Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[YoNoSe]

Reminds me of the Carbomite Maneuver from Star Trek.

I was more of a Buck Rogers guy back in the day. Biddy-biddy!

 

[Darth Snoopy]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to 12BarBlues again.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

The "circle jerk" claim is just the motto of people who don't like to be called on their online whining and like to pretend that "fans" can't handle opposing points of view. Nobody is fooled. The whiners and nitpickers desperately, *desperately* want people to agree with them. Which is why they post of course. Fans on the other hand tend to express themselves out of an outpouring positive enthusiasm. You like something, you want to talk about it.

It's not "fanboys who can't handle opposing points of view and need a circle jerk" and "whiners who are totally open to having their nitpicks exposed and corrected." Hell no. The whiners need the loving hands of those in agreement much more than the "fans" do.

Who "in real life" ever comments on something they like and then appreciates someone ripping it apart. "Beautiful sunset." "Yeah well I think it looks like a festering zit in the sky." Man this spaghetti is good." "Actually it tastes and looks like rat **** oozing through your teeth." That's idiotic. And if you did that in real life you'd be called out as a *******. There are ways to disagree, to have back and forths and even debates (and I've had literal debates in real life over whether a movie was good or not) but lets be real. If you can't shut up about why you don't like something online and don't want to consider any opposing points of view then chances are you're lacking something that an online discussion won't fix and maybe you should take a good look at yourself.

If you don't like being called out on that then do what I do and just skim the bull**** and interact with the people who are worth interacting with.

They gotta have them interweb cool points tho

 

[GasparZizou]

The "circle jerk" claim is just the motto of people who don't like to be called on their online whining and like to pretend that "fans" can't handle opposing points of view. Nobody is fooled. The whiners and nitpickers desperately, *desperately* want people to agree with them. Which is why they post of course. Fans on the other hand tend to express themselves out of an outpouring positive enthusiasm. You like something, you want to talk about it.

Eeeh? Really? I have seen people who criticize this movie agree and disagree with each other on things they like and dislike, back it up, and not make a fuzz about it.

It's not "fanboys who can't handle opposing points of view and need a circle jerk" and "whiners who are totally open to having their nitpicks exposed and corrected." Hell no. The whiners need the loving hands of those in agreement much more than the "fans" do.

Not really, not what I've seen in this thread anyway.

Who "in real life" ever comments on something they like and then appreciates someone ripping it apart. "Beautiful sunset." "Yeah well I think it looks like a festering zit in the sky." Man this spaghetti is good." "Actually it tastes and looks like rat **** oozing through your teeth." That's idiotic. And if you did that in real life you'd be called out as a *******. There are ways to disagree, to have back and forths and even debates (and I've had literal debates in real life over whether a movie was good or not) but lets be real. If you can't shut up about why you don't like something online and don't want to consider any opposing points of view then chances are you're lacking something that an online discussion won't fix and maybe you should take a good look at yourself. If you don't like being called out on that then do what I do and just skim the bull**** and interact with the people who are worth interacting with.

That's an exaggeration though, no one, from the hater side has called the movie a "festering zit in the sky" (except maybe Gully Foyle and even he had solid points), most of us, even DiFabio has had positive things to say, and hell, if you think it's a beautiful sunset to begin with then god bless you I've found out by experience, the people who love a franchise the most are the people who are most critical of it, have learned to not buy into the hype machine and the hive-mind of the fans.

 

[a-dev]

It really is though. The nitpicking thing (especially when the nitpicks aren't even correct) used to bug me but now I just skim past any criticism that's more than a line or two. And that includes things that have been said about the movie and characters like Kylo Ren even today. No one really listens to opposing points of view and everyone (on both sides of a discussion) simply preaches to their own choirs. The same people say the same things, the same other people say "yeah, awesome post," and so on.

If someone doesn't like a movie or part of a movie and is of the type to remind you every other second then you've just got to let them have their soapbox spiels and not get worked up about it.

EDIT: Actually there are a few exceptions to the above. a-dev, jye, and JAWS are all members who I've seen openly state that based on the points of view of others have considered re-evaluating various aspects of any given movie or topic. But they are the exceptions not the rule.

Thanks for that. What I would say though is that the film must already be overwhelmingly more good than bad if I am to re-evaluate an aspect that seemed bad but actually may not be bad according to a given argument. So if it's ROTS or Alien Resurrection or Terminator 3, there's almost nothing at all in those films that I actually like, they're just too far gone

Whereas The Force Awakens was clearly a very enjoyable film with just a few things I was a bit iffy about.

Turns out I'm not seeing it a second time in the cinema, my brother has spoiled the hell out of it for himself and unfortunately he reckons he's going to hate it.

 

[DiFabio]

I personally think there is hyperbole on both sides.

Someone's incessant praising and defending can be just as irritating as someone's "whining" and nitpicking. It's like a little kid with mental problems that won't shut up about their shiny new toy. The toy might be good and I may like it and own it as well, but if that kid keeps holding up said toy, sticking it in everyone's face trying to prove to everyone in the room that it's "special", every day, eventually I'm going to hit it away and/or want to snap it over my knee and make them cry. Doubly so if they try to say a particular view on said toy is "invalid" or wrong. That's just how it is.

I don't see it as a circle jerk mentality. It's usually just two or three people that are insecure about their thoughts pretending to be fashionable and contemporary. That's why those defensive as well as critical articles for and against something are so prominent. They're looking for consensus and conformity, which they're bound to get since they're online with millions of people at any given time. It's kind of pathetic. In the end though, it doesn't matter. Just a bunch of opinions over something that, in the scheme of things, is insignificant.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Prediction

Eleven months from now, you'll be posting that same post when Rogue One comes out and people here are whining about other people "whining" because a few fans don't consider the new SW film the greatest thing ever made. It'll never end...

 

[DiFabio]

Probably, everyone goes in circles on here. Not just with movies but with the toys, statues and dolls too.

At some point we'd be better off just saving our posts into a word document and copy/pasting them for later.

 

[olbertfrog]

Nope.
All Time Box Office Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation
But hey whatever float your boat

 

[YoNoSe]

Ribbit ribbit.

 

[YoNoSe]

It's like a little kid with mental problems that won't shut up about their shiny new toy. The toy might be good and I may like it and own it as well, but if that kid keeps holding up said toy, sticking it in everyone's face trying to prove to everyone in the room that it's "special", every day, eventually I'm going to hit it away and/or want to snap it over my knee and make them cry. Doubly so if they try to say a particular view on said toy is "invalid" or wrong. That's just how it is.

You should stop going to that kid's house.

I know this is a metaphor but still...that's ****ed up, dude.

 

[Deeznutz6]

The "circle jerk" claim is just the motto of people who don't like to be called on their online whining and like to pretend that "fans" can't handle opposing points of view. Nobody is fooled. The whiners and nitpickers desperately, *desperately* want people to agree with them. Which is why they post of course. Fans on the other hand tend to express themselves out of an outpouring positive enthusiasm. You like something, you want to talk about it.

It's not "fanboys who can't handle opposing points of view and need a circle jerk" and "whiners who are totally open to having their nitpicks exposed and corrected." Hell no. The whiners need the loving hands of those in agreement much more than the "fans" do.

Who "in real life" ever comments on something they like and then appreciates someone ripping it apart. "Beautiful sunset." "Yeah well I think it looks like a festering zit in the sky." Man this spaghetti is good." "Actually it tastes and looks like rat **** oozing through your teeth." That's idiotic. And if you did that in real life you'd be called out as a *******. There are ways to disagree, to have back and forths and even debates (and I've had literal debates in real life over whether a movie was good or not) but lets be real. If you can't shut up about why you don't like something online and don't want to consider any opposing points of view then chances are you're lacking something that an online discussion won't fix and maybe you should take a good look at yourself.

If you don't like being called out on that then do what I do and just skim the bull**** and interact with the people who are worth interacting with.

Great post Khev

 

[DiFabio]

You should stop going to that kid's house.

That's the thing, I thought about it, but then I realized it's not his house!

 

[jye4ever]

enters its fourth weekend as the newly crowned king of the world. While we still don't have official numbers, by the end of today it will have passed Avatar to become the highest grossing domestic release of all-time. Its domestic haul this weekend, however, may be of secondary interest to its Saturday, January 9 release in China, the second largest movie market in the world.



It wasn't until June of 2015 that the first three Star Wars films were first screened in China and the prequels only grossed a combined $18.7 million upon their 1999, 2002 and 2005 release. Disney, however, has gone all out with their marketing efforts in China for Force Awakens and, this weekend, the result of their efforts will be revealed.



The Force Awakens' international take so far has accounted for 51.3% of its overall box office. By comparison, 72.7% of Avatar's worldwide box office came from overseas and 60.9% of Jurassic World's total came from international territories. Both grossed over $200 million in China. Whether Star Wars will meet or exceed their success is a question it seems no one is ready to answer with any confidence.

 

[YoNoSe]

That's the thing, I thought about it, but then I realized it's not his house!

 

[The Ween]

Nope.
All Time Box Office Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation
But hey whatever float your boat

Though this matters to me, it doesn't to most. And the media doesn't consider this important either, they just go by todays money.

 

[rushmore223]

enters its fourth weekend as the newly crowned king of the world. While we still don't have official numbers, by the end of today it will have passed Avatar to become the highest grossing domestic release of all-time. Its domestic haul this weekend, however, may be of secondary interest to its Saturday, January 9 release in China, the second largest movie market in the world.



It wasn't until June of 2015 that the first three Star Wars films were first screened in China and the prequels only grossed a combined $18.7 million upon their 1999, 2002 and 2005 release. Disney, however, has gone all out with their marketing efforts in China for Force Awakens and, this weekend, the result of their efforts will be revealed.



The Force Awakens' international take so far has accounted for 51.3% of its overall box office. By comparison, 72.7% of Avatar's worldwide box office came from overseas and 60.9% of Jurassic World's total came from international territories. Both grossed over $200 million in China. Whether Star Wars will meet or exceed their success is a question it seems no one is ready to answer with any confidence.

Unfortunately, everything I've been hearing in regards to China doesn't bode well for TFA. Pre-sales are uninspiring, polls show more people have interest in Kung Fu Panda 3 than TFA, and many that have seen the OT (in China) aren't too impressed with it. I would love to see TFA beat Avatar, simply for bragging rights, but I think it's pretty unlikely at this point. Though, pretty sure it will sink the Titanic.

Hope what I've read is wrong.

 

[rushmore223]

Though this matters to me, it doesn't to most. And the media doesn't consider this important either, they just go by todays money.

It should just count number of tickets sold to gauge success. Problem solved.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Unfortunately, everything I've been hearing in regards to China doesn't bode well for TFA. Pre-sales are uninspiring, polls show more people have interest in Kung Fu Panda 3 than TFA, and many that have seen the OT (in China) aren't too impressed with it. I would love to see TFA beat Avatar, simply for bragging rights, but I think it's pretty unlikely at this point. Though, pretty sure it will sink the Titanic.

Hope what I've read is wrong.

Honestly, even if it does well in China, I don't think it'll make enough to beat Avatar.

 

[Khev]

But didn't a fan write that huge top ten list of reasons as to why TFA is the greatest SW film ever made and then another fan posted the list here.....so that writer is in no way trying to convince anyone that there's nothing wrong with the film because he wants people to view the film as he does? Ok... It's not just the Kylo Rens...I mean, the whiners and nitpickers who desperately need people to agree with them.

I posted that top 10 list here (assuming I'm thinking of the one you are talking about) because it had some great commentary for people who *liked* the film. That's why I led off with something like "It's a long read but for those who liked the movie here it is." I didn't think for one second that someone who didn't like the film would even want to read it, let alone have their mind be changed by it.

Eeeh? Really? I have seen people who criticize this movie agree and disagree with each other on things they like and dislike, back it up, and not make a fuzz about it.

Oh yes. That's why in that same post I said "There are ways to disagree, to have back and forths and even debates..." But to have a proper debate you need to digest and consider what others are saying. But when someone really loves and enjoys something what incentive do they really have to stop and allow someone who is complaining about it to change their perspective so that they enjoy it less? Who wants to have "less fun" in life? No one. And on the flip side, if you just like venting your frustration, reading your own posts, and getting praise from other people who also like to complain then what incentive do you have to consider how your complaints might be unfounded? Not a lot. Hence my point that no one really listens to anyone that they aren't already mostly in agreement with.

So you don't need to throw out terms like "circle jerking" because everyone is doing it. Everyone. Some people apparently can't handle that other people *like certain movies too much.* If your passion bubble is THAT close to the surface that someone liking a movie *in a thread dedicated to that movie* is a genuinely irritating aspect of your day then dude, get a grip. Not you personally but anyone who is that fragile. Oh no someone likes Avatar more than The Godfather. Or Rey more than Luke. Or Bedknobs and Broomsticks more than 101 ****ing Dalmatians. Who cares.

And regarding the "people who overpraise are just as annoying as those who complain." The **** they are. That's like saying "people who put sugar in my cereal are just as bad as people who piss in it, because I don't want too much sugar." Um NO, I might not need extra sugar or even any at all but I'll take that over piss in my bowl every day of the week. Just sayin'.