Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)
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Like you wouldn't watch that movie and then come back here and say, "Well I thought it was entertaining and that's all that matters to me."
Like you wouldn't watch that movie and then come back here and say, "Well I thought it was entertaining and that's all that matters to me."
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I haven't heard an idea from anyone yet that doesn't suck
I haven't heard an idea from anyone yet that doesn't suck
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Vader's hung like a piece of bacon. After ROTS his baby making days are over.
Vader's hung like a piece of bacon. After ROTS his baby making days are over.
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Nope
Like you wouldn't watch that movie and then come back here and say, "Well I thought it was entertaining and that's all that matters to me."
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QFT
While new Star Wars movioes seem like a no brainer, coming up with good stories is a very hard one.
One one hand some people are eager to bring back the cast from the OT and see them in new adventures. But let's be honest here. They are simply too old to be believeable as action heroes, and there seems to be no logical direction that thier story could go with the sith and empire defeated.
On the other hand some people want to see a brand new story with new characters that just happens to be set in the Star Wars universe, possibly with the old cast making an appearance to "pass the torch" to a new generation.
This again feels wierd, as it awkwardly seperates the new films. The series in the end has always centered around the Skywalker family (specifically in thier relationships with Anakin), with the PT being about the rise of the empire and Vader's curruption and the OT being about Luke defeating the empire and redeeming Vader. They form a nice neat story. Suddenly introducting brand new characters we don't know or care about facing a new threat we equally dont know or care about would make these new films feel tacked on and "seperate" from the whole saga.
Honestly the only idea that ive heard so far that I really like is just remaking the prequels so they don't suck.
QFTWhile new Star Wars movioes seem like a no brainer, coming up with good stories is a very hard one.
One one hand some people are eager to bring back the cast from the OT and see them in new adventures. But let's be honest here. They are simply too old to be believeable as action heroes, and there seems to be no logical direction that thier story could go with the sith and empire defeated.
On the other hand some people want to see a brand new story with new characters that just happens to be set in the Star Wars universe, possibly with the old cast making an appearance to "pass the torch" to a new generation.
This again feels wierd, as it awkwardly seperates the new films. The series in the end has always centered around the Skywalker family (specifically in thier relationships with Anakin), with the PT being about the rise of the empire and Vader's curruption and the OT being about Luke defeating the empire and redeeming Vader. They form a nice neat story. Suddenly introducting brand new characters we don't know or care about facing a new threat we equally dont know or care about would make these new films feel tacked on and "seperate" from the whole saga.
Honestly the only idea that ive heard so far that I really like is just remaking the prequels so they don't suck.
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Which of course isn't going to happen. As to the rest of your post, it would all be fine if they simply didn't call it Episode VII.
Which of course isn't going to happen. As to the rest of your post, it would all be fine if they simply didn't call it Episode VII.
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Am I remembering wrong when I think that Michael Arndt is writing a screenplay based on Lucas' story which he has been sitting on for a long while?
Am I remembering wrong when I think that Michael Arndt is writing a screenplay based on Lucas' story which he has been sitting on for a long while?
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Yeah, the issue I see with the EU stuff is that it's always "Oh there's a Sith bad guy, OK" and it just happens over and over again and there's hardly a point. That's one reason I liked the Yuuzhan Vong invasion storyline because it introduced a completely different enemy and brought a ton of new elements to the story.
While new Star Wars movioes seem like a no brainer, coming up with good stories is a very hard one.
One one hand some people are eager to bring back the cast from the OT and see them in new adventures. But let's be honest here. They are simply too old to be believeable as action heroes, and there seems to be no logical direction that thier story could go with the sith and empire defeated.
On the other hand some people want to see a brand new story with new characters that just happens to be set in the Star Wars universe, possibly with the old cast making an appearance to "pass the torch" to a new generation.
This again feels wierd, as it awkwardly seperates the new films. The series in the end has always centered Skywalker family (specifically in thier relationships with Anakin), with the PT being about the rise of the empire and Vader's curruption and the OT being about Luke defeating the empire and redeeming Vader. They form a nice neat story. Suddenly introducting brand new characters we don't know or care about facing a new threat we equally dont know or care about would make these new films feel tacked on and "seperate" from the whole saga.
Honestly the only idea that ive heard so far that I really like is just remaking the prequels so they don't suck.
Yeah, the issue I see with the EU stuff is that it's always "Oh there's a Sith bad guy, OK" and it just happens over and over again and there's hardly a point. That's one reason I liked the Yuuzhan Vong invasion storyline because it introduced a completely different enemy and brought a ton of new elements to the story.
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The Sith won in the PT. The Jedi won in the OT. We need a new trilogy to break the tie.
The PT/OT turned into one giant episode of Family Matters. I'd like to see one last Jedi and one last Sith face each other once and for all unfettered by being secret siblings/lovers/parent or child. Star Wars and the Force is much bigger than one family's last name. Epic good, epic evil let them clash like Obi-Wan and Maul did at the end of TPM, but with an OT feel and scope.
The Sith won in the PT. The Jedi won in the OT. We need a new trilogy to break the tie.
The PT/OT turned into one giant episode of Family Matters. I'd like to see one last Jedi and one last Sith face each other once and for all unfettered by being secret siblings/lovers/parent or child. Star Wars and the Force is much bigger than one family's last name. Epic good, epic evil let them clash like Obi-Wan and Maul did at the end of TPM, but with an OT feel and scope.
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May 2008...
TOTAL FILM: "Are you happy for new Star Wars tales to be told after you're gone?"
LUCAS: "I've left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That's because there isn't any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."
there was a great deal of story to be told within the prequel era and we all know how that turned out… the sequel trilogy really only has characters as a starting point… old, flabby, aging, characters… how does the new writer compete with villains such as Vader and Palpatine? how does one squeeze a story out with all the confines of the chosen timeline and make it trilogy worthy?
May 2008...
TOTAL FILM: "Are you happy for new Star Wars tales to be told after you're gone?"
LUCAS: "I've left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That's because there isn't any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."
there was a great deal of story to be told within the prequel era and we all know how that turned out… the sequel trilogy really only has characters as a starting point… old, flabby, aging, characters… how does the new writer compete with villains such as Vader and Palpatine? how does one squeeze a story out with all the confines of the chosen timeline and make it trilogy worthy?
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Haha, true. But dreaming is fun.
For me the only thing that is worse than a bad movie is a movie which could be great if it weren't for some bad elements.
Under all the CGI and crappy acting there is what could have been a good story in the PT. I just find it such a shame that it was carried out in the worst possible way. You won't believe how long ive spent "rewriting" these films in my head.
Haha, true. But dreaming is fun.
For me the only thing that is worse than a bad movie is a movie which could be great if it weren't for some bad elements.
Under all the CGI and crappy acting there is what could have been a good story in the PT. I just find it such a shame that it was carried out in the worst possible way. You won't believe how long ive spent "rewriting" these films in my head.
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Now that the giant Death Star that has caused entire solar systems to be desolate has been put down with one well placed shot maybe Five Galactic Armies can all clash in an attempt to win control of the remaining star systems....
Now that the giant Death Star that has caused entire solar systems to be desolate has been put down with one well placed shot maybe Five Galactic Armies can all clash in an attempt to win control of the remaining star systems....
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OMG, I'm so glad I'm not the only one! I tend to take a position of defending the prequels to people who hate them, but that's not because of what they are, it's because of what I imagine they could be based on the story elements there!. If only Lucas had let another writer come in and polish up his outlines, then let other people direct while he produced, those prequels would have been an entirely different beast altogether...
I'm still wondering if there are alternate takes of scenes, or deleted scenes sitting around - if a talented film editor could come in and at least rework what's already there. But a total redo would be the ultimate dream that will never happen.
OMG, I'm so glad I'm not the only one! I tend to take a position of defending the prequels to people who hate them, but that's not because of what they are, it's because of what I imagine they could be based on the story elements there!. If only Lucas had let another writer come in and polish up his outlines, then let other people direct while he produced, those prequels would have been an entirely different beast altogether...
I'm still wondering if there are alternate takes of scenes, or deleted scenes sitting around - if a talented film editor could come in and at least rework what's already there. But a total redo would be the ultimate dream that will never happen.
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The IMAX cut of AOTC is one of my SW holy grails. I hope Disney releases it in an upcoming set. I've heard it actually makes the film half-decent and is technically an "official" release and not some fan edit.
The IMAX cut of AOTC is one of my SW holy grails. I hope Disney releases it in an upcoming set. I've heard it actually makes the film half-decent and is technically an "official" release and not some fan edit.
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You know, my mind keeps wandering back to that strange "force planet" that Lucas introduced in the Clone Wars - the episodes that focused around Anakin's destiny as the chosen one. I keep thinking there is potential surrounding that as a story element, at least. Lucas came up with the idea for those episodes, so they are as close to canon as possible.
In those episodes, Anakin was not only revealed to be the one who would bring balance to the Force, he was also sort of made the "keeper" of that balance - and now he's dead. Would there be a danger that the force might fall into chaos?
See, I think it's critical to keep this story centered on the Skywalker family and the nature of the Force. Because Anakin is dead, doesn't mean that his tragedy couldn't have consequences for future generations and the SW galaxy as a whole. Bringing back Luke, Leia, and Han as supporting characters seems like a natural choice. New central characters that are members of, or friends/enemies with the Skywalker family would drive the action. Who's to say all members of the new Skywalker clan will be heroic? And they never did quite get around to spelling out the Story of how Palpatine came to be both a Senator and a Sith Lord and what his relationship with Shmi Skywalker was. He pretty heavily inferred that he had manipulated the force to create Anakin and used Shmi as a vessel to carry the child - how did this come to be? If true, that would, in essence, make Palpatine Anakin's father and Luke and Leia's grandfather, so very much part of the Skywalker family history.
I think there are enough lose ends in place to tell a new chapter...
You know, my mind keeps wandering back to that strange "force planet" that Lucas introduced in the Clone Wars - the episodes that focused around Anakin's destiny as the chosen one. I keep thinking there is potential surrounding that as a story element, at least. Lucas came up with the idea for those episodes, so they are as close to canon as possible.
In those episodes, Anakin was not only revealed to be the one who would bring balance to the Force, he was also sort of made the "keeper" of that balance - and now he's dead. Would there be a danger that the force might fall into chaos?
See, I think it's critical to keep this story centered on the Skywalker family and the nature of the Force. Because Anakin is dead, doesn't mean that his tragedy couldn't have consequences for future generations and the SW galaxy as a whole. Bringing back Luke, Leia, and Han as supporting characters seems like a natural choice. New central characters that are members of, or friends/enemies with the Skywalker family would drive the action. Who's to say all members of the new Skywalker clan will be heroic? And they never did quite get around to spelling out the Story of how Palpatine came to be both a Senator and a Sith Lord and what his relationship with Shmi Skywalker was. He pretty heavily inferred that he had manipulated the force to create Anakin and used Shmi as a vessel to carry the child - how did this come to be? If true, that would, in essence, make Palpatine Anakin's father and Luke and Leia's grandfather, so very much part of the Skywalker family history.
I think there are enough lose ends in place to tell a new chapter...
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I don't think you're the only one that thinks the PT have the inklings of a good story buried deep. The true problem with the PT is that they were never fully fleshed out properly. The movies are very much just a broad outline of plot points with no real sense of motivation from the characters or situation. They needed a good few re-writes from an experience screenwriter before they should have started filming.
I can see that the basic framework is there, but the way the characters go from point A to point B are ridiculous and show no character development or logical motivation. For instance, Padme is supposed to fall in love with Anakin in Ep 2. She does, but for no good reason whatsoever. If anything, he gives her every reason to run away! And it wouldn't take much to have fixed it either. You could have had Anakin and Padme ambushed on his way to escorting her back to Naboo (which is also a ridiculous decision--why "hide" in your homeworld? Wouldn't you try and hide somewhere where no-one would think to look for you?). Then have the story go in the same way as ESB. Anakin would demonstrate how talented he is as a pilot and how safe he is able to keep her as they escape from the ambush, giving Padme SOMETHING to like. Just like Han showed Leia.
Anyway, I'm not terribly worried about the new trilogy. I am confident that the movies will, at the very least, make sense and be exciting and fun. And not have eye-rolling bad dialogue.
I don't think you're the only one that thinks the PT have the inklings of a good story buried deep. The true problem with the PT is that they were never fully fleshed out properly. The movies are very much just a broad outline of plot points with no real sense of motivation from the characters or situation. They needed a good few re-writes from an experience screenwriter before they should have started filming.
I can see that the basic framework is there, but the way the characters go from point A to point B are ridiculous and show no character development or logical motivation. For instance, Padme is supposed to fall in love with Anakin in Ep 2. She does, but for no good reason whatsoever. If anything, he gives her every reason to run away! And it wouldn't take much to have fixed it either. You could have had Anakin and Padme ambushed on his way to escorting her back to Naboo (which is also a ridiculous decision--why "hide" in your homeworld? Wouldn't you try and hide somewhere where no-one would think to look for you?). Then have the story go in the same way as ESB. Anakin would demonstrate how talented he is as a pilot and how safe he is able to keep her as they escape from the ambush, giving Padme SOMETHING to like. Just like Han showed Leia.
Anyway, I'm not terribly worried about the new trilogy. I am confident that the movies will, at the very least, make sense and be exciting and fun. And not have eye-rolling bad dialogue.
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??? Did not know about this? I'm intrigued!
??? Did not know about this? I'm intrigued!
