Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[The Buffinator]

And here you are, at 53, and you?ve embraced and consumed even more Star Schlock than Jar Jar.

You speak of embarrassment of being a Star Wars fan? I think that?s a given for any era. There are incels/femcels out there right now that collect baby Yoda dolls and dress them up as children, carrying them around as if they were a real child. Star Wars attracts the mentally deficient. Always has, always will.

Thank God none of them frequent this forum.

 

[Bravomite]

That is accurate and watch closely because it happens fast but in TLJ she actually senses the attack and prepares for the imminent damage about to happen

QuiGon and ObiWan prepare in about the same time frame Leia had

Haha I can't tell if you guys are joking anymore. Qui-gon and Obi-wan did nothing of the sort. They heard the poison gas hissing into the room and then saw the clearly visible cloud of poison gas (no force required to sense that danger). They both then presumably held their breath before leaving the room and dispatching the droids outside. We are not shown how much time has passed but if it was a long length of time (as the dialogue indicates it might have been) they had those oxygen rebreather things on them that they could use if they needed them (the same ones they used to swim down to the Gungan city rather than use Leia's 'Force Hold My Breath Power' which would have been a lot less convenient if it was an actual force ability before TLJ).

It doesn't matter if you use Force Hold My Breath Power in space, that's not how space works. We had this discussion before. Besides the whole visual is laughably stupid and completely ruined whatever emotional resonance that the scene / reveal was supposed to convey ... unless that was Rian's point, Jedi powers are stupid.

if force users could just create a force field around themselves why were they not doing that all time time whenever they were in danger.

Good try Khev and Jye and your new YT hero.

LMAO Force Holdo my Breath Power. Thanks for the laughs guys

 

[DiFabio]

The scene where you think Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn are dead in the gas filled room, only to jump out and chop the battle droids up > Leia flying through deep space

I’ll never forget that Leia scene. Sitting there in that dark, silent theater just thinking “ . . . wtf”


Also if I were the Neimodians, I’d have just poisoned Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan’s tea.

 

[Khev]

Haha I can't tell if you guys are joking anymore. Qui-gon and Obi-wan did nothing of the sort. They heard the poison gas hissing into the room and then saw the clearly visible cloud of poison gas (no force required to sense that danger). They both then presumably held their breath before leaving the room and dispatching the droids outside. We are not shown how much time has passed but if it was a long length of time (as the dialogue indicates it might have been) they had those oxygen rebreather things on them that they could use if they needed them (the same ones they used to swim down to the Gungan city rather than use Leia's 'Force Hold My Breath Power' which would have been a lot less convenient if it was an actual force ability before TLJ).

It doesn't matter if you use Force Hold My Breath Power in space, that's not how space works. We had this discussion before. Besides the whole visual is laughably stupid and completely ruined whatever emotional resonance that the scene / reveal was supposed to convey ... unless that was Rian's point, Jedi powers are stupid.

if force users could just create a force field around themselves why were they not doing that all time time whenever they were in danger.

Good try Khev and Jye and your new YT hero.

LMAO Force Holdo my Breath Power. Thanks for the laughs guys

Leia was in space less than two minutes, she could have survived with or without using the Force to hold her breath. The only thing that crosses over into the realm of fantasy is her regaining consciousness in space and then Force pulling herself to the ship with neither being outside the realm of the established "rules" of using the Force.

I never interpreted Obi-Wan and Qui Gon as simply holding their breath. Gunray's line about "they must be dead by now, destroy what is left" implies that he deliberately waited longer than what they could have been expected to endure. If he just sprayed some visible gas into the room that any doofus could just close their mouth to avoid then the entire scene becomes totally idiotic (which wouldn't be a first for the PT, I know.) IIRC you do see them both take one last breath as the gas is spreading around them but Gunray's line and the entire room being filled with gas from floor to ceiling when the doors opened still implies that some aspect of their Jedi training was used to survive what would have killed normal men.

No matter *what* the mechanism was used for them to survive there is still precedent established and symmetry with Leia. That's the point. Yes the visual of Leia flying was silly I don't think you'll hear anyone argue otherwise.

 

[ZE_501]

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No matter *what* the mechanism was used for them to survive there is still precedent established and symmetry with Leia. That's the point. Yes the visual of Leia flying was silly I don't think you'll hear anyone argue otherwise.

Wait what? Jeebus.

Two Jedi at rest holding their breath for a long time vs. suffering the concussive force of a massive explosion and getting sucked into hard vacuum.

 

[Khev]

Retaining oxygen is retaining oxygen. That's what's being discussed. It had been done by Jedi in SW before. And she was "at rest" immediately prior to the event as well. Yes there were other factors that made Leia's situation more "violent" which is why she went unconscious compared to Kenobi and Jinn.

 

[ZE_501]

That is accurate and watch closely because it happens fast but in TLJ she actually senses the attack and prepares for the imminent damage about to happen

QuiGon and ObiWan prepare in about the same time frame Leia had

She was feeling her little psychopath of a son buzzing around outside like an angry toddler and then got blown out the gaping hole in the bridge with everyone else.

Disney really needs to pay you guys to gaslight Star Wars fans.

Do you really think they're that subtle? No wait, don't answer that.

 

[ZE_501]

Retaining oxygen is retaining oxygen. That's what's being discussed. It had been done by Jedi in SW before. And she was "at rest" immediately prior to the event as well. Yes there were other factors that made Leia's situation more "violent" which is why she went unconscious compared to Kenobi and Jinn.

A human could theoretically survive 2 minutes in a vacuum under ideal circumstances. But sure, if you're good with her body and organs surviving a blast at close range and a quick shrapnel blender, it's not the worst thing I've heard y'all justify.

 

[Khev]

A human could theoretically survive 2 minutes in a vacuum under ideal circumstances. But sure, if you're good with her body and organs surviving a blast at close range and a quick shrapnel blender, it's not the worst thing I've heard y'all justify.

This is a universe where characters are now routinely surviving getting burned alive by molten lava, sliced in half, vaporized, digested, etc., so a fluke survival due to luckily avoiding some shrapnel is hardly too far of a stretch.

 

[ZE_501]

This is a universe where characters are now routinely surviving getting burned alive by molten lava, sliced in half, vaporized, digested, etc., so a fluke survival due to luckily avoiding some shrapnel is hardly too far of a stretch.

True enough.

I just think I'm more comfortable with her surviving because Plot Armour than jumping through hoops and giving the filmmakers way more credit than they deserve for being the one thing Star Wars almost never is -- subtle.

The cosmology and physics of Star Wars have always been wacky but at this point it's gone Full Harry Potter.

For example:
Boba Fett = Hufflepuff

 

[jye4ever]

And here you are, at 53, and you?ve embraced and consumed even more Star Schlock than Jar Jar.

You speak of embarrassment of being a Star Wars fan? I think that?s a given for any era. There are incels/femcels out there right now that collect baby Yoda dolls and dress them up as children, carrying them around as if they were a real child. Star Wars attracts the mentally deficient. Always has, always will.

I find myself in good company regarding JarJar with Burr evoking his name as a form of emasculation of Mando's manhood as it should be used lol

Thank God none of them frequent this forum.

Whew we are indeed very lucky that no one here with a dollie collection fits that profile lol

 

[Khev]

True enough.

I just think I'm more comfortable with her surviving because Plot Armour than jumping through hoops and giving the filmmakers way more credit than they deserve for being the one thing Star Wars almost never is -- subtle.

The cosmology and physics of Star Wars have always been wacky but at this point it's gone Full Harry Potter.

For example:
Boba Fett = Hufflepuff

Maybe I'm not following you here so I'll ask what exactly was subtle about Leia surviving? It seems like the ones who are making it complicated are the folks criticizing the scene. I take her survival as:

1. She luckily avoided being vaporized/burned alive with the rest of the bridge's crew
2. Used the Force to stay alive/regain consciousness/pull herself back to the ship

Or maybe she never did lose consciousness and was simply in a meditative trance (which Jedi do all the time) and then just voluntarily opened her eyes when she was properly focused enough to go back to the ship.

Sure you can say there's plot armor involved that spared her vs. Ackbar during the initial blast or whatever but otherwise everything she did wasn't any crazier than what we've seen Jedi do in the past and isn't even that unique. Force pulling is an established skill, as is retaining oxygen in otherwise lethal conditions.

And lol at HuffleFett

 

[jye4ever]

Maybe I'm not following you here so I'll ask what exactly was subtle about Leia surviving? It seems like the ones who are making it complicated are the folks criticizing the scene. I take her survival as:

1. She luckily avoided being vaporized/burned alive with the rest of the bridge's crew
2. Used the Force to stay alive/regain consciousness/pull herself back to the ship

Or maybe she never did lose consciousness and was simply in a meditative trance (which Jedi do all the time) and then just voluntarily opened her eyes when she was properly focused enough to go back to the ship.

Sure you can say there's plot armor involved that spared her vs. Ackbar during the initial blast or whatever but otherwise everything she did wasn't any crazier than what we've seen Jedi do in the past and isn't even that unique. Force pulling is an established skill, as is retaining oxygen in otherwise lethal conditions.

And lol at HuffleFett

She even prepared with the force for what was about to happen

The way I look at it the vacuum of space pulled all the shrapnel, debris, flames and heat away from her since she wasn't in proximity of the actual hull breach and since this isn't freaking Star Trek it works for me as long as i'm engaged in the damn story!

Take that Trekkies masquerading as SW fans lol

 

[Khev]

She even prepared with the force for what was about to happen

The way I look at it the vacuum of space pulled all the shrapnel, debris, flames and heat away from her since she wasn't in proximity of the actual hull breach and since this isn't freaking Star Trek it works for me as long as i'm engaged in the damn story!

Take that Trekkies masquerading as SW fans lol

Exactly that's why I'm not getting why accepting her survival requires this inordinate amount of "subtlety," especially since even if you do want to go full "Trek nerd" there's actually very little about her survival that couldn't be explained away with our own Earth physics. But shame on those going full "Trek nerd" in the first place. They need to wait outside, we don't serve their kind...

You know it was literally years, maybe until I was well into my teens that it finally occurred to me that the one line about X-Wings passing through the Death Star's "magnetic field" actually implied that the battle station had its own atmosphere. Me and my friends always laughed at the silliness of the Falcon docking with the DS in a hangar that had no airlock and people were just walking around with no suits with a giant door exposing open space, lol.

Same with the Rebel hangar in ROTJ. But even before we learned about the "magnetic field" explanation we didn't care, it was just all part of the lovable absurdity that we accepted with open arms. Maclunkey!

 

[ZE_501]

Maybe I'm not following you here so I'll ask what exactly was subtle about Leia surviving?

I just don't see her 'preparing' in a *split second* the way jye claims earlier. I watched the scene. She seems focused on Kylo.

Or maybe she never did lose consciousness and was simply in a meditative trance (which Jedi do all the time) and then just voluntarily opened her eyes when she was properly focused enough to go back to the ship.

Definitely not seeing that.

My initial viewing of the film (I saw it twice in theatres) I took her to have (a) survived incineration and avoided shrapnel, (b) rendered into shock and unconsciousness by the blast, and (c) regained consciousness to Totally Use The Force, needing time to subsequently recover from her injuries.

I thought it was goofy but not necessarily the worst thing I've seen in Star Wars if I think on it. I don't buy that she was prepared; if anything the goofy scene probably reads better if she *wasn't*. She just had enough presence of mind to go all:

***Wingardium Leia-osa!!***

And lol at HuffleFett

It really explains *so* much. He shoulda listened to the Sorting Helmet.

 

[DiFabio]

Wait a second. You guys are going back and defending the Leia in space scene now? WTF

I’m out of here.

 

[ZE_501]

[...]But shame on those going full "Trek nerd" in the first place. They need to wait outside, we don't serve their kind...

You're gonna have serious issues when the World Between Worlds initiates a Trek/Harry Potter/Sequel Trilogy crossover shortly after Disney secures the other properties.

 

[ZE_501]

Wait a second. You guys are going back and defending the Leia in space scene now? WTF

I’m out of here.

It's okay, she used the right spell. Dunno where she was hiding that wand though...

 

[xipotec]

Yea. Mando is literally keeping it alive. After ROTS the franchise was still popular and people wanted more . Now people are meh towards Star Wars and marvel surpassed it

See , this is the thing. Let me try to explain it simply.

SW was never dead after the ST, as a matter of FACT it was doing quite well, with many newer fans to replace the disgruntled old ones.

If it had been dead, Disney would not have bothered sinking all the cash they did into all the new shows coming out. Those shows were already in the works before Mandalorian. They added more in fact and those additions were definetly bolstered by Mando.

Of course it was also due to the popularity of Galaxys Edge and continued revenue from the SW franchise and the newer media connected to it beyond toys.

The films and investments Disney made the ST were great financial successes, regardless of what people want to believe , SW and it?s fandom is still going strong. Just because some vocal YouTube videos keep shouting to the heavens that SW is dead does not make it so.

Even now, try to goto Galaxys Edge any day of the week without a crowd.....good luck.

Not a Mando anywhere to be seen there.


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[Khev]

I just don't see her 'preparing' in a *split second* the way jye claims earlier. I watched the scene. She seems focused on Kylo.



Definitely not seeing that.

My initial viewing of the film (I saw it twice in theatres) I took her to have (a) survived incineration and avoided shrapnel, (b) rendered into shock and unconsciousness by the blast, and (c) regained consciousness to Totally Use The Force, needing time to subsequently recover from her injuries.

I thought it was goofy but not necessarily the worst thing I've seen in Star Wars if I think on it. I don't buy that she was prepared; if anything the goofy scene probably reads better if she *wasn't*. She just had enough presence of mind to go all:

***Wingardium Leia-osa!!***

No, not "Leia-oSAAAA." Hmph.

It really explains *so* much. He shoulda listened to the Sorting Helmet.

AOTC Fett putting on the helmet for the first time: "Not Sarlacc, not Sarlacc, not Sarlacc..."

Sorting Helmet: "Not Sarlacc eh? Well then...Hufflepuff!!!"

"Yayyyy!"

*Koska chuckles*