Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[loki2371]

So, you’re complaining that a Dark Side user took out his master, whom he had become disenchanted with? And before he completed his training?

The Dark Side isn’t exactly known for patience and skill. More often than not, it’s main draw is blind ambition and power. He saw his opportunity and he took it. It’s entirely believable to me. It’s not been done on film before, so it will be interesting to see where it leads.

By the way, the only ones to actually use force lightning in the films have been Palpatine, Count Dooku and Snoke. So, it’s not like Kylo is missing out. And he could technically still try and learn it from any archives or manuscripts that Snoke left behind.

Went to bed after my post so I didn't get a chance to reply.. klwn pretty much said it all, so I no longer need to explain.. Great posts klwn!

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Yep.

RO/SW/ESB > SW/ESB/ROTJ

Mr. Devito and a few nitpicks aside I did at least enjoy RO. A pretty solid 4th place showing.

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[RIDDICK]

We can make fun of these guys and all, but they're 100% on point.

 

[loki2371]

That explanation about Finn & Rose is pretty good, but like Wor-Gar said, way over conceptualized and drawn out. Many better alternatives to what we got which also would've picked up the pacing as well.

And I still don't get the "Rebel-scum" line from Finn. It should be Resistance-Scum. There is no Rebellion in these movies. That's the OT and the OT alone. The Rebellion rose to rebel and fight against the Empire who was the ruling and controlling/supressive force in the galaxy. The New Republic in TFA established after ROTJ when the Emperor & Vader's deaths along with the Empire falling, is now the ruling body of Government. Not the Empire. Back to their old ways, hence New Republic - Old Republic. The New Republic disbanded the majority of the army since it was a time of peace and no longer needed. Leia disagreed. She found followers and created the Resistance. A small army to thwart anything new to pop up since the New Republic knew the Old Empire retreated to the farthest reaches and were slowly rebuilding to become the FO. They just didn't consider them a threat.

Again, bad writing by Johnson as if he ignored everything we learned of the New Republic, The Resistance and the FO from TFA. And Kennedy's wonderful force is female story group either didn't pick up on it, or two were too bust swooning over Johnson's worshiping of Kennedy to be her boy toy who would do her bidding. She is the Empress now, having over thrown Lucas as the Emperor while having a smile on her face and telling him she would continue his ideas. She's the Sith in this new regime!!

 

[loki2371]

Another entertaining review a friend sent me, for those who enjoy watching that sort of thing. Don't think it's been posted.. Sorry to the fans of TLJ and those who just hate these YouTube videos, but after all no one is forcing you watch them. Simply just don't click on it and everyone can be happy...



And who doesn't love puppets!!!!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

SW is cult, or a political party....that's true.

 

[Khev]

Mr. Devito and a few nitpicks aside I did at least enjoy RO. A pretty solid 4th place showing.

I actually like it when people present ROTJ as being untouchable because it completely destroys any credibility in criticizing the Disney flicks.

 

[Khev]

And I still don't get the "Rebel-scum" line from Finn. It should be Resistance-Scum. There is no Rebellion in these movies. That's the OT and the OT alone. The Rebellion rose to rebel and fight against the Empire who was the ruling and controlling/supressive force in the galaxy. The New Republic in TFA established after ROTJ when the Emperor & Vader's deaths along with the Empire falling, is now the ruling body of Government.

To quote Luke, everything you just said is wrong... After TFA there is no more "Republic." TLJ's scroll reminded everyone of that. The FO are the oppressors now so the Resistance did indeed become a true Rebellion. "The REBELLION is reborn today." --Luke Skywalker

 

[loki2371]

I actually like it when people present ROTJ as being untouchable because it completely destroys any credibility in criticizing the Disney flicks.

If that's somewhat directed towards me I'm not sure I follow. I only mentioned how in ROTJ The Emperor & Vader were defeated and the Empire was sent retreating. Everything else I said is from TFA & TLJ...

And even if one doesn't like one or multiple movies in the SW series, they are all interconnected. You can't simply ignore what happened in one movie because you didn't like it. That's one of the biggest problems many have with TLJ. It crapped on everything that came before it... 8 movies worth.

 

[Khev]

If that's somewhat directed towards me

It was not (unless of course you do consider ROTJ to be an untouchable film with regard to criticism.)

And even if one doesn't like one or multiple movies in the SW series, they are all interconnected. You can't simply ignore what happened in one movie because you didn't like it. That's one of the biggest problems many have with TLJ. It crapped on everything that came before it... 8 movies worth.

Well, again, welcome to Return of the Jedi, which totally crapped on Vader's plea from ESB to have Luke help him destroy the Emperor so they could rule as father and son.

 

[crows]

I'm still under the impression that if it wasn't ****ing space horses, but pod-racing. It would have been a much more entertaining sequence.

Could have been pod racing and the drivers been the slave children that are freed then not only rose's plot would stay the same but it would have been better looking, cooler looking and would have been more meaningful to free slave kids.
( they could have taken taken the children in the ship with them)

Those animals are gonna get recaptured. It is extremely idiotic to not assume that the rich people will pay to capture them again...making rose that much more retarded

But pod racing and freed kids would have been worthy of being in the movie.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Luke - "The rebellion is reborn today!"

Tommy Wiseau - "Oh hi, Mark!"

Luke - "See you around kid."

Tommy - "That's meee! Bye!"

 

[loki2371]

To quote Luke, everything you just said is wrong... After TFA there is no more "Republic." TLJ's scroll reminded everyone of that. The FO are the oppressors now so the Resistance did indeed become a true Rebellion. "The REBELLION is reborn today." --Luke Skywalker

So you believe in one day after the FO used their death star, I mean star killer base, to destroy SOME planets (not every planet in the New-Republic), the New-Republic just died? In that same day, the FO had a military presence on every planet and was already oppressing the galaxy as the new rulers? I don't remember the FO having a senator in the new galactic senate representing them. The FO at this point is still just a rather large and ominous threat to the galaxy. Just like the Nazi's, who If I'm right, never controlled the whole world, and a rebellion, the allies, rose to over throw him. There hasn't been a galaxy wide conflict against the FO yet... You know, like the Clone Wars.. Oh wait, that never happened because those movies aren't any good... Gotcha..

The New-Republic still has 25% of the original army somewhere....

 

[Khev]

But pod racing and freed kids would have been worthy of being in the movie.

Agreed, Star Wars is definitely at it's best when it's referencing The Phantom Menace.

 

[crows]

Agreed, Star Wars is definitely at it's best when it's referencing The Phantom Menace.

Referencing the best thing about that movie, yes.
Referencing one of the best parts of the prequels yes


Instead we get a boring crappy sci fi version of this:

 

[Khev]

So you believe in one day after the FO used their death star, I mean star killer base, to destroy SOME planets (not every planet in the New-Republic), the New-Republic just died?

The entire Galactic government (the Republic) was wiped out including their standing fleet, yes. That was spelled out quite specifically in TFA. Can we assume that individual planets have *some* sort of military defense? Probably, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that you've got your Naboos with local militias here and there and what not. But no single planet would have the capability to withstand the FO, that's what the TLJ scroll implied anyway.

In that same day, the FO had a military presence on every planet and was already oppressing the galaxy as the new rulers? I don't remember the FO having a senator in the new galactic senate representing them. The FO at this point is still just a rather large and ominous threat to the galaxy.

No I don't think we are to believe that the FO occupies each and every planet the way we saw Stormtroopers walking around Tatooine in ANH. But I do think that we are meant to believe that every planet in the galaxy is now like Bespin; that is subject to complete domination by the oppressing military any time it might choose to show up.

 

[Khev]

Referencing the best thing about that movie, yes.
Referencing one of the best parts of the prequels yes


Instead we get a boring crappy sci fi version of this:

Ah, come on, no Sarah McClachlan?

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

Aside from a cash machine., I don't think star wars will ever recapture the magic it had in the 70 or 80s. It's not as unique anymore, it is oversaturated more than ever, and whereas Lucas used to have one big story to tell, I feel like they are taking it as they go now. Hopefully I'm wrong but I don't get the feeling that Disney knew where the trilogy was going to go when they started working on TFA.

I think after the old trilogy, episode 1 felt truly special because it finally returned and the story was still part of the original plan. And maul was intriguing as ****. But after that, people saw the drip in quality and star wars, like Luke's quote about the jedi, wasn't such the legend anymore.

Disney has marvel ongoing and I'd argue that they are way more enthusiastic about that property.

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[loki2371]

So after your comments Khev, I watched the opening crawl form TLJ... I now remember another problem I have with the movie. Remember its immedietly set after TFA. How is it possible in a day or 2 that Snoke & the FO have "Decimated the peaceful republic, Snoke NOW deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy", as in it's happening NOW, not already happened. There are hundreds upon hundreds of planets in the New Republic. They just started the war, we have no idea if they've won. That is more than likely why no one sent reinforcements to Leia, cause everyone else was already in their own battle against the FO. They don't actually rule anything yet.

 

[Khev]

Is there an official word on how much time passed between TFA and TLJ? On my first viewing I thought TLJ might even be occurring literally the exact same day that TFA ended, but then I remembered that Poe comes out of hyperspace followed by bombers from some other system when TFA ended with him on the ground waving Rey off in non-flight military apparel.