Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Darkseed]

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Civil discussions not allowed please move along...

If your post doesn’t contain content that ya Sta Wurs is ruined forever your not adding to the conversation

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The only reason Rey didn't kill Snoke Hefner was because of all the Mary Sue criticism.

Prime Rey from TFA would have do this easily.

 

[Vitron5]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Interstellar showed us time is relative in space travel...

OK, I'll go with that. And what about the bombing ship. Rose's sister sucked into space when the door opened? And bombs fall in space? Was this answered and I missed it?

 

[Darkseed]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Hyperspace? Light sabers, the force was it explained or did I miss it?

 

[DarthNeil]

Art is subjective. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and it would be a very boring world if everyone felt the same about everything.

This movie is a work of art. Hate it. Love it. Feel me'h about it. It is art. Personally I loved it. What did you expect-- Luke coming out and facing down the entire First Order with a laser sword?... Well he did, but to correctly paraphrase Yoda from ESB-- your lightaber-- you will not need it. And he didn't.

Maybe it's cause I was a boy when I saw Luke for the first time in '77... and I'm now a grizzled old man-- but this Luke resonated with me stronger than any other version. ANH Luke taught me how to grow into being a morally balanced young man but this TLJ Luke taught me how to become an old one.

"We are what they grow beyond."

 

[Darth Fok]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

I'm not sure if this was answered but how many days did Rey stay on that island Learning while the FO chased the Resistance for 18 hours.

Why didn’t the FO just hyperspace in front of the rebel cruiser and just destroy it? Or call in more ships?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

ANH Luke taught me how to grow into being a morally balanced young man but this TLJ Luke taught me how to become an old one.

I learned to run away from my problems, hide, and drink milk for calcium.

We can share the same island if you like...

 

[SNIKT1950]

What did you expect-- Luke coming out and facing down the entire First Order with a laser sword?

No, not the entire FO, just a dozen or so troopers at a time and naturally Kylo or Snoke one on one. Normal expectations, ya know?

Instead we got horse**** astral projection. We got horse**** everything.

I think the only thing this film got right was the comedy. The comedy landed even when it shouldn't have. That's why again, this whole movie is a troll to anyone who loves and respects SW.

 

[DarthNeil]

I learned to run away from my problems, hide, and drink milk for calcium.

Not exactly, but thanks for playing.

 

[Sassafras]

REEEEEEEEEEEE

It may be fantasy, but in Star Wars you can't fly or breathe in space!!!!!

I'm not even taking into account how goofy it looked. She looked like that early 2000s CGI, you know, like Neo flying around or Legolas running up the elephant or ****ing Superman catching that plane.

Reminded me of the bubble space suit. At least, that's the first thing I thought of with the ice coating. Now I think, there's something *terrifying* about Disney. Because audiences have the *warm and fuzzies* for the Guardians characters who can also survive explosions etc. And Disney can bet a lot of the GOTG2 audience is at Star Wars.

It's subliminal. Everything the audience sees fills us with warm fuzzies. For an extended universe. There'll be a GOTG/SW crossover. Disney will rule the world, and crush any competition like the First Order.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

And contemplate murder over your sleeping nephew when his only crime was having bad thoughts (as opposed to killing, you know, your dad who murdered everyone, choked out your mom, hurt your friends and cut off your hand).

Well balanced.

 

[DarthNeil]

No, not the entire FO, just a dozen or so troopers at a time and naturally Kylo or Snoke one on one. Normal expectations, ya know?

Instead we got horse**** astral projection. We got horse**** everything.

I think the only thing this film got right was the comedy. The comedy landed even when it shouldn't have. That's why again, this whole movie is a troll to anyone who loves and respects SW.

The problem is that when the Jedi were flying around with their lightsabers in heroic fashion they weren't really following what their path was supposed to be... case in point, which was a stronger Yoda: flipping AOTC fighting Dooku version or ESB filled with wise counsel who never even touched a lightsaber? The fact that Luke faced the entire First Order--- schooled Kylo one last time-- and WAS the spark to start a proper rebellion was perfect in my mind... loved the swerve of the projection (set up earlier with Kylo saying to Rey in their first link "you couldn't do this-- the effort would kill you"... Luke's sacrifice).

 

[Sassafras]

You're not wrong. Now that you brought it up, it is a lot like GOTG2. Every character in that was practically impervious to any damage.

Not just that, but Feige keeps talking about space and the next phases and "stuff we've never seen" and comic characters don't have human-sized lives and the fan-ficcers already do mash-ups (don't read 'em but know they are there along w. bad porn).

IMO I waz joking but it's not off the table tho.

 

[Adam1138]

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There’s so many things wrong on so many different levels with this film. After having a day or so to digest what I saw on Friday night, all I can say is I’ll feel like I’ve watched a SW parody film. And not a very good one at that. It honestly wouldn’t have surprised me if Kermit the *****king frog would have hopped across the screen! I was cringing inwardly the whole way through. It made me feel embarrassed to be a SW fan.

 

[medicomsucks]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

OK, I'll go with that. And what about the bombing ship. Rose's sister sucked into space when the door opened? And bombs fall in space? Was this answered and I missed it?

We've seen tie bombers in ESB, so there is precedent for bombs falling. Im not sure how it works, unless there are little thrusters on them. As far as people being sucked into space, don't recall that before, it makes vader standing in an open part of a ship in space a bit puzzling though. Maybe force users are resistant to the vacuum of space, ...and freezing I guess.

I'm now wondering if jedis can thaw themselves, why would fire or electricity kill them? Why didn't Leia just stop the laser blasts like kylo can do?

 

[DarthNeil]

And contemplate murder over your sleeping nephew when his only crime was having bad thoughts (as opposed to killing, you know, your dad who murdered everyone, choked out your mom, hurt your friends and cut off your hand).

One second when he saw the return of the dark--- a moment and in that same moment he knew it was immediately wrong-- but too late. You can't have a tragic hero without a tragic flaw and Luke's tragic flaw is that he was made into the legend- which he might have bought into-- when in reality he was always just a man. He ended things as a man who embraced being a legend.

 

[TonTon]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

After thinking on it a bit- I think the movie failed with fans due to the intent the director had while writing it. To capture the old Star Wars feeling in TFA JJ basically made a soft remake of ANH. Whereas in TLJ it seemed the only goal was the other extreme and to subvert expectations at the expense of telling a good story.

It seemed every scene was - 'think you can guess what's going to happen, what he/ she is going to do? Guess again!' From snokes demise (and no backstory) to Rey's parentage to Luke throwing away the lightsaber and contemplating killing a child in their sleep etc etc it was all meant to surprise by going against everything that the fans had been guessing.

Ultimately it basically explained nothing though - like why is Rey so strong in the force, and able to take on so much with barely any training, whereas kylo was trained by 2 powerful masters. Where was Snoke this whole time (this is only important as he's shown to be more powerful than the emporer - if he hadn't been more powerful it wouldn't matter who he is, we could believe someone just picked up the pieces of the empire)

Even the title for the first time is a misnomer in SW history. In attack of the clones - that's literally what happend. In a new hope or empire strikes back - ditto. For all of the original 6 titles. However Luke clearly says 'I will not be the last jedi' and it flashes over to Rey and they show broom kid at the end, even making the title a subversion.

Rian went so far in one direction just so he could one up the audience all the way through, and he succeeded, but the backlash is making it clear the audience doesn't always appreciate that.

For me the parts the didn’t work really had less to do with plot points but more to do with the silliness that was inserted all over the place. TFA struck a similar tone to the OT. To me, where TFA suffered was the borrowed plot points but the tone that they got was as close as I could expect. Humor in TFA came from character interactions rather than BS like gags with the caretakers and the laundry space ship and porgs hanging around the cockpit in the final battle.

 

[jye4ever]

REEEEEEEEEEEE

It may be fantasy, but in Star Wars you can't fly or breathe in space!!!!!



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Jedi can't hold their breath!

The ships have airlocks! The very conception of Vader's breathing mask was out of a need to travel from ship to ship during boardings.

I can buy a Jedi's body disappearing when they die. I can accept moving **** with your mind and jumping/flipping all over the place like a god damn frog. ****, I can even dig Kylo stopping laser bolts mid blast. But Super Leia I can't abide by, I just can't. Everyone in that room with her exploded and were met with a grisly demise. Poor Ackbar's head is probably floating in space. But Leia is suddenly invincible, can breathe/hold her breath in space? No, NO!

I'm not even taking into account how goofy it looked. She looked like that early 2000s CGI, you know, like Neo flying around or Legolas running up the elephant or ****ing Superman catching that plane. We're talking about a bloated, elderly Carrie Fisher that's been strung up and launched through space. The fact that she's dead makes this even worse! It's like, if James Cameron made Titanic 2 and had old Rose diving down to the wreckage to go retrieve the diamond. It's just not right.

They've gone too far, this and Luke's force hologram projection or that **** where Rey and Kylo can visit with each other outside the room (****ing Kylo getting ocean water on him, hnnnnng). If force users are capable of such feats, how come the Jedi and Sith are virtually extinct? Why didn't the Emperor just force project a hologram of himself on the 2nd Death Star while he was chilling on Coruscant taking a dump? How did Vader succumb to his wounds, why does he need a breathing system to live?! If Leia can live after blowing up, why does Luke have a heart attack from thinking too hard on a rock??


HNNNNG Make it stop, make it stop.

I am crying reading this.

See D you know the secret to breaking me down, thought provoking humor.

After reading this I can easily say **** it to it all because when Jedi’s became Thanos they instantly became uninteresting.

Yeah I can enjoy some of the exciting space battles, videogame Vader and cool costumes but at the end of the day it truly is all Hnnnnng.

You see Master D on the mic you accomplished on one post what your Snikt, Clown and Gaspar of the world wouldn’t be able to do in a million posts.

Congrats.

I am making a Raiders cologne for Wor-Gar and a SW 77 cologne for you.

That way when both of your rotting dead child like wonder insides start to stink you just spray some of that cologne to make you smell all old school fresh lol

 

[medicomsucks]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Why didn’t the FO just hyperspace in front of the rebel cruiser and just destroy it? Or call in more ships?

Because it ain't like dustin' crops? All I know is if there is a death star III, I already know how to destroy it.

 

[SilverStar17]

Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi SPOILER DISCUSSION THREAD

Civil discussions not allowed please move along...

If your post doesn’t contain content that ya Sta Wurs is ruined forever your not adding to the conversation ��

Looks like someone took your post to heart.

There’s so many things wrong on so many different levels with this film. After having a day or so to digest what I saw on Friday night, all I can say is I’ll feel like I’ve watched a SW parody film. And not a very good one at that. It honestly wouldn’t have surprised me if Kermit the *****king frog would have hopped across the screen! I was cringing inwardly the whole way through. It made me feel embarrassed to be a SW fan.