Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Wor-Gar]

*clap*
*stomp*
*awkward clap*
*stomp stomp*

I thought I was the only one who always laughed at how Lando was the original "left shark" in that scene

 

[Wor-Gar]

The Skywalking book mentions how Empire was the same way. The finished footage was an incoherent mess (with a lot of totally crappy scenes, check the deleted scenes on the blu-ray for proof) and then through genius in the editing room they turned out a masterpiece.

I never bought that interpretation of movie making though. Almost any movie looks like incoherent crap if you just look at dailies. You have to know on set what you need to get and get it. Not easy. If they got good stuff in the can that day, then it was no accident.

 

[DiFabio]

The Skywalking book mentions how Empire was the same way. The finished footage was an incoherent mess (with a lot of totally crappy scenes, check the deleted scenes on the blu-ray for proof) and then through genius in the editing room they turned out a masterpiece.

I thought that was the first one that was changed (and saved) during editing, not Empire? I thought the magic or genius of Empire happened during the actual shoot ("I love you too" vs. "I know")

 

[pixletwin]

The Skywalking book mentions how Empire was the same way. The finished footage was an incoherent mess (with a lot of totally crappy scenes, check the deleted scenes on the blu-ray for proof) and then through genius in the editing room they turned out a masterpiece.

Same thing happened with Star Wars. Massive mess, saved in the editing room.

 

[Khev]

He did kind of look like he was photobombing.

I never bought that interpretation of movie making though. Almost any movie looks like incoherent crap if you just look at dailies. You have to know on set what you need to get and get it. Not easy. If they got good stuff in the can that day, then it was no accident.

Not the dailies. The editing room. Lucas freaked out to Kershner about how he couldn't figure out how to get the scenes to flow together and then Kershner weighed in and they assembled a halfway decent flick. That's how it played out according to the book anyway.

 

[Khev]

I thought that was the first one that was changed (and saved) during editing

Now that you mention it yes, the original Star Wars too. Skywalking detailed the problems of assembling Empire and I think one of the documentaries on the blu-ray recalled how the editors saved Star Wars (one example: The sandperson who Lucas lamely had lift the gaffi stick above his head once but the editor reversed the footage over and over to make it look like he was dramatically shaking the stick.)

I guess it's tradition if TFA had similar difficulties.

 

[jye4ever]

I just read that article.

Batman Forever was the same way. A bunch of things were taken out and the movie was totally reworked by Warner Bros. to be more blockbuster and audience friendly. Nothing wrong with that. Look, it paid off for Disney. Yeah, Abrams and Kasdans original intent and story might have suffered, but artistic merit is always sacrificed for numbers on these kind of shows.

It's still undeniably a success, even if it isn't a perfect movie. All Force Awakens had to be was a competent movie, if some of those things were left in, it might have complicated the story and confused audiences.

DiFabio > Stupid Article

 

[jye4ever]

Sadly TFA is missing Jawa/SandPeople level side characters.

My friend just showed me this:

 

[Wor-Gar]

Not the dailies. The editing room. Lucas freaked out to Kershner about how he couldn't figure out how to get the scenes to flow together and then Kershner weighed in and they assembled a halfway decent flick. That's how it played out according to the book anyway.

Isn't that always a problem if you don't know what you're doing? There's always 100 different ways to cut a scene (movie), but only one truly great way.

 

[DiFabio]

I think it was probably all the Star Wars movies really, including Return of the Jedi and Prequels.

Lucas looks like he was going to have another heart attack during the Phantom Menace's 4 hour rough cut ("I may have gone too far in a few places") until Ben Burtt punched it up.

 

[jye4ever]

We had over 10 hours of footage for Cannibal Campout.

 

[Wor-Gar]

We had over 10 hours of footage for Cannibal Campout.

 

[jye4ever]

LOFOL!

 

[Khev]

Isn't that always a problem if you don't know what you're doing?

Yep. Which is why it was so easy for me to embrace a Lucas-less SW movie. So many other people brought magic to the table. They could have have used his help with names though, he was always good at that.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yep. Which is why it was so easy for me to embrace a Lucas-less SW movie. So many other people brought magic to the table. They could have have used his help with names though, he was always good at that.

True, and choosing good designs. Other people's work, but he made the final decision, I'm guessing.

 

[jye4ever]

Those bounty hunters that came after Han walked onto the wrong set.

 

[Tauntaun Han]

Finally convinced myself to go see this movie with the family. As with the majority of the world my family liked it for the most part but I did not. Then again the movie probably never had a chance with me. On the bright side it will save me a lot of money on collectibles.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah, a movie that shows the villain escaping is definitely more contained than one where the escape is only implied.

-Main Mcguffin-like character who is a pivotal point in the existence of main antagonist and who is implied could aid in fixing the situation is revealed at the very end of the movie.
-One of the co-protagonists is left in a comma with a halfassed goodbye from the other protagonist and an unfinished arc.
-The other protagonist also has an unfinished arc.
-Movie literally states main antagonist still has development left, another unfinished arc.

As opposed to:
-All protagonists in ANH complete a personal arc

Yeah no, totally.

 

[DiFabio]

those bounty hunters that came after han walked onto the wrong set.

An SOLO, yer a dead mon.