Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

In the very first outline of Return of the Jedi according to J.W. Rinzler, Palpatine was going to fight with a lightsaber. So it wasn't something that GL retconned for the prequels.

Palpatine's line in the actual film about it being a "Jedi's weapon" retconned the outline, so yes, the PT by extension retconned ROTJ.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Palpatine's line in the actual film about it being a "Jedi's weapon" retconned the outline, so yes, the PT by extension retconned ROTJ.

But Vader's been sporting one since Star Wars.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

But Vader's been sporting one since Star Wars.

Yes, Vader the ex-JEDI, and the last of his kind outside of Luke, Ben, and Yoda. Even Tarkin referred to him as such.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I personally never really thought George was making a solid distinction there for him to later ''contradict''. A sith is a jedi, a 'dark-side' jedi. Both can have lightsabers. Although it was my preference that maybe Yoda and Palpatine were beyond using them.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

A sith is a jedi,

No....

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

No....

Then it further disproves your point. "Ex-Jedi" =/= Jedi. Vader was a lord of the Sith, hence the "Darth" title...yet, he had a lightsaber. Tarkin's "ancient religion" comment was referring to the use of the Force (which both sides do), but you knew you used that out of context.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Then it further disproves your point.

Nope......

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Nope......

Keep the blinders on then.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Keep the blinders on then.

You not understanding the dialogue of the films =/= me having blinders. But by all means claim "victory" if it makes you feel better.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

You not understanding the dialogue of the films =/= me having blinders. But by all means claim "victory" if it makes you feel better.

So you think Tarkin thought Vader was a Jedi?

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Darth should be a name, not a title.

Emperor, Lord, Senator, Princess, Captain, Commander are titles.

Darth, Moff, Han, Palpatine, Wedge, Numb Nuts (Falcon pilot) are names.

So Darth Maul should really be called Fred Maul.

 

[stshammgod]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

As far as I remember it, "Darth" is short for Dark Lord of the Sith. I don't have a problem with it being a title

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

So you think Tarkin thought Vader was a Jedi?

He recognized that Vader was an extension of the Jedi ("you are all that is left of their religion.") Ex-Jedi or not he clearly kept some of their trappings. No other "Sith" was an ex-Jedi or Tarkin wouldn't have made that comment.

 

[stshammgod]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Well, Dooku was an ex Jedi, but that's PT...

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Darth should be a name, not a title.

Emperor, Lord, Senator, Princess, Captain, Commander are titles.

Darth, Moff, Han, Palpatine, Wedge, Numb Nuts (Falcon pilot) are names.

So Darth Maul should really be called Fred Maul.

To Lucas, Darth = Dark. So Vader's title was Dark Father. To counter Khev's upcoming point, in the first draft Prince Valorum was a Sith Lord, so the concept of Sith and Jedi were long established even before Tarkin's dialogue was finalized. So there was a distinction between the light and dark sides of force-users. So they didn't give Vader a lightsaber because he was a "former Jedi."

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Well, Dooku was an ex Jedi, but that's PT...

Exactly.

Remember everything that was unique or cool in OT had to just be done all over again in the PT.

 

[AIR]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

You guys have got to be kidding me with these arguments
It is what it is and that's it

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

You guys have got to be kidding me with these arguments
It is what it is and that's it

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

You guys have got to be kidding me with these arguments
It is what it is and that's it

True, the PT definitely could have been worse I'll give you that.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Technically Darth was a name and not a title I believe. Why else would they sometimes refer to him as Lord Vader? I would think Lord is more of a title term and not Darth. Like others said Darth was a name that meant Dark. Then again I am guessing. I never really gave it much thought until now.