Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Not saying your wrong, but the wiki says it was added in 1981. Wouldnt be the first time a wiki was wrong.

Yep definitely wrong. I am old enough to have lived it sadly. LOL...it was tacked on earlier. By 1981 Empire was already out and the ANH title was definitely added way before ESB was released.


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[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Yep definitely wrong. I am old enough to have lived it sadly. LOL...it was tacked on earlier. By 1981 Empire was already out and the ANH title was definitely added way before ESB was released.

Pretty much every official source contradicts your memory though. I've learned it isn't wise to trust 30+ year old childhood memories when it comes to SW or other movies. Remember all the kids at school who swore up and down that they saw Hobbie crashing into Veers' AT-AT on the big screen?

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Pretty much every official source contradicts your memory though. I've learned it isn't wise to trust 30+ year old childhood memories when it comes to SW or other movies. Remember all the kids at school who swore up and down that they saw Hobbie crashing into Veers' AT-AT on the big screen?

Nope my long term memory is very good especially when it comes to Star Wars stuff. I even discussed it with my Uncle a few times who concurs the same memory. It definitely was slapped on there before 1981. Sorry...but I know what I know from what I saw.



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[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Nope my long term memory is very good especially when it comes to Star Wars stuff. I even discussed it with my Uncle a few times who concurs the same memory. It definitely was slapped on there before 1981. Sorry...but I know what I know from what I saw.

Well then ask yourself why is every single SW archive and historical record wrong while only you remember correctly? Find one website or reference, anywhere, that does NOT say ANH was added in 1981. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I certainly don't remember the exact year I first noticed it, but I'm curious as to whether you can find any evidence, anywhere, to support your alleged memories.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I also remember my Uncle saying to me why is the first one now saying part IV? Then he said I guess when the sequel comes out it will be Episode V? And we laughed about it right In the theater. I remember it like it happened yesterday. I saw it living in NYC...so maybe it was only changed in certain areas and was changed everywhere by 1981? Not sure but again I remember very clearly seeing it changed before Empire.

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[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Well you certainly aren't the first person to remember SW differently than history recorded it. Funny how some things imprint, correctly and incorrectly.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Well then ask yourself why is every single SW archive and historical record wrong while only you remember correctly? Find one website or reference, anywhere, that does NOT say ANH was added in 1981. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I certainly don't remember the exact year I first noticed it, but I'm curious as to whether you can find any evidence, anywhere, to support your alleged memories.

Don't take this the wrong way..but it is not worth it to me that much that I have to now go and search endlessly for evidence to prove myself. LOL....believe what you want to believe. I don't really care enough to start a court case over it. I was just sharing a childhood memory for the sake of discussing Star Wars. I am not about to go nuts arguing with people that will waste pages of this thread on that. So forget I said anything and we can move on. So ok...it was changed in 1981 because others have stated as such.



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[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I didn't realize that typing one phrase into Google was starting a court case.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I didn't realize that typing one phrase into Google was starting a court case.

All I meant was I didn't want to work at proving something for someone else's sake. It's not my issue, it is yours. However being the sporting man that I am and for the sake of having a good debate, I did just do a quick search and found this quote from someone on a website. First here is the quote that pretty much says what I said and then underneath the quote is the link to actual website.


Here is what really happened: Initially, it was not called Episode IV or A New Hope. Initially, there was only going to be one movie, but shortly after it was released, it was really successful, and Lucas was going to make more.
The movie was re-released in 1978 (roughly 1 year after the original premiere). The initial crawl was redone including Episode IV: A New Hope. The music was also changed a bit (to what you now know and love) and the background with the stars was also changed (again, to what you now know and love).


https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/872/why-did-lucas-begin-the-episode-numbering-at-iv


So again, this is what I remember and to be honest (and not to sound rude about it) but half the people writing things on the internet today are too young to have actually lived this stuff for real.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Another quote from someone who reviewed the copy of the film on DVD posted on Amazon....

"For one I'm glad George is finally releasing the ORIGINAL 1977 version on DVD. I'm not sure, but I believe that might also mean the original opening crawl before "episode IV" was added (that was in the 1978 re-release)."

Link is here..... https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Episode-New-Hope/product-reviews/6301773551?pageNumber=85

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Thanks. I had remembered ANH to exist prior to 1981 as well but every record always seemed to contradict me. Nice to see that there are others who have a similar recollection.

I'm still not convinced that you and I are "correct" but at least there are others who agree (or share our lunacy.)

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Thanks. I had remembered ANH to exist prior to 1981 as well but every record always seemed to contradict me. Nice to see that there are others who have a similar recollection.

No problem man!! it's like that commercial where they say "I read it on the internet, so it has to be true." No.....it doesn't.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I'm still not convinced that you and I are "correct" but at least there are others who agree (or share our lunacy.)

Search your feelings..you know it to be true....

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[DiFabio]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Regardless of what year, the fact remains that the title was changed after Star Wars' original theatrical run. That first release was STAR WARS, the posters, merchandise, advertising and promotional material was STAR WARS.

It just goes to show Lucas was always a tinkering nut job. I could have sworn he preached and advocated the preservation of film and cinema of classic films, yet it seems he does his damnedest to erase/rewrite 1977, 1980, and 1983.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Regardless of what year, the fact remains that the title was changed after Star Wars' original theatrical run. That first release was STAR WARS, the posters, merchandise, advertising and promotional material was STAR WARS.

It just goes to show Lucas was always a tinkering nut job. I could have sworn he preached and advocated the preservation of film and cinema of classic films, yet it seems he does his damnedest to erase/rewrite 1977, 1980, and 1983.

Yep!! That was my original point before all the year stuff debate. He has tinkered with his films even way back when so his OCD towards Star Wars was always there.


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[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Regardless of what year, the fact remains that the title was changed after Star Wars' original theatrical run. That first release was STAR WARS, the posters, merchandise, advertising and promotional material was STAR WARS.

I know! Star Wars. First movie. The end. So where the hell are SW II, III, and IV that detail the events between SW and ESB?

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

That actually would have been more clever. Maybe there were 4 other adventures before Empire where the heroes are on Hoth?

If I were somehow in charge back in the day though, I would have just dropped those obnoxious episodes completely. Empire would have been "Star Wars II", etc. etc. I think the nod and inspiration to the old serials shines through with the scroll and subject matter alone. That whole "planned saga" with episodic changes bugs me.

 

[Indiana]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Don't forget if their name is "Darth".



That's another thing the prequels sort of ruined. Why do all Sith's wield red light sabers? "Darth" is a title? Why? The Emperor was just known as Palpatine back in the 80s. There was no Sidious bull****. Why couldn't Darth Vader have been unique? I mean, in Star Wars, Obi-Wan REFERS to him as "Darth" as HIS name, not some surname passed down from warrior to warrior. That just seemed lame to me. I remember seeing "Darth Maul" and "Darth Sidious" for the first time back during the Phantom Menace and just scratching my head. Now, there's a hundred different "Darths".

I had seen something, (I thought it was on these forums, but I might be wrong) that someone said that a good way to think or the line in ANH is that Obi-Wan is almost taunting him with the title. Just envision that your best friend has become the ultimate bad guy and has taken on a title that the both of you had fought so much against. I absolutely would not even acknowledge his real name. So, he doesn't call him by his made up name (Vader), but by the evil title he has taken on. (Like calling someone General in a mocking tone if the both of you had grown up hating the military, and you still do) I do agree that Lucas got really bad at names by Episode I. They just got worse and worse.

For some reason it popped into my head tonight - Luke's question in ESB - ''How will I know the good side from the bad?'' Well apparently in this universe good and evil are pretty clearly distinguishable. Everyone you killed on the Death Star was evil, don't worry about it. And Evil Jedis will always, without exception, wield red lightsabers - jot this down if you have to but I don't think you should need to as its fairly straightforward - they will also tend to wear black outfits. Heck some of them will outright look like demons - but failing that just remember, red lightsabers. And that's it Luke. You see, we do indeed deal in absolutes here.

To be fair a little bit to the prequels, Vader slaughtered all of those children with his blue lightsaber. He only switched to his red lightsaber after he was defeated by Obi-Wan. Again, a lot of what happens in the prequels and EU ruin so much of the mystique of the original movies. But the question was more identifying it in is mind before he starts down the path. From Yoda's teaching, it sounded like you make one little compromise, and the dark side will consume you.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

A New Hope sounds like a Superman movie.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I always looked at the saber colors as a rank in itself sort of like belt colors in karate. Blue is Jedi in training and Jedi Knight. Green means you are at master level. Red is what a Sith uses which represents anger, rage and being the opposite of what a Jedi stands for. Of course SJ screwed all that up by requesting a purple one. That is one thing I agreed with Lucas and he shouldn't have given in on.

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