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How is it possible to exit a cruiser in hyperspace, undertake a side mission of several hours (or days), then catch up to the cruiser again? Are smaller ships that much faster than bigger ones?

Are you talking about the Rose & Finn excursion to Canto Bight? If so, then I don't understand your question. The Raddus wasn't in hyperspace when Rose & Finn left it. The Raddus was still being fired upon by the FO.
 
I'm usually willing to suspend disbelief, but one aspect of TLJ is bugging me (and it's not Carrie Poppins or zero-G bombs!)

How is it possible to exit a cruiser in hyperspace, undertake a side mission of several hours (or days), then catch up to the cruiser again? Are smaller ships that much faster than bigger ones?

When the smaller ships are going lightspeed and the bigger ones are not then yes, they are much faster. ;)
 
One of the discussions we had in this thread lately that I find particularly interesting is the question about how much darkness was in Kylo by the time Luke approached him in his hut. I actually started combing through the Force Awakens novelization for the first time to see if there was anything there about this. Interestingly enough, the scene where Han and Leia talk about their son is more in-depth than it was in the movie. Here's how it plays out in the novelization (I'm putting key parts in bold):

He met her eyes steadily. “We’ve lost our son, forever.”

Leia bit her lower lip, refusing to concede. “No. It was Snoke.”

Han drew back slightly. “Snoke?”

She nodded. “He knew our child would be strong with the Force. That he was born with equal potential for good or evil.”

“You knew this from the beginning? Why didn’t you tell me?”

She sighed. “Many reasons. I was hoping that I was wrong, that it wasn’t true. I hoped I could sway him, turn him away from the dark side, without having to involve you.” A small smile appeared. "You had - you have - wonderful qualities, Han, but patience and understanding were never among them. I was afraid that your reactions would only drive him farther to the dark side. I thought I could shield him from Snoke’s influence and you from what was happening.” Her voice dropped. “It’s clear now that I was wrong. Whether your involvement would have made a difference, we’ll never know.”

He had trouble believing what he was hearing. “So Snoke was watching our son.”

“Always,” she told him. “From the shadows, in the beginning, even before I realized what was happening, he was manipulating everything, pulling our son toward the dark side.

"But nothing's impossible, Han. Not even now, at this late time. I have this feeling that if anyone can save him - it's you."

So, Snoke was out to corrupt the next Skywalker offspring all along . . . right from the beginning. What Luke saw in that hut wasn't a nephew who had only recently been conflicted. He saw a nephew who had been manipulated and corrupted his entire life! And this was established, in canon, before Rian Johnson ever touched the story. Snoke had years to corrupt Ben. And Snoke never stopped (we see this clearly in his interactions with Kylo in TLJ). Now that Snoke is gone, I think it changes everything. The ongoing influence factor has been wiped out of the equation.

Luke's final flashback scene in TLJ makes it clear that Luke saw/heard death and destruction that would undermine everything he'd fought for. That's how he phrases is it to Rey. And I think people ignore that aspect about how Luke saw that his nephew would undo everything he, Leia, Han, and the rest of the Rebellion had fought for. What many of their friends had died for. Luke saw all of that being for nothing because Ben Solo was going to bring even more death and destruction to the galaxy.

It wasn't as simple as "Ben is going to do bad things." It was more like "Ben is going to take everything we fought and suffered for, and make it all for nothing." Isn't it reasonable then for Luke to see that as long as these Jedi-turned-dark continued, that all the sacrifices made generation after generation would be for nothing? I still struggle to understand why that doesn't work for people in terms of explaining Luke's exile that was set up in the prior movie.
 
The problem is that he decided to allow it to play out, for the latest evil to just run amok. Most significantly and reflecting most poorly of all on his character, he decided to allow his sister to deal with the fallout, and what else was she gonna do. Did he expect her to run away aswell? Even if I accept your rationale for what his intent was as far as ending the cycle, we're still left with the fact that his decision had massive consequences in the immediate term which he himself was partially responsible for. His idea may have been quite sound but this was absolutely not the time to carry it out.

Defeat the latest threat, then and only then do you end the Jedi.
 
The problem is that he decided to allow it to play out, for the latest evil to just run amok. Most significantly and reflecting most poorly of all on his character, he decided to allow his sister to deal with the fallout, and what else was she gonna do. Did he expect her to run away aswell? Even if I accept your rationale for what his intent was as far as ending the cycle, we're still left with the fact that his decision had massive consequences in the immediate term which he himself was partially responsible for. His idea may have been quite sound but this was absolutely not the time to carry it out.

Defeat the latest threat, then and only then do you end the Jedi.

Exactly as a-dev put it. End the dark side threat, close yourself of from the force in that moment and then .... Balance
 
The problem is that he decided to allow it to play out, for the latest evil to just run amok. Most significantly and reflecting most poorly of all on his character, he decided to allow his sister to deal with the fallout, and what else was she gonna do. Did he expect her to run away aswell? Even if I accept your rationale for what his intent was as far as ending the cycle, we're still left with the fact that his decision had massive consequences in the immediate term which he himself was partially responsible for. His idea may have been quite sound but this was absolutely not the time to carry it out.

Defeat the latest threat, then and only then do you end the Jedi.

Exactly as a-dev put it. End the dark side threat, close yourself of from the force in that moment and then .... Balance

But wasn't this problem already there by way of TFA? Isn't that the film that established that Luke left his sister to deal with the fallout from Ben's turn into Kylo?

What I'm trying to explain (and what I think you both already understand) is that Luke's character was damaged by having him leave in the first place. Going off to find an ancient Jedi Temple meant that Leia (and her Resistance) would be left on their own to take on Snoke, Kylo, and the FO. Luke was gone for years!!

I think we actually agree that Luke should never have taken himself off the board while evil ran amuk. But if that's what JJ set up, my whole point has been that if you can't undo the fact that Luke was gone while planets were being destroyed and Han was being murdered, the best you can do is provide some selfless motive for what he had already done. Something that makes rational sense.

If Luke came out in TLJ to help the Resistance (which he ended up doing . . . I know, I know), how would that erase the fact that he allowed the FO to wreak havoc? Why is TLJ being blamed for that?
 
Luke just chillin' on Ach-To at the end of TFA was problematic for sure, especially since all the way back in 1977 it was established that Jedi Masters can sense the destruction of planets from light-years away. And yes I think that him leaving without first destroying Snoke did in fact allow the deaths of all those planets' inhabitants.

However, I don't consider his actions villainous or cowardly. I think that he was just broken to the core on account of the guilt of losing Kylo and all of his Jedi pupils. In a way it's even worse than what Obi-Wan went through. Sure he lost Anakin to the Dark Side but Anakin never corrupted half a dozen *other* padawans that Kenobi was directly responsible for.

Yes Luke left bad guys for others to deal with. Yes billions died because of it. Imagine having *that* on your conscience! Any piece of him that was still left after losing Kylo and his pupils must have been brought the brink of annihilation when Rey brought news that Han and six planets were destroyed. But he faced his failure. A failure larger than possibly anyone before him, possibly including even Anakin, and in the end picked himself up and did something about it. I really don't think that RJ was trying to explain away Luke's actions as having all been correct or heroic or logical from Kylo's turn until the moment that Rey finds him. I think he really does give us a fallen hero. But he doesn't stay that way, and that's its own level of heroism that I find to be incredibly inspiring.

I do get why many would think that the narrative crossed a line. That the unwavering optimism of Luke Skywalker was a sacred cow that could never be lost. That he went to a place that you can't come back from. And that's really too bad the fandom became fractured on that point. It will always beg the question as to whether it was the right call. Maybe it's something that was the wrong call *now* but future generations who aren't married to the character of Luke for decades prior to TLJ will experience his failure and subsequent comeback and love him for it. Or not, obviously we can't know for sure right now.

But I guess I'm just lucky enough to be on the side that has been okay with these icons experiencing tragedy, or indirectly even allowing tragedy, and then still finding the strength to face those tragedies head on.
 
All great points, Khev. :clap And I think Luke being damaged was built into the ST narrative right from TFA. TLJ couldn't run from that. Personally, I'm relieved and grateful that it gave Luke's exile some sense of larger purpose and long-term impact. Instead of just being a mistake, or simple error in judgment.

I also want to note that TLJ establishing that Luke cut himself off from the Force is a very important piece that helped me accept TFA's premise that Luke stayed gone while planets blew up and Han was killed. And it goes back to a constant criticism I hear/read about TLJ Luke: that he needs to be like the character from the OT.

Well, in the OT there were two times that Luke left his friends to go on a quest (like he did before TFA). Both times, he went to Dagobah. The first time, he abandoned everything he was doing there because he saw that his friends would be in trouble across the galaxy; he immediately went to help them. The second time, he communicated with Kenobi's spirit and got guidance.

So, if Luke went on another personal quest 20+ years later (finding the ancient Jedi Temple), wouldn't it be in character for him to sense his friends being in danger? Wouldn't it then be like our OT Luke to immediately drop what he was doing and go help? And like ROTJ, wouldn't Luke be able to commune with Kenobi's spirit? Wouldn't Kenobi's spirit be able to also pass on a message to Leia to come get him if he needed help getting off Ahch-To?

Having Luke be cut off from the Force effectively canceled out those plot holes. But to do so, there needed to be a reason for a Jedi Master to be cut off from the Force (so as not to sense all the danger and destruction, and go immediately provide help). That's where the ending the Jedi explanation comes into play to provide a rationale/basis for not sensing all those things that happened in TFA (and before) that would have made our OT Luke rush to help. Not just continue to stay exiled on an island.
 
But wasn't this problem already there by way of TFA? Isn't that the film that established that Luke left his sister to deal with the fallout from Ben's turn into Kylo?

What I'm trying to explain (and what I think you both already understand) is that Luke's character was damaged by having him leave in the first place. Going off to find an ancient Jedi Temple meant that Leia (and her Resistance) would be left on their own to take on Snoke, Kylo, and the FO. Luke was gone for years!!

I think we actually agree that Luke should never have taken himself off the board while evil ran amuk. But if that's what JJ set up, my whole point has been that if you can't undo the fact that Luke was gone while planets were being destroyed and Han was being murdered, the best you can do is provide some selfless motive for what he had already done. Something that makes rational sense.

If Luke came out in TLJ to help the Resistance (which he ended up doing . . . I know, I know), how would that erase the fact that he allowed the FO to wreak havoc? Why is TLJ being blamed for that?

Where I agree with you is that TLJ did the best it could with what it had to work with and that, absolutely, TFA forced that problem on the sequel trilogy right from the start. I do not put the blame for this on Rian Johnson. Your explanation about how TLJ deals with the problem is great but for that one regrettably inescapable issue - that there was a huge threat in the here and now and Luke ran away from it while the people he cared most about were not able to also do so.

A further issue is would 'ending the Jedi' to stop the cycle of rising evil even work? Taking himself out of the equation wouldn't suddenly mean that there are no force-adept beings out there. And extensive training from Jedi teachers doesn't even seem to be a requirement anymore.....

For me, these sequels are just too much effort. It's easier to file them alongside the PT.
 
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A further issue is would 'ending the Jedi' to stop the cycle of rising evil even work? Taking himself out of the equation wouldn't suddenly mean that there are no force-adept beings out there. And extensive training from Jedi teachers doesn't even seem to be a requirement anymore.....

Well, Lucas had long established that the galaxy is full of Force-sensitive beings, but that the Jedi "religion" is the philosophy needed to understand how to use the Force in "superhuman" ways. Remember, Luke spent 20 years on Tatooine without wielding any powers. Introduce him to the concepts of the Jedi, and BAM! Luke is a superhero. Same goes for Anakin. Yes, they had quick reflexes and prescient dreams/visions; but they weren't tossing people around, Force-choking, and mind-tricking.

Even Rey, for all the inexplicable ways she used the Force in TFA, had spent her life on Jaaku fighting with her staff. She wasn't exhibiting super powers or general awareness of what she was capable of. It wasn't until she encountered Kylo (the former Jedi) that she began being a super-powered force to be reckoned with.

I think a fair case can be made that ending the Jedi religion would bring the Force back into balance in a way that even Force-sensitive beings wouldn't be able to take their potential and tap it to the point of being a galactic threat.

It's at least debatable. :)
 
For me, these sequels are just too much effort. It's easier to file them alongside the PT.

I get that. The amount of narrative hand-waving and "fill in the blanks" backstory is definitely a strike against these films, probably the biggest strike in fact. But the positive aspects still outweigh the negatives IMO *and* I don't actually feel like a loser just by watching them so they're definitely far above the PT in that regard, lol.
 
But wasn't this problem already there by way of TFA? Isn't that the film that established that Luke left his sister to deal with the fallout from Ben's turn into Kylo?

What I'm trying to explain (and what I think you both already understand) is that Luke's character was damaged by having him leave in the first place. Going off to find an ancient Jedi Temple meant that Leia (and her Resistance) would be left on their own to take on Snoke, Kylo, and the FO. Luke was gone for years!!

I think we actually agree that Luke should never have taken himself off the board while evil ran amuk. But if that's what JJ set up, my whole point has been that if you can't undo the fact that Luke was gone while planets were being destroyed and Han was being murdered, the best you can do is provide some selfless motive for what he had already done. Something that makes rational sense.

If Luke came out in TLJ to help the Resistance (which he ended up doing . . . I know, I know), how would that erase the fact that he allowed the FO to wreak havoc? Why is TLJ being blamed for that?

I don't disagree with you. Luke not being there is all kinds of wrong and the blame in the first instance falls to TFA.

But, whilst TFA set up some ideas for Luke's whereabouts and disappearance, it was left to TLJ to cement that storyline. Luke was missing at these crucial moments, so as an audience we are left to speculate and wonder why? We can only guess that there must be some super important and logical reason for this... And here's where we differ because you accept that the answer provided by TLJ is the only logical one and I do not.

Upon leaving my viewing of TFA, I felt like the story could have gone a variety of different ways and had no idea where they were going to take it next. Here's some quick thoughts which are by no means amazing ideas but, to me, are still serviceable as follow ups to TFA (and in my opinion less likely to bring about such a negative reaction as TLJ):

(1) Perhaps Luke had gone searching for an ancient macguffin to defeat Snoke (a Sith holocron or Jedi text etc.).

(2) Maybe his spirit had been broken as a result of a terrible tragedy that befell him. I would imagine that any such tragedy would have to be one so utterly depressing as to render the most hopeful character from the OT now hopeless. For instance, I'm thinking something in the order of Luke's wife and/or child dieing, whether accidental or murdered, when the Knights of Ren burned down the school. Now Luke feels that there is nothing left to live for. His family represented the peace and love he had achieved in ROTJ, now all gone. Worst of all he had trained all the perpetrators, he made them into weapons for Snoke not Jedi. He sees that now and he blames himself. Luke has put his neck on the line countless times for the galaxy for the greater good but where was everyone else in his time of need.

(3) Maybe Luke no longer trusts himself and his own judgement. Snoke has proven that his reach and influence over both the force and people's will is incredible. Perhaps Ben wasnt his only victim, what if Luke too had been influenced by him?! Luke could have become a powerful pawn for Snoke without him ever being aware. Hence Luke cuts himself off from the force and goes in search of ... [go back to option 1].


TLJ sort of does something somewhere in the middle but never goes far enough to convince me. It also frames the trigger for his absence in a manner which I instantly found to be out of character (contemplates murdering his nephew) and follows that up another act which feels, to me, to be un-Luke-like (running away to die alone to end the Jedi to bring about balance).

Ok ok ok, I need to interject here and stress that this balance BS has been horribly retconned into the series, dark rising to meet the light ... That's not how the force works (well at least up until this point). But let's for the sake of argument pretend that is how it works now... Well ok, it still just doesn't work for me as a complete package explaining Luke's absence.

It feels like Rian is forcing the character to fit into a role in his story in the same way that someone might try to push together to north points of magnet. And like those magnets, the more I consider it, the stronger my reaction to it, I am repelled by it and I reject it. Just like I did in the cinema. Character comes first Rian, characters react to a story not the other way around.

After Luke slipped up with Kylo and the school was burned down, I believe (based on the Luke I have seen grow over the three OT movies) that Luke would do everything in his power to the right the wrong that he contributed towards (Ben's turn and the rise of Snoke). He would try to save his nephew (even if he thought there was little hope) but at the very least he would stay to support his sister and best friend Han unless the reason for leaving was sound. Once the job was done... Then he can take himself off to end the Jedi and test his balance BS theory. For heavensake don't run away and try out your hypothesis when the dark is at it's peak, your the freaking light. Go rise to meet it.

Ultimately both movies are a disservice to Luke but TLJ gets more grief because TFA only posed the question, it was TLJ that provided the definitive answer to that question. An answer which many have found unsatisfactory and unsavoury. It could have taken that answer many places, your mileage may vary but I think this is about the worst way it could have served Luke as a character.
 
(1) Perhaps Luke had gone searching for an ancient macguffin to defeat Snoke (a Sith holocron or Jedi text etc.).

Of your three scenarios, this is the only one I don't like. I would always reject the idea of Luke leaving for years (while billions die) because he felt he needed "magic" help to defeat Snoke. Especially when his younger self (a Knight, not a Master with 20+ years of experience) took on Palpatine and Vader.

(2) Maybe his spirit had been broken as a result of a terrible tragedy that befell him. I would imagine that any such tragedy would have to be one so utterly depressing as to render the most hopeful character from the OT now hopeless. For instance, I'm thinking something in the order of Luke's wife and/or child dieing, whether accidental or murdered, when the Knights of Ren burned down the school. Now Luke feels that there is nothing left to live for. His family represented the peace and love he had achieved in ROTJ, now all gone. Worst of all he had trained all the perpetrators, he made them into weapons for Snoke not Jedi. He sees that now and he blames himself. Luke has put his neck on the line countless times for the galaxy for the greater good but where was everyone else in his time of need.

I LOVE this one! But is it so different than the tragedy that actually played out so far? Isn't the loss of his nephew right out from under his own tutelage a stabbing pain? Isn't the death (or corruption) of his other students that he failed to prevent another sharp wound? If Luke is a good and decent man (as I hope we all agree he is), then shouldn't the events that play out in TFA and TLJ be enough to give him the type of hurt and remorse your scenario would for making him seek exile in his guilt and pain?

(3) Maybe Luke no longer trusts himself and his own judgement. Snoke has proven that his reach and influence over both the force and people's will is incredible. Perhaps Ben wasnt his only victim, what if Luke too had been influenced by him?! Luke could have become a powerful pawn for Snoke without him ever being aware. Hence Luke cuts himself off from the force and goes in search of ... [go back to option 1].

Again, I love the setup; but if it ends in Luke searching for a magic trick (after 20+ years learning as much as he could about the Force), doesn't that diminish him too much? Wouldn't it be too "cheap." That type of gimmick is what I was fearful of heading into TLJ. I just wouldn't be able to accept that Luke left people to fight and die just so he could "power-up" to take on Snoke. That wouldn't fit the lore of the Jedi and how they'd dealt with things before. For me, at least.

Ultimately both movies are a disservice to Luke but TLJ gets more grief because TFA only posed the question, it was TLJ that provided the definitive answer to that question. An answer which many have found unsatisfactory and unsavoury. It could have taken that answer many places, your mileage may vary but I think this is about the worst way it could have served Luke as a character.

I understand your point of view. I also understand that you have your own valid reasons for reaching those conclusions. No matter how our views differ on this, though, I'm just glad to have been able to read another thoughtful and excellent post on the subject. Thank you for contributing your analysis! I always enjoy it. :duff
 
Are you talking about the Rose & Finn excursion to Canto Bight? If so, then I don't understand your question. The Raddus wasn't in hyperspace when Rose & Finn left it. The Raddus was still being fired upon by the FO.

Maybe my recollection is wrong but I thought they were still being tracked through hyperspace. Did they take a pitstop?

Regardless, they re-entered hyperspace soon after, right?
 
The more I watch The Last Jedi the more I can appreciate it as a solid original installment to the SW Universe. Naturally with first viewing it was "WTF is this??” and “This is not what its supposed to be like”, but you have to move past all that . Look past Canto Bight, Mary Poppin Leia (still bugs me) and Poe your mama joke (still bugs me). What draws me now is how different this movie is from any other SW. How it has brought new ideas and thoughts, expands SW to places I never knew. Everytime I watch , I feel a sense of “against the grain” that draws me in again. As TFA provided so many questions, TLJ added new ideas to SW world….

Force Texting – Including water on Kylo hand
Luke’s Projection
Flying through Space (Leia) Still bugs me but a new idea to the movies
Yoda controlling lighting
Killing off Snoke our assumed “Emperor” character in a WTF moment
Light & Dark fighting together in a lightsaber battle
Destroying your “Darth Vader” mask at the very beginning of movie
The entire “Your nothing” line to Rey (no Skywalker/Kenobi)
New idea’s of the Force – Jedi to think they have control of force is vanity line
Let the past die, Kill it if you have too
Tracking in Hyper Space
I’m sure there are a few more.

I know that many people did not like Prometheus but it did inject new ideas and expand to the Alien lore. Unfortunately that backlash from fans wanting another “Alien” movie forced Scott to move away from new ideas and return to what we already know and have seen so many times as a result below par Alien installment in Covemant. I fear that EP9 will be that same. When I first heard RJ was not going to make E9 and it was returned back to JJ I was happy. But now after a year or two marinating with TLJ I kind of wish to see were RJ would take it!! Push it further. OT foundation was events of the past. PT showed us the events. Both followed the same rules. These new movies should not follow these old molds. Sidenote: Kylo Ren is becoming the Best character out of the SW Universe!!

Bottom line that fact that this thread is still top 10 for so many years proves TLJ has impacted us all!!
 
Maybe my recollection is wrong but I thought they were still being tracked through hyperspace. Did they take a pitstop?

Regardless, they re-entered hyperspace soon after, right?

When Rose and Finn left the Raddus, the cruiser was still in the slow chase being fired upon. Then Rose & Finn jump into hyperspace, go through all of the Canto Bight nonsense, and then come back through hyperspace to infiltrate the Star Destroyer. I'm pretty sure about this, but I'll correct myself if I'm wrong. I'll pay close attention when I get a chance to watch it again. I think the only time the Raddus goes into hyperspace after we meet Rose is when Holdo does her Kamikaze thing. Rose and Finn were obviously already back by then.

The more I watch The Last Jedi the more I can appreciate it as a solid original installment to the SW Universe. Naturally with first viewing it was "WTF is this??” and “This is not what its supposed to be like”, but you have to move past all that . Look past Canto Bight, Mary Poppin Leia (still bugs me) and Poe your mama joke (still bugs me). What draws me now is how different this movie is from any other SW. How it has brought new ideas and thoughts, expands SW to places I never knew. Everytime I watch , I feel a sense of “against the grain” that draws me in again. As TFA provided so many questions, TLJ added new ideas to SW world….

Force Texting – Including water on Kylo hand
Luke’s Projection
Flying through Space (Leia) Still bugs me but a new idea to the movies
Yoda controlling lighting
Killing off Snoke our assumed “Emperor” character in a WTF moment
Light & Dark fighting together in a lightsaber battle
Destroying your “Darth Vader” mask at the very beginning of movie
The entire “Your nothing” line to Rey (no Skywalker/Kenobi)
New idea’s of the Force – Jedi to think they have control of force is vanity line
Let the past die, Kill it if you have too
Tracking in Hyper Space
I’m sure there are a few more.

I know that many people did not like Prometheus but it did inject new ideas and expand to the Alien lore. Unfortunately that backlash from fans wanting another “Alien” movie forced Scott to move away from new ideas and return to what we already know and have seen so many times as a result below par Alien installment in Covemant. I fear that EP9 will be that same. When I first heard RJ was not going to make E9 and it was returned back to JJ I was happy. But now after a year or two marinating with TLJ I kind of wish to see were RJ would take it!! Push it further. OT foundation was events of the past. PT showed us the events. Both followed the same rules. These new movies should not follow these old molds. Sidenote: Kylo Ren is becoming the Best character out of the SW Universe!!

Bottom line that fact that this thread is still top 10 for so many years proves TLJ has impacted us all!!

Great post!

I also have enjoyed TLJ more and more with each viewing (much to my surprise considering how much constant criticism I've been exposed to). For me, the small details, subtleties, and nuances is what I have a greater affinity for each time. As just one example: when Luke is projecting himself on Crait, he drops his left hand from the lightsaber right before Kylo comes for him. What I interpreted from that is that Luke wants to capitalize on Kylo's rage by taunting him; he doesn't want to give Kylo too much chance to think logically (or read the scenario with the Force). Luke wants to tap into Kylo's fury to make sure to keep the illusion effective. It's a small and subtle point, but that's what I love about it.

Throughout the movie, there are visual and audio cues that help tell the story without beating the audience over the head with spoken/explicit exposition. These instances are easy to interpret and understand, so I'm not saying it's anything brilliant; but I appreciate those things being there in the storytelling. Sometimes I've missed something that I only notice after multiple viewings. Keeps it fresh.
 
When Rose and Finn left the Raddus, the cruiser was still in the slow chase being fired upon. Then Rose & Finn jump into hyperspace, go through all of the Canto Bight nonsense, and then come back through hyperspace to infiltrate the Star Destroyer. I'm pretty sure about this, but I'll correct myself if I'm wrong. I'll pay close attention when I get a chance to watch it again. I think the only time the Raddus goes into hyperspace after we meet Rose is when Holdo does her Kamikaze thing. Rose and Finn were obviously already back by then.


Hmmmmm, here I was thinking the entire chase was taking place through hyperspace - but I guess they gave up on the idea as soon as they realised they could be tracked, and needed to conserve fuel.

That then raises the issue of how they kept a uniform distance ahead of the First Order. I guess the Resistance and First Order cruisers must have a similar top speed? Unless the FO were just tormenting them?
 
Hmmmmm, here I was thinking the entire chase was taking place through hyperspace

So up until now you literally thought that Leia was flying at lightspeed? That's awesome. :lol

That then raises the issue of how they kept a uniform distance ahead of the First Order.

The entire logistics of the cruiser "chase" was just silly. No getting around that.
 
So up until now you literally thought that Leia was flying at lightspeed? That's awesome. :lol

Maybe I thought the blast brought them to a standstill? I just don’t know anymore. :lol



The entire logistics of the cruiser "chase" was just silly. No getting around that.

It reminds me of Fury Road so I’ll give it a pass. :lol
 
Maybe I thought the blast brought them to a standstill? I just don’t know anymore. :lol

So when she floated to the door you were expecting:

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:D

It reminds me of Fury Road so I’ll give it a pass. :lol

Well that's generous to say the least!
 
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