Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Yeah if it was this title representing a badass rank people would have been calling Vader "Darth" all the time, instead of just Ben who was trying to take him down a notch.

That was Obi-Wan pulling a Clarence Boddicker: "Look at my face ****!"

 

[Magpie 7]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

If Moff is supposed to be Tarkin's first name, then why is the second Death Star commander also called Moff (Jerjerrod)?

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Yeah if it was this title representing a badass rank people would have been calling Vader "Darth" all the time, instead of just Ben who was trying to take him down a notch.

That was Obi-Wan pulling a Clarence Boddicker: "Look at my face ****!"

Because in the military, you always address the superior officer by first name?

If Moff is supposed to be Tarkin's first name, then why is the second Death Star commander also called Moff (Jerjerrod)?

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Because in the military, you always address the superior officer by first name?

Obi-Wan wasn't enlisted in the Imperial military.

 

[Magpie 7]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

He recognized that Vader was an extension of the Jedi ("you are all that is left of their religion.") Ex-Jedi or not he clearly kept some of their trappings. No other "Sith" was an ex-Jedi or Tarkin wouldn't have made that comment.

Obi-Wan had already established that Vader was a former student of his and responsible for the death of Luke's father (even if that was not the whole truth). Luke's father was a Jedi and fellow student of Vader but it didn't totally establish Vader as an ex-Jedi, Tarkin's takes all doubt away for the audience that Vader, Obi-Wan and Luke's father were Jedi.

Tarkin's line was to confirm that he believed there weren't any Jedi left and thus no one he considered capable of stopping them. Over confidence does seem to be a continual problem for the Sith and their associates

 

[Magpie 7]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Obi-Wan wasn't enlisted in the Imperial military.

But he was a General in the Grand Army of the Republic

Once a soldier always a soldier

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I love this discussion.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Obi-Wan wasn't enlisted in the Imperial military.

And that magically makes Darth a name and not a title? Having served with him in the Clone Wars (established OT canon), he could also just as easily have been mocking Vader's title.

 

[Mister Ski]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Please refer to me as Darth Ski from now on. Thank you.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Please refer to me as Darth Ski from now on. Thank you.

Shooting for Moderator status?

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

And that magically makes Darth a name and not a title?

No. "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine, before he turned to evil" made it a name.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

No. "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine, before he turned to evil" made it a name.

Still don't see it. Especially since we know he was Anakin Skywalker by ESB.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

That's typically how these discussions go (that neither side is convinced by the other I mean.) So....how's Carrie looking these days?

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Why would Obi-Wan call him "Darth" if that was a title and not his name? In the 70s, 80s, and 90s (till TPM and Maul), Darth was Vader's name. Darth Vader. Leia didn't go around calling Tarkin "Moff", "wazzup Moff", no, she called him Tarkin. So did other Imperials.

Like Khev said, Obi-Wan was throwing that in Vader's face. The "Darth" sith title is BS and takes away from Darth Vader in my opinion. The title for Vader was Lord, not Darth. Darth was his name.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

That's typically how these discussions go (that neither side is convinced by the other I mean.) So....how's Carrie looking these days?

I dunno, I see a small, close-minded group of individuals who saw things completely different than the majority of people, and refuse to concede that their opinion might be wrong, instead, insisting that everybody else, including official sources, are in error.

That's not to say that perception isn't "okay," but it's YOUR perception. Not reality.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Why would Obi-Wan call him "Darth" if that was a title and not his name? In the 70s, 80s, and 90s (till TPM and Maul), Darth was Vader's name. Darth Vader. Leia didn't go around calling Tarkin "Moff", "wazzup Moff", no, she called him Tarkin. So did other Imperials.

Like Khev said, Obi-Wan was throwing that in Vader's face. The "Darth" sith title is BS and takes away from Darth Vader in my opinion. The title for Vader was Lord, not Darth. Darth was his name.

Yeah, it seemed pretty obvious that Vader's title was "Lord" as his underlings addressed him as such and EU sources such as Topps trading cards declared him "Dark Lord of the Sith" and that Darth was his first name as stated by Obi-Wan and when he addressed him on the Death Star. Not one single "rough draft" or "outline" (which did reference other Sith such as Valorum and whatnot) or piece of literature EVER even HINTED that Darth was a title.

But suddenly TPM arrives and out of the blue everyone is called Darth and some people just want to carry on as if it had always been that way.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

It's just Lucas messing with everything. Darth is a name, now it's a title. But even if it is a title then he is also known as Lord. Sabers are used by Jedi oh and also Sith Lords. There's the force and then there were Midi-chlorians. I have no idea what was meant to be canon but I do find it strange that someone who has Darth as a title would also be referred to as Lord other times. I mean if you are a General in the military, you would always be called General until your rank changed. Would it make sense that a General would sometimes be called Colonial or Commander? So this is why I always considered Darth to be a name or "term" more so then a title. Again though, who knows and at this point it really doesn't matter because Georgie boy already screwed everything up.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

What I'll never understand is why he didn't conform to the original stories he made instead of changing them to fit later material. That never made sense to me. How hard is it to be faithful to your original story instead of tinkering it to conform to a new vision?

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

What I'll never understand is why he didn't conform to the original stories he made instead of changing them to fit later material. That never made sense to me. How hard is it to be faithful to your original story instead of tinkering it to conform to a new vision?

Because that would have required work. Thinking up cool new first names is hard. Just use the ones you've already made and let apologetic fans spend hours contriving weird reasons explaining why it makes sense.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

What I'll never understand is why he didn't conform to the original stories he made instead of changing them to fit later material. That never made sense to me. How hard is it to be faithful to your original story instead of tinkering it to conform to a new vision?

The sad fact is Lucas sucks at writing. He really does. Look back in history and you will see that any success he had was because he had help. He got lucky with Star Wars but it was with the help of other writers that got him ESB and even ROTJ. The reason why ROTJ wasn't as strong as ESB was because he was more involved with ROTJ. The PT was weak and the Indy franchise was successful because it involved Spielberg and others as well. Then when they decided to let Lucas handle the newest script what did we get? Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. If you need to watch any example of how bad of a writer George is, watch Red Tails. That movie is so bad that I would be ashamed to have my name on that movie. It's probably what caused him to bail all together and sell SW to Disney after that. The guy is a hack who got lucky back in 1977.