I thought she bought the rebellion more time to put a little distance? I don't think they would have made it on that planet had she not done what she did. If they did make it back to the planet, they would have been faced with a much stronger enemy force.
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I thought she bought the rebellion more time to put a little distance? I don't think they would have made it on that planet had she not done what she did. If they did make it back to the planet, they would have been faced with a much stronger enemy force.
So Tico was wrong?
Giving Johnson the benefit of the doubt I'm assuming that he just wanted Rose to exemplify Cap's "we don't trade lives" ideology in IW but he did it nowhere near as elegantly. Having her say "That's how we'll win, by saving what we love" was fine in and of itself but her line should have ended there. Adding "not killing what we hate" was dumb, especially in a freaking movie with "Wars" in the title.
they were both right, and they were both wrong
killing yourself to save the day was right but not dying was right too
and letting your enemies live is right, thats the jedi way lol
thank you Rian for that great message
I have no problem with Rian dismissing the crying of totally irrational trolls but one thing I can't defend are his comments that he actually takes pride in the fact that his movie is hated by a lot of fans. I can't think of a single movie where the fact that it's hated by a number of fans is indicative of it being a quality film. A good movie is a good movie. Sure there will always be people with bad taste who dislike good movies but what movie or filmmaker would ever aspire to receive such a reaction? Hopefully that's all just BS he's spouting to save face in light of criticism.
Because even though I liked TLJ there's no way in hell I'd want a director who takes glee in alienating *any* fans to go anywhere near something I love. Who's to say that I won't fall on the side who hates his next effort? What if he were in the running for the next Cap movie? Or Blade Runner 3? Or "Solo 2?" No thanks.
A director should never just make a movie that he isn't passionate about nor should he or she make one *just* for "the fans." But there are plenty of Gareth Edwards's and Ron Howards out there who can make good movies that they are passionate about that do *not* rub people the wrong way and I hope that Kennedy considers that going forward. My buddy that I watched Solo with the other day who hates TLJ said the #1 thing he's excited about is an "Old Republic" trilogy and he's absolutely terrified that that might be what Johnson was handed the keys to. I'm going to feel bad for him if that turns out to be true.
Because even though I liked TLJ there's no way in hell I'd want a director who takes glee in alienating *any* fans to go anywhere near something I love. Who's to say that I won't fall on the side who hates his next effort? What if he were in the running for the next Cap movie? Or Blade Runner 3? Or "Solo 2?" No thanks.
A director should never just make a movie that he isn't passionate about nor should he or she make one *just* for "the fans." But there are plenty of Gareth Edwards's and Ron Howards out there who can make good movies that they are passionate about that do *not* rub people the wrong way and I hope that Kennedy considers that going forward. My buddy that I watched Solo with the other day who hates TLJ said the #1 thing he's excited about is an "Old Republic" trilogy and he's absolutely terrified that that might be what Johnson was handed the keys to. I'm going to feel bad for him if that turns out to be true.
I used to think that he said those things as damage control but that old interview he did proves he legitimately feels joy in people hating the movie and he wrote the movie with the goal of alienating some of the fans.
when you write a movie to spite the fans, well...... thats just not a good businessman. any manager will tell you the last thing you wanna do is piss off your costumer base.
and Rian literally set up the goal to do just that
The only interview that I have seen where he says that is from some years ago. Pretty sure it was before he ever landed his Star Wars job. I might be wrong though.
he said it then
Then he said it when people starting writing bad reviews on the movie. thats why i thought he was just trying to deflect the hate but he actually believes it,
Lessons from the Screenplay is a fantastic channel, been subscribed to him for quite a while. He does make some very good points, for sure.
The other video, I think it actually points out why the movie doesn’t work by pointing out how much it focuses on those specific wants/needs of the characters. Because, frankly, the wants/needs that they go with just are not all that compelling arcs, or in the case of Poe and especially Finn, they just feel incredibly forced. And the characters that are integral to the main arcs present unbelievable obstacles (like Holdo not telling anyone in the fleet what her plan is) or frankly just have ham-fisted, badly written dialogue (DJ going on a speech about how both sides are equally bad). So yeah, you can better understand what they were going for with all the character arcs, but that still doesn’t mean it was executed in a compelling way.
Also, the LFTS video points out why Finn’s intended arc in particular doesn’t work well in the actual movie because they don’t establish his starting point well enough at the beginning of the movie.
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Yes, but in the big picture, it doesnt solve anything permeant.
I think thats the point they are trying to make with all of this.
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But it did. They survived with her sacrifice. Had she not have made that move, they'd probably all be dead. That's permanent IMO.
And yeah, Rose is wrong... from a certain point of view.
But it did. They survived with her sacrifice. Had she not have made that move, they'd probably all be dead. That's permanent IMO.
And yeah, Rose is wrong... from a certain point of view.
True, but I think it was being use to juxtapose Poe and his worry about that 1 dreadnaught.... the OT series has always shown what 1 person can do against the odds...yet we end up in the same place.
Except the Ewoks....they were special....well then again with the heroics of c3po they would all have been dinner and the rebellion failed.
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The parallels with the OT continue. In ANH Bail Organa pinned his hopes on one man, Obi-Wan, who in the end simply creates a diversion so the heroes can escape.
In the ST Leia pins her hopes on Luke, who in the end also simply creates a diversion so the heroes can escape.
Ben, however, gets off his a** and actually goes somewhere.
I know in today's "connected" world that means less than it once did.
Ben also doesn't whine, slam doors, pontificate about the pointlessness of it all, brood and resist going when the distress call arrives (ready to go within seconds of receiving the message.)
But, again, I know that in today's world that's not as frowned upon as it once was.
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How does sitting by and ignoring the evil space army obliterating everything help bring balance?
How does Luke hiding on an island and cutting himself off from the Force help his friends?
That old dude with the map was killed by Kylo. Han was killed by Kylo. Leia was killed by Carrie Fisher.
So much for saving them.
Obi-Wan was at least keeping an eye on Luke while he was on Tatooine.
Jake gave up and contemplated suicide.
How does sitting by and ignoring the evil space army obliterating everything help bring balance?
How does Luke hiding on an island and cutting himself off from the Force help his friends?
That old dude with the map was killed by Kylo. Han was killed by Kylo. Leia was killed by Carrie Fisher.
So much for saving them.
Obi-Wan was at least keeping an eye on Luke while he was on Tatooine.
Jake gave up and contemplated suicide.
I think thats where they are going and we will find out. The over arcing message of this trilogy is that the way things have been done by the jedi of the past has created a cycle of never ending war.
I believe that the path the story will take is showing how the dark and light must be able to coexist.
The symbolism for this is shown everywhere in ST. The most striking example is the mosaic on the floor of the temple where Luke is indeed trying to stay away to allow the natural balance to restore itself.
That is pretty much in character for Luke though. Looking back at the OT, Luke always had the tendency to whine and give up. Even him turning on Kylo fits his character really well. In RTJ he almost killed his father in a fit of rage. His saving grace was that he always eventually turned around to do the right thing. In RTJ, he stopped himself from killing Vader, in TLJ he didn't kill Kylo, and he eventually decided to help Leia.
As for Ben actually going somewhere, I'm guessing Luke didn't physically go there because maybe his X-Wing was beyond repair and he couldn't fly out once Rey had left and/or maybe he knew that physically he couldn't stand a chance to delay Kylo enough to help his friends, but as a Force Ghost he can buy enough time.
Either way, I found how TLJ handled this to be very creative while still making sense for that universe.
It wasn't. Luke comes to this realization himself at the end of the movie. It also parallels his father's story nicely. In the same way Annakin was lost into Vader, Luke got lost in his regret. They both thought they were doing the right thing. Annakin gets turned around by Luke and he eventually does the right thing (stop the emperor), Rey eventually turns around Luke and Luke does the right thing (help his friends/sister).
I could read no further.
Car wouldn't start. All right.
Either way, I'm sure there's kids all over the world playing out Luke's "sensible yet sort of heroic if you really think about it" choice.
So glad we have movies to push our brave heroes to the extreme and beyond - hopefully in the Top Gun sequel, Maverick will realize at the climax that physically being in the plane he wouldn't stand a chance battling those Russians to help his friends, so instead makes the brave and oh-so-sensible choice to fly a drone via a little TV... and buys enough time!! Great poster too - Maverick holding a drone and the little TV with his leather jacket and sunglasses on.
