Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[jye4ever]

He could have just told the librarian "Master Obi-Wan sent me".

Like seriously I didn't see any indication in ROTS of a Master Only section being mentioned or eluded too anywhere in that damn movie lol

ajp has given us a great start to a savage new year

 

[The Buffinator]

Meme of the day.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I?ve missed some of the back and forth so someone might have already pointed this out but Theory?s Anakin ?theory? wasn?t plucked out of thin air but taken from Mathew Stover?s Revenge of the Sith novelisation (perhaps no longer canon because as everyone knows Star Wars doesn?t have 900 page novels and comic books to draw from).

In the novel, one of the perks upon being granted the rank of Master is that, in recognition of your skill and temperance as a Jedi, you get access to the restricted, Masters-only section of the Jedi Archives.

This section includes Sith holocrons and other artifacts once belonging to their order. It is the primary means by which Jedi Masters come to understand the Dark Side and the secrets of the Sith in particular (learn about their ideological enemies).

Anakin was hoping that on being granted the rank of Master, he would be able to delve into this forbidden knowledge to find the secret to cheating death, per Palpatine?s story regarding Darth Plagueis. If Plagueis was real, Anakin reasoned, then there was a chance that his knowledge would be somewhere in there and that he could use it to prevent Padme from dying.

Being denied this chance effectively cut the hope out from under Anakin completely, with the clock ticking and his nightmares about Padme?s death going nowhere.

The book elaborates further that by the time of the events that transpire in the Chancellor?s office, Anakin has not slept for days at a time, actively avoiding doing so in order not to have that dream again, and is depending on the Force to keep him propped up. So he?s more than a bit unhinged at this point.

So by all means laugh at the idea (especially as the restricted section sounds like it is something from Harry Potter) but at the end of the day it all comes from Lucas Film source material. The book really does a good job of fleshing out Anakin?s turn and I wish more of it ended up on screen.

That novelization version makes Anakin dumber than he was in the movie. At least in the movie, without any mention of a "restricted section," Anakin sees Palpatine as his *only* resource for learning the Sith "secret to immortality," thereby giving him a reason to keep Palps alive. But by introducing another option, Anakin would have to be an idiot to keep Palpatine alive rather than turning him in and proving to be the Chosen One who led to the Sith threat being eliminated. Jedi Master rank a certainty at that point, and access granted to all those "restricted" secrets.

What's the point of introducing an obsession over being denied access to a "restricted section" if he only learns about it *after* Palpatine's talk at the opera? From that point, he's seeing that he had *two* options rather than just a single desperate reliance on Palpatine. One option requires keeping a Sith Master alive; the other option fulfills the Chosen One prophecy and grants Anakin his Jedi Master access. Choosing the first one makes Anakin either really stupid or just determined to join the dark side. How is that better?

It ends up making Anakin look even worse. This just keeps getting funnier.

 

[Khev]

Like seriously I didn't see any indication in ROTS of a Master Only section being mentioned or eluded too anywhere in that damn movie lol

Yep like JAWS and ajp said SWT is pulling stuff straight out of his ass in an attempt to have his big Filoni/Qui Gon moment while ignoring the actual film.

"Uh yeah he doesn't care about the title or being disrespected it's all about the restricted teachings."

Really? Let's listen to what Anakin himself had to say on the matter:

"What kind of nonsense is this, put me on the council and not make me a master? That's never been done in the history of the Jedi. It's insulting!"

Sounds pretty freaking clear to me what part of not being a master pissed him off.

Meme of the day.

 

[The Buffinator]

Like seriously I didn't see any indication in ROTS of a Master Only section being mentioned or eluded too anywhere in that damn movie lol

Maybe everyone just told Anakin that section was Masters Only because they knew Obi-Wan and Padme frequently did it in the stacks.

 

[jye4ever]

That novelization version makes Anakin dumber than he was in the movie. At least in the movie, without any mention of a "restricted section," Anakin sees Palpatine as his *only* resource for learning the Sith "secret to immortality," thereby giving him a reason to keep Palps alive. But by introducing another option, Anakin would have to be an idiot to keep Palpatine alive rather than turning him in and proving to be the Chosen One who led to the Sith threat being eliminated. Jedi Master rank a certainty at that point, and access granted to all those "restricted" secrets.

What's the point of introducing an obsession over being denied access to a "restricted section" if he only learns about it *after* Palpatine's talk at the opera? From that point, he's seeing that he had *two* options rather than just a single desperate reliance on Palpatine. One option requires keeping a Sith Master alive; the other option fulfills the Chosen One prophecy and grants Anakin his Jedi Master access. Choosing the first one makes Anakin either really stupid or just determined to join the dark side. How is that better?

It ends up making Anakin look even worse. This just keeps getting funnier.

Holy crap i just can't lol

It's so absurd.

Introducing this revelation of this additional option just drives Anakin's chosen one and fall arc fully off the comical cliff.

It literally breaks the plot of the movie yet SWT guy thinks he made the movie actually better by opening the naysayers eyes and showing how wrong they were.

Yep like JAWS and ajp said SWT is pulling stuff straight out of his ass in an attempt to have his big Filoni/Qui Gon moment while ignoring the actual film.

"Uh yeah he doesn't care about the title or being disrespected it's all about the restricted teachings."

Really? Let's listen to what Anakin himself had to say on the matter:

"What kind of nonsense is this, put me on the council and not make me a master? That's never been done in the history of the Jedi. It's insulting!"

Sounds pretty freaking clear to me what part of not being a master pissed him off.

Yup he totally sounded like it didn't bother him one bit.

So much so that he even complained like a mad man to ObiWan in just the next scene lol

 

[ironwez20]

Holy **** stop with with the masters restricted section it's not that funny. Seeing you guys so easily amused by something so dumb and silly and talking about and making pics about it in like three threads is hilarious.

It's not that damn funny lol. I can name tons of things in the PT that is funnier than that.

Also I dare one of you to go into the SWT guys vids and actually start an argument with fellow star wars fans there. I would very much like to see the results and see if you win or lose the debate.
Step outside the bubble and challenge your so called right thoughts. I know you won't

Like seriously I know you guys have a ST love club but step outiside your comfort zone and actually go on his vids and challenge his arguments.

 

[ZE_501]

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Like seriously I know you guys have a ST love club but step outiside your comfort zone and actually go on his vids and challenge his arguments.

LOL *those* nerds will beat the crap out of them.


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[Khev]

"Go on his vids?" How, I don't exactly know where the guy lives.

 

[Khev]

It literally breaks the plot of the movie yet SWT guy thinks he made the movie actually better by opening the naysayers eyes and showing how wrong they were.

Well he did say he'd change our views on Anakin's turn in 3 minutes and that's exactly what he did, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Yup Khev is shaking in his boots having to deal with this guy lol

 

[Khev]

Second actual lol of the night.

 

[ZE_501]

You all fear him. I can sense it.


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[ajp4mgs]

Holy **** stop with with the masters restricted section it's not that funny. Seeing you guys so easily amused by something so dumb and silly and talking about and making pics about it in like three threads is hilarious.

It's not that damn funny lol. I can name tons of things in the PT that is funnier than that.

Also I dare one of you to go into the SWT guys vids and actually start an argument with fellow star wars fans there. I would very much like to see the results and see if you win or lose the debate.
Step outside the bubble and challenge your so called right thoughts. I know you won't

Like seriously I know you guys have a ST love club but step outiside your comfort zone and actually go on his vids and challenge his arguments.

I don't think anyone here (on either side) believes he can change *any* fan's mind. I've written enough words in my posts here to equal novels, and not one single mind has changed. I know damn well that it would be no different anywhere else.

No one ever "wins" these debates and everyone knows it. I can't count how many times I've read someone here posting that "Khev makes some good points here..." and it's always followed by "but..." and no one changes their mind. Not once.

The best we can do is have some laughs. All sides eventually get their turn to do it.

 

[Khev]

Actually I think you yourself might have changed jye's take on Mando Boba with your awesome breakdown of his ascension to the throne.

But otherwise yeah, my experience with calling out YouTubers is that they delete your comments, scurry and run (which is exactly what the Christmas elf pictured above did) so what's the point. Plus as silly as SWT's take is he still comes across as a nice guy and he's doing his thing to grow his channel so more power to him.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Actually I think you yourself might have changed jye's take on Mando Boba with your awesome breakdown of his ascension to the throne.

But otherwise yeah, my experience with contradicting YouTubers on their channels is that they delete your comments, scurry and run (which is exactly what the Christmas elf pictured above did) so what's the point. Plus as silly as SWT's take is he still comes across as a nice guy and he's doing his thing to grow his channel so more power to him.

Well, jye *wanted* his mind changed about Mando Boba. That's the difference.

 

[Khev]

True, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

If nothing else, I laughed hard at jye's sig and avatar. I'm good with that; that's a win.

 

[ironwez20]

Yup Khev is shaking in his boots having to deal with this guy lol

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Stop being such a cheerleader and also your like what? 60? I'm sure that guy could beat you up. Whoever he is.

 

[jye4ever]

53

I was a strong 53 until covid diet took 20 lbs off of me.