Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Lakhota]

Disney should start the sequels with Anakin Skywalker waking up on the death star being dragged by Luke. He should look up and say " I must have blacked out and had the worst nightmare, about what my life could have been !" Making all three PT a dream.

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[K07]

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Thats just bizarre to me. Mass delusion. It was on the same level if not worse than the other two.

I would argue it has some of the BEST parts in the whole PT, but also some of the WORST. Anything with Ian McDiarmid was pretty awesome. Apart from the action scenes with him. Those didn't sit too well with me. Anything with General Grievous is just awful. Beyond awful. That's especially true to anyone who didn't follow the Clone Wars cartoons/comics/novels and had no idea why there was a coughing robot running around. The whole trilogy was poorly planned in my mind. TPM is really needless when compared to the rest of the story George was trying to tell.

To this day, TPM is the most rewatchable one for me.

 

[a-dev]

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No - it's because I'm so in love with YOU.

As bad if not worse.

To this day, TPM is the most rewatchable one for me.

Same. Possibly because its the one I find easiest to disassociate from the Star Wars that I really love.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

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To this day, TPM is the most rewatchable one for me.

I love TPM - love it. - & I say that with 100% sincerity.

It says a lot; what with all the STUPID gungan nonsense & the flying pigmy elephant monkey that owned a cash converters where orphan Annie toiled so..

McDiarmid.

Maul.

Neeson.

Ewan.

Natalie (sometimes).

Real sets.

Naboo's architecture.

Naboo scenes in general.

All redeem the film enormously for me.

 

[Kamandi]

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There's a re-edit of TPM called "The Phantom Edit" that makes the first movie much easier to tolerate. They minimize Jake Lloyd'd dialogue and re-dub Jar-Jar with an alien language, changing a lot of what he says in the process (He now sees himself as having saved Qui Gon and he owes Jar-Jar a life debt) Some of the scenes that were effects showpieces (pod race) are tightened up here and there for better pacing.

Star Wars seems to work when it follows an established structure and puts it's own twist on it. The first Star Wars film borrows it's main story from The Hidden Fortress and The Seven Samurai. Much of Empire is structured as a chase film.

IMHO ROTJ is really two movies. The Jabba the Hutts stuff are a standalone plot that fully concludes before moving onto the Endor/DS2. OK, fine, maybe they could have used Jedi to allow more passage of time. Instead of "Han's rescued, let's go have a battle" they could have used a montage or something to explain why Lando and Han are Generals.

The PT films have meandering, aimless plots. I'd try to pick them apart but it's been years since I've sat through one from beginning to end and I have no desire to.

 

[Lakhota]

I think the pod race had a lot of potential if it was set up in a different format. Would have been great as a chase after Anakin through the Tattonine desert , maybe Watto hired some bounty hunters to return him to slavery. Then Darth Maul shows up and one by one takes out pods on his efforts to capture Anakin.

Sometimes I wonder because of nostalgia of the originals, if Lucas could had made a movie to make me and others happy. It is so difficult to recapture the essence of childhood and the romance of growing up with the OT.

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[pixletwin]

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Lucas failed because he never understood the SW fanbase and why the fanbase loved SW (at least the storytelling aspect... I reckon he understood the fiscal side of things just fine. ).

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

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Yeah, silly me, some of the Pod race was great.. albeit long winded as mentioned - especially the Looney Tunes intro piece.

I also love some of the vehicle designs.

The Queen's starship, the N1 starfighters, the Naboo Flashspeeders - awesome.

 

[Kamandi]

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The Queen's starship was a silver SR-71 Blackbird. Very distracting.

 

[Lakhota]

His excuse for the PT was he made them for children and for a younger generation to experience it anew. Well Anakin gets his limbs chopped off he's burnt, his mother is murdered, he was a slave. Mace gets his hand chopped off and childen jedi are massacred. Sounds like some serious topics for young children. I think he was surrounded by to many YES men, who rolled heir eyes behind his back.

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[Lakhota]

If you guys like to read pick up Timothy Zahn's sequels, they are amazing. I

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[VintijDroidGutzz]

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The Queen's starship was a silver SR-71 Blackbird. Very distracting.

I never realized that!

You're right.

 

[darthviper107]

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If you guys like to read pick up Timothy Zahn's sequels, they are amazing. I

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No they aren't, they're terrible


Dark Empire is actually pretty good, though I don't like the idea of retreading the same enemy with the Emperor, but the way it's done actually makes sense.

 

[K07]

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No they aren't, they're terrible


Dark Empire is actually pretty good, though I don't like the idea of retreading the same enemy with the Emperor, but the way it's done actually makes sense.

See, I love Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy and hate Dark Empire.

Can we all agree Michael A. Stackpole's "X-Wing" books were fun reads and be done discussing EU? I'm in the minority that likes it around these parts I think, but they're going to be pretty much rendered void with this Sequel Trilogy. Unless they set it far enough ahead of time and just make zero reference to the events between the trilogies and leave it to the viewer to decide what to believe.

 

[IrishJedi]

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I haven't liked a single Expanded Universe story set during or after the OT era.

 

[Khev]

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I never read any EU save the first couple chapters of Heir to the Empire but I always thought the artwork from the Dark Empire comics was amazing when I flipped through it at the store back in the day.

 

[pixletwin]

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I haven't liked a single Expanded Universe story set during or after the OT era.

Yup. Strangely the opposite is true about PT and earlier stories. I tend to really like those.

 

[The Josh]

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I really enjoyed the PT based EU stuff. That really gave some nice depth to the PT and made the SW Universe more intersting.

 

[IrishJedi]

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Yup. Strangely the opposite is true about PT and earlier stories. I tend to really like those.

I agree. It's flip-flopped. PT era... weak movies, but some really good EU. Go figure.

I've liked a lot of the Old Republic era stuff, too, with of course KOTOR being the gold standard.

 

[Khev]

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What did you guys think of the original Clone Wars movie? Where we see that Anakin had a secret feisty padawan between films and they go rescue Jabba the Hutt's son Stinky?