Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[RavenEye]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I'd like to see someone make a shark tornado using practical FX

Let's see I need two 2 liter bottles, a 2-way connector valve, Water, 2 inch Sharks and a classroom of 2nd Graders.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I'd like to see someone make a shark tornado using practical FX

I'm sure they told Spielberg the same thing about Jurassic Park. Then he called up SWS and had them produce a full scale animatronic T-Rex.

 

[darthviper107]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I'm sure they told Spielberg the same thing about Jurassic Park. Then he called up SWS and had them produce a full scale animatronic T-Rex.

The only reason why CGI is in Jurassic Park is because SWS tried their own practical FX and it wasn't as good as the results with CGI. Only certain shots were done with the animatronic one they made, for things that were easy to do that way--for instance the shot of the T-Rex foot coming down and squishing into the mud would be very difficult to do with CG at the time because of the simulations. Very easy to do with practical FX though. However you can't get an animatronic dinosaur to run so that was done with CG.

 

[automaton]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

CGI can absolutely be the issue. The prequels would've been at least 15% better had they been filmed in real locations and didn't look like plastic.

i like "real" locations as much as the next guy but even they couldn't have made Attack of the Clones 15 % better.

 

[Kamandi]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

The cut scenes for The Old Republic video game are better looking than the battle scenes for AOTC.

That's why you have to go out and film stuff. If the scene is completely synthetic the technology will eventually become visible and dated looking.

 

[stshammgod]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

The cut scenes for The Old Republic video game are better looking than the battle scenes for AOTC.

That's why you have to go out and film stuff. If the scene is completely synthetic the technology will eventually become visible and dated looking.

It's funny you say that because it's all about how it's done. The jungle in Avatar I know cannot be a real place on earth, but it looked legit.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

The only reason why CGI is in Jurassic Park is because SWS tried their own practical FX and it wasn't as good as the results with CGI. Only certain shots were done with the animatronic one they made, for things that were easy to do that way--for instance the shot of the T-Rex foot coming down and squishing into the mud would be very difficult to do with CG at the time because of the simulations. Very easy to do with practical FX though. However you can't get an animatronic dinosaur to run so that was done with CG.

Ah, but that's not the point. CP and I had already discussed that. Your comment was:

For the most part, CG is used when there's no other choice. Sometimes directors make bad choices that can only be done with CG, but a lot of the stuff in the PT would not have been as good if they had to shoot in only places that existed. The main thing that would have helped would have been a better script. Many of the bad acting scenes like the stuff with Anakin and Padme were in real locations (like stuff on Naboo or Tatooine) so it wasn't all the bluescreen that caused those scenes to be bad.

Which is completely inaccurate. There are several filmmakers who rely solely on CG and don't even consider practical effects. It's not even "for the most part" anymore with bad CG showing up in many, many films nowadays, from the last Rambo to this latest RoboCop reboot. It's not a matter of "there's no other choice," but more, "we'll add it in post." from effects to background elements.

 

[darthviper107]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

What I said is completely accurate--that's also why I used phrases like "for the most part" and "Sometimes" to account for those special cases.

 

[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I prefer Digital CAMERAS to traditional film. allows for more malability of the finished product.

I also prefer a mix of real-world locations and practical effects, with the finished parts of the those practical effects possibly reciving some CGI polish to help them along IF IT IS NEEDED.

I kinda agree that too many people overuse it these days.

 

[K07]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I prefer Digital CAMERAS to traditional film. allows for more malability of the finished product.

That is a positive of digital cameras, however, I feel it makes everyone a bit lazy and sloppy if that's the only reason they're doing it. Film has been around for over a century and great films have been made without the malleability of the finished product. I don't hate every digital movie I see. I just prefer film. I think the fact this movie is being shot in film is so exciting because it's a sign that they're going back to conventions that made the OT special. They want to distance themselves away from the bad parts of the PT. The glossy video game cutscenes that AotC and RotS were made up of need to be ditched if these movies are going to be embraced by OT fans.

I also prefer a mix of real-world locations and practical effects, with the finished parts of the those practical effects possibly reciving some CGI polish to help them along IF IT IS NEEDED.

I kinda agree that too many people overuse it these days.

I think CGI can be used artistically like in 300 and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. Those movies are charming for the way they were shot and made. The PT, however, didn't feel charming because it supposedly took place in the same world as the OT but it didn't look or feel like that same world at times.

 

[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

it's also worth noting that these film versions will need to be converted to digital, which may result in a decay of quality.

Digital generaly lends itself to a much clearer image as well.

To me, shooting with "traditional film" on this project feels more like a publicity stunt than anything else. One desgined to generate exactly the sort of response in people that it already has in you K07.

that's not nessacaraly a BAD thing, it's just not nessacaraly a good one either.

 

[Sachiel]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Oh boy...

 

[darthviper107]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

necessarily

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Ever since I changed to Google Chrome I've discovered that I am a terrible speller. It gave my confidence a knock as I thought that was one of my stronger points.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Two more years of digital vs. film discussion.

 

[RavenEye]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Two more years of digital vs. film discussion.

 

[automaton]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

The cut scenes for The Old Republic video game are better looking than the battle scenes for AOTC.

That's why you have to go out and film stuff. If the scene is completely synthetic the technology will eventually become visible and dated looking.

more importantly, the cut scenes are filled with compelling storytelling... i want to know more about these characters... i didn't feel this way during AOTC. i would rather watch a "cartoon" that feels human than a human that feels like a cartoon.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Disney CEO says Star Wars will follow the Marvel mold on its road to success.

He said look at Avengers.

 

[darthviper107]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

That doesn't actually make sense as far as Star Wars is concerned.

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

That isn't news. Star Wars will be the central franchise movie (ala Avengers) with other projects released around it centering on one specific character.