Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

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Rey’s “training” came from a lifetime of surviving as a scavenger. She mastered hand-to-hand combat and piloted a variety of rustbuckets. Her awakening Force powers merely augmented those existing skills.

Still doesn’t explain mastering Jedi mind trick, force lift, lightsaber skills, going toe to toe with someone trained for 20 years under 2 powerful force users and besting him both times within a week.

I also don’t recall them mentioning any of this in the movie?

Edit: ah I see, this must explain that part:

This is stressed a lot more in the novel.


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Thanks for elucidating!
 
I think they are trying to drive home the idea that you can become very strong with the force without training.

No, you don’t have to be found, tested in front of a council , and be of a certain age and granted the right to become a force user....

You don’t have to give up sex and relationships....
AND
Become a monk and follow some old guys teachings for years to become powerful.

Not anymore anyway.


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Adjusted score? Is this ****ing real?



Of course it's real. Rottentomatoes is a credible source you little **** lord.




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You guys that dislike this movie are 106% wrong and on the wrong side of history.


Say it with me, loud minority.
 
SNIKT is the pug.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of SNIKT "the wise"? I thought not. It's not a story Khev would tell you. It's a SSF legend. SNIKT was so powerful and so wise he could use the threads to create fan fiction. He had such a knowledge of the SW canon, he could even keep the ones he cared about from liking the sequel trilogy. The dark side of the forum is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his fan fiction, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, Rian Johnson killed him in his sleep. It's ironic, he could save others from the ST, but not himself.

Okie dokie.
 
SNIKT is the pug.

Did you ever hear the tragedy of SNIKT "the wise"? I thought not. It's not a story Khev would tell you. It's a SSF legend. SNIKT was so powerful and so wise he could use the threads to create fan fiction. He had such a knowledge of the SW canon, he could even keep the ones he cared about from liking the sequel trilogy. The dark side of the forum is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his fan fiction, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, Rian Johnson killed him in his sleep. It's ironic, he could save others from the ST, but not himself.

lolz.......
 
Rey’s “training” came from a lifetime of surviving as a scavenger. She mastered hand-to-hand combat and piloted a variety of rustbuckets. Her awakening Force powers merely augmented those existing skills.

Have you ever met children who live without adult care? I have, in Latin America. The notion of Rey raising herself to be a well-adjusted, worldly, spotlessly clean, well-spoken, etc. sans parents in a dog-eat-dog environment is a fantasy more absurd than using our minds to move objects.

I'm not saying people do not rise out of those circumstances, but they do so with a support structure, even if a single caring adult who can transmit the requisite skills, which Jakku conspicuously lacks for anyone.

The onus is on the storyteller to make this seem believable on screen. They present absolutely nothing to suggest she knows how to pilot a vehicle that flies off the ground. She even tells Finn she has no idea how she manoeuvred the Falcon thusly to outfly trained pilots. You can't learn to fight without training partners, full stop. Rey doesn't even seem to have access to a reliable supply of food on screen, but she's in the pink of health. It's all just absurd.

She's a shallow, uninspiring wish-fulfillment character that is actually a major regression for women as action heros. She reminds me of male pulp heroes, who now seem boring and implausible.
 
Have you ever met children who live without adult care? I have, in Latin America. The notion of Rey raising herself to be a well-adjusted, worldly, spotlessly clean, well-spoken, etc. sans parents in a dog-eat-dog environment is a fantasy more absurd than using our minds to move objects.

I'm not saying people do not rise out of those circumstances, but they do so with a support structure, even if a single caring adult who can transmit the requisite skills, which Jakku conspicuously lacks for anyone.

The onus is on the storyteller to make this seem believable on screen. They present absolutely nothing to suggest she knows how to pilot a vehicle that flies off the ground. She even tells Finn she has no idea how she manoeuvred the Falcon thusly to outfly trained pilots. You can't learn to fight without training partners, full stop. Rey doesn't even seem to have access to a reliable supply of food on screen, but she's in the pink of health. It's all just absurd.

She's a shallow, uninspiring wish-fulfillment character that is actually a major regression for women as action heros. She reminds me of male pulp heroes, who now seem boring and implausible.




Forget what I said about you during my Brometheus phase all those long years ago.



I ****ing love Star Puffs.
 
Have you ever met children who live without adult care? I have, in Latin America. The notion of Rey raising herself to be a well-adjusted, worldly, spotlessly clean, well-spoken, etc. sans parents in a dog-eat-dog environment is a fantasy more absurd than using our minds to move objects.

I'm not saying people do not rise out of those circumstances, but they do so with a support structure, even if a single caring adult who can transmit the requisite skills, which Jakku conspicuously lacks for anyone.

The onus is on the storyteller to make this seem believable on screen. They present absolutely nothing to suggest she knows how to pilot a vehicle that flies off the ground. She even tells Finn she has no idea how she manoeuvred the Falcon thusly to outfly trained pilots. You can't learn to fight without training partners, full stop. Rey doesn't even seem to have access to a reliable supply of food on screen, but she's in the pink of health. It's all just absurd.

She's a shallow, uninspiring wish-fulfillment character that is actually a major regression for women as action heros. She reminds me of male pulp heroes, who now seem boring and implausible.

:clap :clap

:lecture

Professor Puffs laying it down

It’s even better coz no one can use their usual defense.
 
Have you ever met children who live without adult care? I have, in Latin America. The notion of Rey raising herself to be a well-adjusted, worldly, spotlessly clean, well-spoken, etc. sans parents in a dog-eat-dog environment is a fantasy more absurd than using our minds to move objects.

I'm not saying people do not rise out of those circumstances, but they do so with a support structure, even if a single caring adult who can transmit the requisite skills, which Jakku conspicuously lacks for anyone.

The onus is on the storyteller to make this seem believable on screen. They present absolutely nothing to suggest she knows how to pilot a vehicle that flies off the ground. She even tells Finn she has no idea how she manoeuvred the Falcon thusly to outfly trained pilots. You can't learn to fight without training partners, full stop. Rey doesn't even seem to have access to a reliable supply of food on screen, but she's in the pink of health. It's all just absurd.

She's a shallow, uninspiring wish-fulfillment character that is actually a major regression for women as action heros. She reminds me of male pulp heroes, who now seem boring and implausible.

:yess:
 
Have you ever met children who live without adult care? I have, in Latin America. The notion of Rey raising herself to be a well-adjusted, worldly, spotlessly clean, well-spoken, etc. sans parents in a dog-eat-dog environment is a fantasy more absurd than using our minds to move objects.

These are fantasy movies. Also, you're going way beyond what the OP was stating. He was talking about her fighting/piloting skills being Star-Wars plausible.



The onus is on the storyteller to make this seem believable on screen. They present absolutely nothing to suggest she knows how to pilot a vehicle that flies off the ground.

REY: I've flown a few ships but never left the planet.

The onus is on you to pay attention.

You can't learn to fight without training partners, full stop.

You can learn by fighting against real enemies, as she is demonstrated doing in the movie.
 
I think they are trying to drive home the idea that you can become very strong with the force without training.

No, you don’t have to be found, tested in front of a council , and be of a certain age and granted the right to become a force user....

You don’t have to give up sex and relationships....
AND
Become a monk and follow some old guys teachings for years to become powerful.

Not anymore anyway.


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And that's a problem for this new way of story telling. If at any point a new even stronger character can be introduced, just because, then there is no weight to anything. It's a never ending loop of uninteresting characters. Kylo dies, some new evil force kid can take his place, and be even more powerful! Rey dies, another nobody, maybe broom boy (?) can take her place, and be even more perfect than Rey. How is any of that remotely interesting?

Why did Yoda hide in waiting for their "New Hope" (Luke) to come of age. Why did Obi-Wan keep watch over Luke? Because he was the only one that stood a chance in over throwing Vader and ultimately the Emperor. Under the new regime, Yoda would force mind probe the galaxy and find countless Broom boys to force skype and train while remaining hidden and just keep throwing these random people into confrontations with Vader until eventually someone defeats him. Every one of them is expendable since the universe is now filled with super powerful force wielders. Or vader would be on a never ending quest to hunt down and kill EVERYONE, cause anyone could be a threat to the Emperor and the Empire... There is no clear and direct path to anything. That would take too much time and skill to plot and thread into the narrative..

Rian Johnson and Kennedy just say "**** it!!" It's Star Wars, no one really cares. Whether it's good or not it'll still make bank... :pfft:
 
^^ :lol


Have you ever met children who live without adult care? I have, in Latin America. The notion of Rey raising herself to be a well-adjusted, worldly, spotlessly clean, well-spoken, etc. sans parents in a dog-eat-dog environment is a fantasy more absurd than using our minds to move objects.

I'm not saying people do not rise out of those circumstances, but they do so with a support structure, even if a single caring adult who can transmit the requisite skills, which Jakku conspicuously lacks for anyone.

The onus is on the storyteller to make this seem believable on screen. They present absolutely nothing to suggest she knows how to pilot a vehicle that flies off the ground. She even tells Finn she has no idea how she manoeuvred the Falcon thusly to outfly trained pilots. You can't learn to fight without training partners, full stop. Rey doesn't even seem to have access to a reliable supply of food on screen, but she's in the pink of health. It's all just absurd.

She's a shallow, uninspiring wish-fulfillment character that is actually a major regression for women as action heros. She reminds me of male pulp heroes, who now seem boring and implausible.

Star Puffs killed it today.
 
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