that one planet, not Tatooine, that feels cinematic and well paced. Like we?re actually taking our time in the Star Wars world. TLJ and TROS aren?t like that at all, especially TROS.

Awakens was the most innocent and least obnoxious of the three. It also ends with a lot of potential for future movies. Maybe Luke will be cool! Maybe the Knights of Ren will be cool! Maybe Snoke will be cool! Maybe Rey?s origin will be cool!

Yes to all that. I had a couple of major issues with TFA but was willing to see where they went.

(And then they went there.)

 

[ZE_501]

I never noticed the Naboo ships why was Naboo never given the Alderaan treatment by the emperor. [...]

Because Star Wars has always been full of poor writing and relies on obsessive fans to do mental gymnastics to make the god-awful mess work by filling in the blanks with their own story. It's a multi-billion dollar Choose Your Own Adventure book.

 

[ZE_501]

Yeah so perfect that's why nobody wants to hire her post TROS.

If she's having trouble I'd say it's more Star Wars Effect than any fault of hers. While I didn't see much Mega Star in her performances, she's a good actor and fun to watch on screen, probably do well in a number of genres.

 

[ZE_501]

BEST Love Scene in a Star Wars Movie:

ESB - Han invades Leia's personal space while she's working and, being her superior, forces himself upon her.

Human Resources would have a field day with that one. Mad sexual harassment. But the guy was also a drug trafficker so...

 

[ZE_501]

Rey never came across as a cardboard cut out strong woman IMO..

Nothing in the ST feels earned or weighty. It feels like a copy of a copy and the characters feel paint-by-numbers. I was willing to see where Rey went after TFA and used Luke's own Mary Sue-ness to defend her in TFA, but my opinion of the ST as a whole is well-documented.

 

[ZE_501]

Friendless, lonely, and lost without her family is your definition of a "strong woman" cardboard cut-out?

After TFA I didn't buy the character. Taken alone, there was some bad writing but that's been a part of Star Wars since 1977. There are things you let go when you're eating a Big Mac that you wouldn't allow in a Wagyu steak.

So no doubt my assessment of her in that scene is coloured by my disdain for the trilogy as a whole, but there are definitely tropes being set up by Disney via blunt instruments in service of their focus group analyses that fall flat and can't be compared to films of the '80s.

I stand by my assertion that you have no appreciation for archetypes.

She was literally a scavenger who grew up on a post-apocalyptic world. Nausicaa, Mad Max, Waterworld Kevin Costner. Imagine any soldier dropping from the sky and assuming that any of those characters would need help on their home turf. Everyone of them would have said GTFO of here. But if Rey does it it's suddenly a strong woman preaching to the clueless males? GTFO of here, lol.

That's exactly what I'm saying because of the way they handled the scene. An archetype need not be a blunt instrument or a cartoon.

So maybe try and revise your talking points and recognize that these aren't "third wave" feminist films.

Never said they were.

 

[jye4ever]

Pre ESB interview.

I guess they didn't care about spoilers back then lol





Thank the maker I was 13 and didn't watch tv interviews.

 

[Bravomite]

I?ve missed some of the back and forth so someone might have already pointed this out but Theory?s Anakin ?theory? wasn?t plucked out of thin air but taken from Mathew Stover?s Revenge of the Sith novelisation (perhaps no longer canon because as everyone knows Star Wars doesn?t have 900 page novels and comic books to draw from).

In the novel, one of the perks upon being granted the rank of Master is that, in recognition of your skill and temperance as a Jedi, you get access to the restricted, Masters-only section of the Jedi Archives.

This section includes Sith holocrons and other artifacts once belonging to their order. It is the primary means by which Jedi Masters come to understand the Dark Side and the secrets of the Sith in particular (learn about their ideological enemies).

Anakin was hoping that on being granted the rank of Master, he would be able to delve into this forbidden knowledge to find the secret to cheating death, per Palpatine?s story regarding Darth Plagueis. If Plagueis was real, Anakin reasoned, then there was a chance that his knowledge would be somewhere in there and that he could use it to prevent Padme from dying.

Being denied this chance effectively cut the hope out from under Anakin completely, with the clock ticking and his nightmares about Padme?s death going nowhere.

The book elaborates further that by the time of the events that transpire in the Chancellor?s office, Anakin has not slept for days at a time, actively avoiding doing so in order not to have that dream again, and is depending on the Force to keep him propped up. So he?s more than a bit unhinged at this point.

So by all means laugh at the idea (especially as the restricted section sounds like it is something from Harry Potter) but at the end of the day it all comes from Lucas Film source material. The book really does a good job of fleshing out Anakin?s turn and I wish more of it ended up on screen.

 

[jye4ever]

What the SWT guy says is off the charts ridiculous.

Go listen he says Anakin doesn't care about the title of master and could care less if Mace and the order are being disrespectful to him his only mission is to get bestowed the title of master JUST SO he can get into the restricted section so that he can learn how to stop his wife from dying.

WHAT!

WHAT!!

WHERE!!!

If that secret was always there what was the whole Darth Plageuis plot point included in the movie for then!

This is beyond stupid.

 

[Khev]

 

[jye4ever]

Palpatine opera: You ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plageuis the wise. His secret is hidden in the restricted section of the Jedi Order go in there and take it dumb ass just tell thd librarian you are renting a book.

 

[The Buffinator]

Palpatine opera: You ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plageuis the wise. His secret is hidden in the restricted section of the Jedi Order go in there and take it dumb ass just tell thd librarian you are renting a book.

He could have just told the librarian "Master Obi-Wan sent me".

 

[Khev]

Palpatine opera: You ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plageuis the wise. His secret is hidden in the restricted section of the Jedi Order go in there and take it dumb ass just tell thd librarian you are renting a book.

I literally burst out laughing so loud my son asked what was going on from the other side of the house.

He could have just told the librarian "Master Obi-Wan sent me".

 

[Khev]