Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Khev]

The old man that Kylo killed on Jakku, his few spoken words did add a layer of social commentary onto Kylo.

He implied that Kylo came straight from respected royalty and not darkside trash like the FO, as in so why all the angst kid?

There was a kid a few years ago (in Texas I believe) his parents were millionaires. Very high profile family in their community, maybe even city. His younger brother was already an up and coming success. He failed to get into college but lied to his parents for years, telling them that classes were going great and that he was well on his way to becoming a doctor, lawyer, whatever. His parents threw him a fancy graduation party but he still couldn't bring himself to tell them the truth.

So he hired a hitman to kill both his parents and his brother. His dad ended up wounded but survived. So great was his rage that in his mind he wasn't free to be his own person but had the weight of the world on his shoulders to "live up" to all that his family had achieved.

EDIT: Found the story, the guy's name was Bart Whitaker: This Bart Whitaker Inside Story episode is truly chilling.

On another note I literally have a cousin a few years older than me who did the same damn thing, minus the murders. Parents were millionaires, his mom was superintendent of a major school district and his dad owned an extremely profitable insurance company. He had just "graduated," was engaged and we were all days away from going to the wedding when he confessed to his fiance that not only was he not graduating but that he had been lying about even going to school! So things blew up, the wedding was called off and it was this big family scandal.

Now I personally can't relate to any of that but I do know that some people who grow up as "royalty" apparently ****ing HATE it.

 

[YoNoSe]

Sideshow Freaks don't like villain who whines and collects Darth Vader memorabilia. Not relatable.

 

[jye4ever]

Kylo is a wuss who is on the wrong side. He has nothing to gain from being a baddie. The funniest thing though is how he keeps saying that the light side is seducing him. How is being good, genuine, sympathetic and compassionate a negative temptation? You either feel that way or you don't. He doesn't want to hear that his family and friends care for him, okay, then he should kill himself.

Han Solo straight up tells Ren that Snoke is just manipulating and using him (just like Palpatine did to everyone in the Prequels and Return of the Jedi), and he still kills his own dad to be like "muh cool grandpa".

Man do you rock!

kara is just as good, just more dry and less funny....er

There was a kid a few years ago (in Texas I believe) his parents were millionaires. Very high profile family in their community, maybe even city. His younger brother was already an up and coming success. He failed to get into college but lied to his parents for years, telling them that classes were going great and that he was well on his way to becoming a doctor, lawyer, whatever. His parents threw him a fancy graduation party but he still couldn't bring himself to tell them the truth.

So he hired a hitman to kill both his parents and his brother. His dad ended up wounded but survived. So great was his rage that in his mind he wasn't free to be his own person but had the weight of the world on his shoulders to "live up" to all that his family had achieved.

EDIT: Found the story, the guy's name was Bart Whitaker if you want to look it up

On another note I literally have a cousin a few years older than me who did the same damn thing, minus the murders. Parents were millionaires, his mom was superintendent of a major school district and his dad owned an extremely profitable insurance company. He had just "graduated," was engaged and we were all days away from going to the wedding when he confessed to his fiance that not only was he not graduating but that he had been lying about even going to school! So things blew up, the wedding was called off and it was this big family scandal.

Now I personally can't relate to any of that but I do know that some people who grow up as "royalty" apparently ****ing HATE it.

There's still the possibility that come E8/9 DiFabio will be eating crow here in regards to Crying Ren.

Regardless, reading the back and forth makes Kylo's emoism oh so worth it wouldn't you say.

 

[Khev]

Sideshow Freaks don't like villain who whines and collects Darth Vader memorabilia. Not relatable.

Holy crap dude you won the thread!

 

[DiFabio]

Man do you rock!

kara is just as good, just more dry and less funny....er

There's still the possibility that come E8/9 DiFabio will be eating crow here in regards to Crying Ren.

Well if it's like Kara said and we find out that Uncle Luke was molesting little Ben when he was a kid during his lightsaber training sessions, then yeah, I'll admit I was wrong. As it stands now though? He's a pretty pathetic character. The fact that Han and Leia still love him and try and reach out to him proves that they aren't terrible parents, so it can't be that. He has that whole emo "my parents never loved me" angst a teenager has (one of the reasons I thought Driver was playing a teenager/young adult) when he's telling Rey about "disappointing" dad's.

As for Khev's explanation, that's real life. What we're seeing is a fantastical Space Opera. A children's morality play. This kid's parents were Princess Leia and Han Solo and his uncles were the wise Luke Skywalker and love able Chewbacca (the four playable hero characters in the Battlefront video games and the blue/green "good" pieces in the Monopoly video game). He's named after the heroic and noble Ben Kenobi for crying out loud!

But no, he has "too much of Vader in him". Vader was a slave without a daddy, lost his momma to Tusken Raiders, was raised by weirdos, was told that he was some kind of chosen one but was treated like he was garbage, couldn't have sex with Natalie Portman and forbidden to experience love. He also got all of his limbs lobbed off and was burned alive. But yeah, lil' Ben is just like him.

So why is Kylo Ren being a little *****? He was even more privileged and better off than Luke who lived with his Aunt and Uncle in a ****hole desert shooting at rats for fun. Luke was tempted by evil and the same temptations, but he never gave in.

 

[YoNoSe]

Holy crap dude you won the thread!

I'm stealing this for later use.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Well if it's like Kara said and we find out that Uncle Luke was molesting little Ben when he was a kid during his lightsaber training sessions, then yeah, I'll admit I was wrong. As it stands now though? He's a pretty pathetic character. The fact that Han and Leia still love him and try and reach out to him proves that they aren't terrible parents, so it can't be that. He has that whole emo "my parents never loved me" angst a teenager has (one of the reasons I thought Driver was playing a teenager/young adult) when he's telling Rey about "disappointing" dad's.

As for Khev's explanation, that's real life. What we're seeing is a fantastical Space Opera. A children's morality play. This kid's parents were Princess Leia and Han Solo and his uncles were the wise Luke Skywalker and love able Chewbacca (the four playable hero characters in the Battlefront video games and the blue/green "good" pieces in the Monopoly video game). He's named after the heroic and noble Ben Kenobi for crying out loud!

But no, he has "too much of Vader in him". Vader was a slave without a daddy, lost his momma to Tusken Raiders, was raised by weirdos, was told that he was some kind of chosen one but was treated like he was garbage, couldn't have sex with Natalie Portman and forbidden to experience love. He also got all of his limbs lobbed off and was burned alive. But yeah, lil' Ben is just like him.

So why is Kylo Ren being a little *****? He was even more privileged and better off than Luke who lived with his Aunt and Uncle in a ****hole desert shooting at rats for fun. Luke was tempted by evil and the same temptations, but he never gave in.

Maybe Ben asked a girl out on a date or to the space prom and she said no....so he was angry and therefore went to the "darkside"...

 

[guyver1]

Was uncle Owen the Anakin's mother or father's brother..why was his name Lars. This confused me about the PT and why did Anakin's father fall for a slave?

 

[DiFabio]

Originally, Obi-Wan was Uncle Owen's brother.

Then it was revised so that Owen was Anakin's step brother (Anakin's mom married Owen's dad).

 

[karamazov80]

The old man that Kylo killed on Jakku, his few spoken words did add a layer of social commentary onto Kylo.

He implied that Kylo came straight from respected royalty and not darkside trash like the FO, as in so why all the angst kid?

I always viewed Ripley, Mclane, Rambo and Riggs as all just regular working class folks whom were dealt a bad set of circumstances that challenged their character and integrity, making them rise up to the occassion coming out the other end damaged heroes.

Kylo being privaleged really makes his issues even less relatable.

Boom. You got it. Galactic "affluenza." Leia will probably try to break him out of prison once he finally gets caught, and smuggle him into Mexicalderan.

 

[jye4ever]

Well if it's like Kara said and we find out that Uncle Luke was molesting little Ben when he was a kid during his lightsaber training sessions, then yeah, I'll admit I was wrong. As it stands now though? He's a pretty pathetic character. The fact that Han and Leia still love him and try and reach out to him proves that they aren't terrible parents, so it can't be that. He has that whole emo "my parents never loved me" angst a teenager has (one of the reasons I thought Driver was playing a teenager/young adult) when he's telling Rey about "disappointing" dad's.

As for Khev's explanation, that's real life. What we're seeing is a fantastical Space Opera. A children's morality play. This kid's parents were Princess Leia and Han Solo and his uncles were the wise Luke Skywalker and love able Chewbacca (the four playable hero characters in the Battlefront video games and the blue/green "good" pieces in the Monopoly video game). He's named after the heroic and noble Ben Kenobi for crying out loud!

But no, he has "too much of Vader in him". Vader was a slave without a daddy, lost his momma to Tusken Raiders, was raised by weirdos, was told that he was some kind of chosen one but was treated like he was garbage, couldn't have sex with Natalie Portman and forbidden to experience love. He also got all of his limbs lobbed off and was burned alive. But yeah, lil' Ben is just like him.

So why is Kylo Ren being a little *****? He was even more privileged and better off than Luke who lived with his Aunt and Uncle in a ****hole desert shooting at rats for fun. Luke was tempted by evil and the same temptations, but he never gave in.

 

[cmiller99]

Sideshow Freaks don't like villain who whines and collects Darth Vader memorabilia. Not relatable.

 

[a-dev]

This thread is like the ROTS opening crawl. War! With heroes on both sides.

 

[jye4ever]

Not my life, mine is the TPM crawl, nothing but ****ing taxes coming out of my arse!

 

[a-dev]

Not my life, mine is the TPM crawl, nothing but ****ing taxes coming out of my arse!

and c***-blockades!

 

[xipotec]

Keep throwing this word around.....and no one is using it correctly....

Emo /ˈiːmoʊ/ is a style of rock music characterized by expressive, often confessional, lyrics. It originated in the mid-1980s hardcore punk movement of Washington, D.C., where it was known as "emotional hardcore" or "emocore" and pioneered by bands such as Rites of Spring and Embrace.

 

[guyver1]

Originally, Obi-Wan was Uncle Owen's brother.

Then it was revised so that Owen was Anakin's step brother (Anakin's mom married Owen's dad).

Ah, so Anakin isn't blood related to Owen. So why was Anakin's mom a slave?

 

[DiFabio]

Words and names can take on multiple meanings in culture that aren't strictly used as their definition intends.


****** for example. So when people say that Kylo Ren is an emo **** ****ing ****** *****, I know what they're talking about. I don't know how it emerged in the past decade or so, but it is what it is.

and c***-blockades!

Ooh, that's another one . . . I think.

 

[Khev]

 

[a-dev]

Ooh, that's another one . . . I think.

First time I ever heard c***-block was in Entourage.