Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[ZE_501]

I don?t think being relatable matters at all. When adjusted for inflation, ANH ranks #2 all time in gross. Ultimately the ST sucked and wasn?t fun where as Marvel didn?t suck and was fun.

Now that Star Wars doesn?t suck again and is fun again, we are seeing just how dominant and popular it can be.

I don't pay much attention to box office. It means a lot of people were compelled to see a thing, not that it was a good story necessarily. I think Avatar was hot garbage but based on hype alone (apparently) a lot of people went to see it.

I do think the ST was a very poor set of films based on a deeply flawed concept, and that MCU is just *fun* ... but thinking about what makes it fun for non-geeks, accessibility is probably a strong factor. Lower barrier to entry: Superheroes making quips and beating up bad guys in NYC! vs. Higher barrier to entry: Sprawling space opera that goes back 9 or 10 different movies starting in 1977.

[...]I do consider those tactical oddities to be among my chiefest complaints against the film.

Star Wars is full of them. You can nitpick 'em but you either accept 'em or not.

[...] As far as the "why not jump ahead?" scenario goes, is that even possible with lightspeed? Wouldn't even the shortest lightspeed jump take them farther away from the cruiser, but just from the front?

The Raddus would still have shields and enough of a distance gap. Nothing more than a 90 degree turn would solve that problem, right?

I can't remember now, but didn't they know *exactly* where the Raddus was? The jump(s) might be complicated but not canon-breaking, far as I can tell. That whole chase was weird.

Another good one:

Not bad.

 

[ironwez20]

The audience has spoken.

And this list was prior to Solo and TROS but shows the worldwide adjusted grosses and includes RO which embarrasses 2/3 of the PT even further. Good thing they had decent toys, lol.

A New Hope - $3,210,147,748

The Force Awakens - $2,177,622,188

The Empire Strikes Back - $1,671,305,462

The Phantom Menace - $1,540,567,015

The Last Jedi - $1,332,422,051

Return of the Jedi - $1,197,267,566

Rogue One - $1,098,065,126

Revenge of the Sith - $1,086,406,103

Attack of the Clones - $902,663,675

Sigh........ box office numbers don?t matter it?s the longevity of a series that does . Avatar was the highest grossing movie of all time and iron man 3 was the highest grossing superhero movie beating out the dark knight .

What are you guys discussing now? The PT. What?s not being discussed.... the ST. Even you guys spend more times on PT topics then ST.

What?s still selling out in merch and branding ? The PT. So let?s add up everything shall we. The toy sales aswell as other merch and dvd sales the PT beats the ST.

Star Wars wants toys and merch to sell. That?s there bread and butter and PT figures sell out. Look how much HT anakin sells for on the secondary market .

But you already knew this.

 

[The Buffinator]

Sigh........ box office numbers don?t matter it?s the longevity of a series that does . Avatar was the highest grossing movie of all time and iron man 3 was the highest grossing superhero movie beating out the dark knight .

What are you guys discussing now? The PT. What?s not being discussed.... the ST. Even you guys spend more times on PT topics then ST.

What?s still selling out in merch and branding ? The PT. So let?s add up everything shall we. The toy sales aswell as other merch and dvd sales the PT beats the ST.

Star Wars wants toys and merch to sell. That?s there bread and butter and PT figures sell out. Look how much HT anakin sells for on the secondary market .

But you already knew this.

I agree box office numbers don't really matter, but The Duckling brought them up in his response to someone saying the MCU was more relatable than SW and had surpassed it. He then proceeded to say the ST sucked and was no fun, implying that was why the MCU had surpassed SW. I merely pointed out that the PT actually did worse than the ST, so by his logic the PT sucked too.

 

[Wor-Gar]

worldwide adjusted grosses

A New Hope - $3,210,147,748

Just incredible if you think about it. Does this include all reissues/re-releases as well or just initial theatrical run (for over a year back then)?

 

[JAWS]

All this ROTS talk and I ended up watching it again.

I still find that I feel the way I did about it last time. I enjoy it all the way up until the Jedi confront The Emperor. It then falls apart for me.

Its then that the acting goes way over the top. It just gets too goofy.

HC is actually fairly solid in the first half.. Especially after the Palps rescue. His angry voice on Mustafar is when he looses me a bit.

Emperor is just too much.. I really kind of hate him.. In all the wrong ways.

There are plenty of things that I could pic apart but thats not what I am posting about.

Saber Duel is half a decent duel.. Up until he is scene choking Obi Wan.. From there on it gets goofy but before that is solid. I still a have some of the same issues with the framing and difficulty seeing everything. I still say I dont feel like I am watching too long time friends in an epic duel.

I would say 60 to 70 % of the film is pretty good as I am entertained.. But that other 30 to 40% is really bad for me. Frustratingly bad because it could have been so much more.

Oh Well. As a whole Not as bad as some say it is (as SW movie) not as good as other say either.

 

[DiFabio]

You can't be serious.

SWT guy is not just some random dude

He was put on LF radar years ago when he created the most expensive and popular SW fan movie in the history of SW fandom

He is super popular and leading the PT resurgence and is a very vocal anti KK story group influencer

He has dealt directly with LF numerous times over his channel content

LF knows about his popularity and keeps him on their radar

Hidalgo singled him out and only him because SWT guy had previously trashed the story group and the ST

He is the face of the PT resurgence

He is ready to spend major dollars to get an exclusive interview with HC!

He wants a job at LF in the worst possible way but trashing the story group is not helping his cause

He is probably doomcock lol

Eh, I never heard of him. He can?t be that special.

Then again, I don?t really follow this stuff. I guess I?m behind on Star Wars. Meh

 

[jye4ever]

All this ROTS talk and I ended up watching it again.

I still find that I feel the way I did about it last time. I enjoy it all the way up until the Jedi confront The Emperor. It then falls apart for me.

Its then that the acting goes way over the top. It just gets too goofy.

HC is actually fairly solid in the first half.. Especially after the Palps rescue. His angry voice on Mustafar is when he looses me a bit.

Emperor is just too much.. I really kind of hate him.. In all the wrong ways.

There are plenty of things that I could pic apart but thats not what I am posting about.

Saber Duel is half a decent duel.. Up until he is scene choking Obi Wan.. From there on it gets goofy but before that is solid. I still a have some of the same issues with the framing and difficulty seeing everything. I still say I dont feel like I am watching too long time friends in an epic duel.

I would say 60 to 70 % of the film is pretty good as I am entertained.. But that other 30 to 40% is really bad for me. Frustratingly bad because it could have been so much more.

Oh Well. As a whole Not as bad as some say it is (as SW movie) not as good as other say either.

I do like that ROTS Anakin v Obi is over lava

TROS Rey v Kylo is over ocean

Nice contrast there

But I also immediately notice that while both are all cgi backgrounds that TROS seems way more epic of a battle.

Just the saber look and sound alone are so brutal electric and alive in TROS you can feel the energy you can feel the hits

Also Rey felt realistic while losing the battle you could FEEL Kylo's dominance

With ROTS they both are equal and boring until the dumb high ground jump lol

ROTS was just swinging light saber strikes on a ridiculous lava tower that meant nothing it didn't show any narrative progression of their battle.

Yawn

 

[DiFabio]

I don’t even remember the Rise of Skywalker Rey Kylo duel other than the water. Isn’t that where Leia kills herself telepathically?

ROTS is way more memorable. A character dominates another? Anakin gets his mother ****in legs and arm lobbed off AND catches on fire. That’s “realistic enough” and certainly shows “narrative progression”. Volcano and lava has been a part of Vader since the beginning. 2005 was the year of lava, fire and Siths. GTFO Jye.

The only memorable sequel lightsaber fight was that snow one. I remember that one. Where Finn gets his back sliced and Kylo gets his face wrecked. That was fun. No weird telepathic **** like hologram Luke or Carrie Fisher. Just good old fashioned swashbuckling, hack and slash in the snow.

 

[jye4ever]

Eh, I never heard of him. He can?t be that special.

Then again, I don?t really follow this stuff. I guess I?m behind on Star Wars. Meh

Some nerd you are next you're going to tell me you actually get free sex lol

I don’t even remember the Rise of Skywalker Rey Kylo duel other than the water. Isn’t that where Leia kills herself telepathically?

ROTS is way more memorable. A character dominates another? Anakin gets his mother ****in legs and arm lobbed off AND catches on fire. That’s “realistic enough” and certainly shows “narrative progression”.

Yes it was a brutal strike and powerful enough scene that should've been way more powerful and heartbreaking had I believed they actually ever really cared about each other in that cult jedi order lol

As it was ROTS was nothing but Anakin hating on ObiWan and giving him the dirty eye when ObiWan turned around

 

[DiFabio]

Again, it’s all about the toys.

Did TROS have an Endor/Waterworld themed toy line? No? NOT VERY EPIC. STFU JYE

 

[jye4ever]

Again, it’s all about the toys.

Did TROS have an Endor/Waterworld themed toy line? No? NOT VERY EPIC. STFU JYE


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I'm right there with JAWS the PT wins hands down when it comes to design aesthetics.

But while we are at it let's keep in mind that the OT beats the PT hands down in that department

Anyways back to PT vs ST

I have ZERO problems with admitting that.

Let me put it this way for you

I would rather have a PT era HT collectible on my shelf over a ST HT collectible

BUT I would also rather watch a ST movie over a PT movie

toi boi

 

[DiFabio]

Toy boi!? Star Wars IS about the toys bro. That’s why 90% of us are even here.

The OT wouldn’t have had has much longevity if it wasn’t for Kenner. That’s a fact. When I was a kid, yeah, the movies were great, especially Empire, but not NEARLY as great as my toys. Having Vader fight Luke on the mantle, smashing the Snowspeeder into the head of the AT-AT (long before even knowing about the deleted scene), in front of the fireplace, it was awesome. That’s half the reason anyone gives two ****s about the obscure cantina and jabbas palace characters.

Now a days, you can just pull up a clip of a favorite scene on YouTube. Before that ****, you actually got a chance to OWN a piece of it. Someone in here mentioned the ST’s longevity and what they’ll be perceived as in the future. I think we already have seen what people will be thinking about in the future. NOTHING. Not in a world where there were Star Wars movies and tv shows every consecutive year and ****** toys that had some of the worst assortments of all time. It’s garbage. Mandalorian surpassed ST in every way.

 

[jye4ever]

Toy boi!? Star Wars IS about the toys bro. That’s why 90% of us are even here.

The OT wouldn’t have had has much longevity if it wasn’t for Kenner. That’s a fact. When I was a kid, yeah, the movies were great, especially Empire, but not NEARLY as great as my toys. Having Vader fight Luke on the mantle, smashing the Snowspeeder into the head of the AT-AT (long before even knowing about the deleted scene), in front of the fireplace, it was awesome. That’s half the reason anyone gives two ****s about the obscure cantina and jabbas palace characters.

Now a days, you can just pull up a clip of a favorite scene on YouTube. Before that ****, you actually got a chance to OWN a piece of it. Someone in here mentioned the ST’s longevity and what they’ll be perceived as in the future. I think we already have seen what people will be thinking about in the future. NOTHING. Not in a world where there were Star Wars movies and tv shows every consecutive year and ****** toys that had some of the worst assortments of all time. It’s garbage. Mandalorian surpassed ST in every way.

Design wise absolutely

Mando trashed the ST but I still rather watch the ST over the PT lol

Oh man I used to smash all my toys into the AtAt head including my big Shogun warriors!

 

[Khev]

Holy crap this guy is on fire. He gets it completely. Why oh why did we not get this PT, the PT that the OT implied and that we were all expecting.

 

[Khev]

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I still have those exact two figures MOC purchased at retail back when they were released. I always liked that it just straight up said "Darth Vader" on Anakin's card.

 

[JAWS]

I do like that ROTS Anakin v Obi is over lava

TROS Rey v Kylo is over ocean

Nice contrast there

But I also immediately notice that while both are all cgi backgrounds that TROS seems way more epic of a battle.

Just the saber look and sound alone are so brutal electric and alive in TROS you can feel the energy you can feel the hits

Also Rey felt realistic while losing the battle you could FEEL Kylo's dominance

With ROTS they both are equal and boring until the dumb high ground jump lol

ROTS was just swinging light saber strikes on a ridiculous lava tower that meant nothing it didn't show any narrative progression of their battle.

Yawn

There was a moment in ROTS that it looks like Anakin is starting to overpower Obi Wan... Its in the control Room and when they first step outside... He starts banging away at Ono Wan and still comes at him.. Reminded me of TROS also.. I wish they had a little more of that.

That was something that they never really pushed in the PT. Anakin was supposed to be this great Jedi knight.. Obi Wan says he is better the him.. But you never get that feeling. Maybe when he kills Count D... But thats about it. It would have been cool if Anakin and Mace actually got into a duel over the life of Palps.. Something more then killing kids and unarmed aliens... Or if you felt like Obi Wan might actually loose the battle.. you never get a sense that Obi Wan might loose. Granted we know he wont but accept for that one scene I mentioned it never feels like Anakin could / might win.

 

[ZE_501]

Holy crap this guy is on fire. He gets it completely. Why oh why did we not get this PT, the PT that the OT implied and that we were all expecting.

[...]

I like it.

I would have disposed of the whole prophecy angle completely and started with Anakin as a cocky young pilot, but this works.

 

[jye4ever]

Holy crap this guy is on fire. He gets it completely. Why oh why did we not get this PT, the PT that the OT implied and that we were all expecting.

Umm i'm watching that from now on when I crave to watch the PT it is way more epic and it saves me 7 hours and 20 minutes lol

No saving Padme plot

 

[JAWS]

Holy crap this guy is on fire. He gets it completely. Why oh why did we not get this PT, the PT that the OT implied and that we were all expecting.

Yeah... I would have liked that plot a bit more.

I really wish the films focused more around Anakin being a hero and his friendship to Obi Wan.. And how the Dark Side and the power it promises is what seduces him.

 

[Khev]

I like it.

I would have disposed of the whole prophecy angle completely and started with Anakin as a cocky young pilot, but this works.

I know right.

Umm i'm watching that from now on when I crave to watch the PT it is way more epic and it saves me 7 hours and 20 minutes lol

No saving Padme plot

No kidding. Just have him start out good but then become this badass Jedi celebrity due to his gifts and Chosen One status who starts to resent the other passive Jedi that he sees as weak and unworthy to police the galaxy. He gets a taste of power, gets corrupted, then decides to off the Jedi so that he and the clones can do their job for them. Just like he would off annoying Imperial officers that failed him! Have *him* hunt Obi-Wan and Padme to Mustafar instead of Anakin just hanging out there and crying. By a fluke Obi-Wan defeats him, takes Padme to Alderaan where she gets to raise Leia for a few years and bam, a badass trilogy that actually aligns with the OT.

Great stuff.