Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[MegaPrime33]

Regardless of what the truth is, it should not come as a surprise to anyone when Han dies. Ford has been pushing for this since ESB.

 

[Rorywan]

I think Han dying in this one is akward. It's like cheating a little. He will have only been re-introduced. Bumpy thing to do narratively, it will feel like an actor wanting to leave rather than killing a character for narrative reasons? Not at all like killing him off in Empire or Jedi. Which would have made sense. If he is to die, he should survive at least one movie IMO. He probably won't though.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Lucas, Milius and Coppola sitting on a mountain of money passing around some acid with muppets.

That's worthy of a film unto itself.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

Hey MegaPrime and Rory, maybe you should spoiler that, even though it's just a rumor at this point...

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Too late.

 

[crows]

I don't like flashbacks either, not in Star Wars. It breaks the fairytale story/saturday morning serial approach. Lucas had a very controlled and specific editorial approach to these films. All of them OT and PT. The screen wipes, the approaching planet shots when location changed, all based on old serials, flashbacks are not a simple storytelling device in this context.


Regarding the Disney aspect of these movies, they will be kiddified, like Rebels. That doesn't mean a bad movie, but there are just too many damn toys to sell to eliminate ANY part of an audience with darkness or violence. Overall I would expect Return of The Jedi levels of tone, with a less scary emperor. Kids need to want the toys.

Disney wouldn't have allowed any of this stuff, don't expect:

i will take a really great movie with no scary elements or violence over a crappy movie full of that any day. i much rather watch a geat story on screen than have any of those things you mentioned

 

[greygoose]

Spoiler

Rumor: Star Wars Episode VII Villain Concept Art Leaked | The Star Wars Underworld

Thats the real Villain and his Lightsaber.

It's OK. Could be a lot worse.

 

[Rorywan]

i will take a really great movie with no scary elements or violence over a crappy movie full of that any day. i much rather watch a geat story on screen than have any of those things you mentioned

Likewise. A good movie doesn't need violence. It does need a good balance of dark and light though, or there's no real peril or drama. ESB being a perfect example.
By todays standards even ESB is waay too dark and serious for Disney I would imagine. I think a lot of OT fans are expecting a new episode which has grown in adult sophistication with them over the years. It's the reverse of the PT argument that the movies are made for kids, as was all Star Wars. Depends on what age you see it.

Disney are going to have to walk a fine line here, I think they can pull off something cool. But it may well completely divide the Star Wars fans just as the prequels did. Disney want new fans. A younger generation that will keep buying for years. We are only a small part of their endgame. Bizarrely Revenge of The Sith was probably the only Star Wars movie with complete creative freedom. It could have been anything it wanted. It was financed by Lucas and he commented many times that it was a potential money loser, as he thought it too dark for the same mass market that he was appealing to in the previous instalments. Pity.


it's all about the kids, it always has been...

 

[a-dev]

Too late.

*A-wing plunges through window*

 

[Rorywan]

*A-wing plunges through window*

Everyone knows Harrison wanted Solo killed off anyway. That's a fact from the OT not a rumour from TFA.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Likewise. A good movie doesn't need violence. It does need a good balance of dark and light though, or there's no real peril or drama. ESB being a perfect example.
By todays standards even ESB is waay too dark and serious for Disney I would imagine. I think a lot of OT fans are expecting a new episode which has grown in adult sophistication with them over the years. It's the reverse of the PT argument that the movies are made for kids, as was all Star Wars. Depends on what age you see it.

Disney are going to have to walk a fine line here, I think they can pull off something cool. But it may well completely divide the Star Wars fans just as the prequels did. Disney want new fans. A younger generation that will keep buying for years. We are only a small part of their endgame. Bizarrely Revenge of The Sith was probably the only Star Wars movie with complete creative freedom. It could have been anything it wanted. It was financed by Lucas and he commented many times that it was a potential money loser, as he thought it too dark for the same mass market that he was appealing to in the previous instalments. Pity.


it's all about the kids, it always has been...

These just might be the lines of the thread right here. That really puts things in perspective, doesn't it? Who does Disney really care about? The 40-year-old hypercritical neckbeard or the wide-eyed 6-year-old? Hmmm?

*A-wing plunges through window*

 

[jye4ever]

Too late.

*A-wing plunges through window*

 

[jye4ever]

Can't this movie just be called The Empire Strikes Back Again.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Can't this movie just be called The Empire Strikes Back Again.

Nope, that's the sequel. This should be called, "A New-New Hope," with The Who doing a Star Wars-themed, "Won't Get Fooled Again," during the credits.

Meet the New Hope.
Same as the Old Hope.

 

[jye4ever]

Ok fine, i'll settle for The Rebels Strike Back.

 

[a-dev]

Nope, that's the sequel. This should be called, "A New-New Hope," with The Who doing a Star Wars-themed, "Won't Get Fooled Again," during the credits.

Meet the New Hope.
Same as the Old Hope.

A New Hope....For The Empire

 

[YankeesFanboy]

A New Hope....For The Empire

If we get a Luke clone, or a Vader clone or an Emperor clone...there won't be any words.

 

[Darthrazz]

Regarding the flashbacks...If done correctly it might work. It just doesn't seem to fit in the Star Wars universe, then again neither did dreams and Lucas showed one in AOTC. I always thought was out of place, just mentioning that Anakin had a nightmare would have been enough.


I'm starting to get the feeling that

Spoiler

Domhall Gleeson is going to play young Luke Skywalker in a flashback.

 

[pixletwin]

It's just specualtion so I think you'd be good not tagging it.

I think he is a new character.

 

[Darthrazz]

It's just specualtion so I think you'd be good not tagging it.

I think he is a new character.

I know Pix, but folks atr getting a little too touchy lately regarding what is or is not a spoiler. Thought I'd play it safe. I'm hoping he is a new character.