Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Shawpaw]

for those who hate this movie, I guess we cannot make decisions for ourselves anymore. We should follow their lead and line up with them like sheep.

These comments by the haters are ridiculous!!!

Which ones in particular?

 

[Snake Plissken]

Just that americans are stupid.

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[SNIKT1950]

you have yet to give a solid, sound, argument on why it doesn’t work. you’re still pissy about vampire snoke.

For over a dozen posts you keep trying to disprove me over a Reddit theory that didn't come true. Its pathetic at this point. Just pathetic.

But keep trying to defend this garbage, mate, however you can. Keep bringing up "Force Vampires" as much as you like.

Doesn't change anything. Its a garbage movie.

 

[morphosis]

The hysteria over this film is absolutely hilarious.

Rian Johnson said before the movie came out that he wanted to push these characters to their limits after they'd been stripped of nearly every advantage. That's not "agenda pushing" it's simply good drama.

Poe is a weakened male? No he was a cocky pilot that could previously do no wrong until...things started to go wrong. So we got to see how he reacted when the chips were down. When every suggestion and maneuver he made *didn't* save the day. And that allowed him to grow.

Rey was stripped of her hope that the mystery of her parents would in and of itself give her life purpose and a sense of belonging.

And Johnson dared to strip even the great Luke Skywalker of his "legendary" status, to actually give him a real arc and give him an opportunity to prove himself when it wasn't all about him being the Chosen One's son and the galaxy's last hope.

This was not an incoherent film. It was a race against the clock/chase movie (Resistance ship trying to outrun Snoke's fleet) with all the heroes working toward the goal of saving the fleet. Heroes that were brought down to zero and forced to climb up again.

I fail to see how the film's "messages" were overtly left-wing. The evil of what Luke was contemplating against a sleeping Ben Solo should hit WAY closer to home for Pro-Choicers than anyone on the right. Also calling out the evil of funding terrorist organizations. Not exactly a "Pro-Obama" message now is it? So conservatives can just chill out about the messaging. I don't think this film was meant to be partisan anyway. Last I checked animal cruelty isn't a left vs. right issue. Nor is greed, genocide, slavery, etc. So I'm okay if the film's morale is that "bad things are bad," lol.

I don't mind films reflecting current political events if they aren't preaching or lecturing in a divisive way. In that regard Holdo can represent Hillary OR Trump. It presents her a leader who is not the characters' first choice and one that appears incompetent or even traitorous. But rather than using her to say Hillary = bad or Trump = bad it does what good escapist entertainment should do and says "what if you were wrong about that leader you hate (on either side) and he/she turned out to be surprisingly awesome when it mattered the most?" We should all agree that that would be pretty cool, on screen and off.

Getting back to Luke his moment in Ben's tent isn't nearly as sacrilegious as many are making it out to be. Hell it's basically what Yoda and Ben were pretty much advocating in the OT. "Kill an evil family member for the greater good." It's what Ben wanted him to do to Vader when they chatted in ROTJ. And Yoda and Ben urged him to sacrifice Han and Leia in ESB. And if TPM had featured a scene where Qui Gon or Obi-Wan got a future vision of what little Anakin would become, and we as the audience already KNEW it would all come true because we watched the OT, would we think they were losers for being tempted to just off the kid right there? Would it be "right" to do? No, of course not, but it is an interesting dilemma that few films would dare to ask.

And at the end of the day Luke did NOT follow through with harming Ben, and because Luke is Luke the very knowledge that he even considered it haunted him for years. Ballsy, poignant, and tailor made for one hell of a comeback.

Sure he could have been presented like Yoda and Ben were in the OT. Simple supporting badasses with virtually no arcs of their own. And it would have ticked off the box for many simply wishing to see Luke unleash a bunch of badass powers and moves and nothing more. But I'm pretty damn impressed (blown away actually) that Johnson dared to bring such a hero down to the point where he was pretty much lost and begging for help in the snow on Hoth again, hell I'd say he was even brought lower than that. There's a lot of risk in making such an attempt to give such an established character such a full arc again but that was a worthy endeavor and I think that both Johnson and Hamill did a hell of a job in pulling it off.

I think people forget Star Wars has always been more liberal in their views. Star Wars was created by Lucas as an anti-Vietnam war film. He was originally going to do 'Apocalypse Now' as we all know before Star Wars, but it didn't work out. So he made Star Wars instead using ideas he had been working on for a long time. I mean The Empire he saw as the United States and the Rebels were the Vietnamese. This is no secret, he's talked about it for 40-50 years now.
Star Wars had always been diverse and pro-feminism. Again, no secret. So all of a sudden in todays divisive political world the people who lean Right don't see that in the old films? Instead they attack the new ones for following what had been part of the stories all a long.

When your a kid you don't pick these themes up. But they have always been there. They get more progressive as we go because the world has opened up a lot more since 1977. But its always been there.

 

[The Chaver]

The problem with movies these days is social media. Especially big humongous flicks like this.

They now change things within the film at last minute even, because of the monitoring on social networks. Where is the creativeness in that??

It’s ****ing surreal...

I stopped playing video games that had the huge cash grab thing attached them. Never bought any of the Battlefront games or anything from EA.

I’ll stay clear of these movies until stream rentals from now on as well.




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[Cap'n Cook]

After a couple of days out of this thread I'm glad to see the 'you think space Leia/phantom luke etc is great then you are a fool' / 'you hate space Leia/phantom luke etc' then you're an *****' is still going strong.

 

[jye4ever]

If i’m seeking out a neurosurgeon for my son yeah i’m going to be picky and do my research and not just going to settle for any medical group my insurance company says is good enough for him.

If i’m walking into my 9th SW movie in 40 years made by a different studio and that’s going to cost me a whopping $20 yeah i’m fully ok with having to settle a little bit.

Sure I didn’t just settle for JL BECAUSE that was their first cinematic moment together it was their 77 SW moment and they blew it.

Sure I didn’t just settle for the PT (I didn’t make myself like them but I was traumatized lol) BECAUSE they were made by the creator himself and he blew it!

So YES i’m going to relax and settle if required on the 3rd SW movie by Disney.

Shoot me lol

 

[ZaCHw117]

For over a dozen posts you keep trying to disprove me over a Reddit theory that didn't come true. Its pathetic at this point. Just pathetic.

But keep trying to defend this garbage, mate, however you can. Keep bringing up "Force Vampires" as much as you like.

Doesn't change anything. Its a garbage movie.

Maybe now you can see how pathetic and annoying your posts sounded for the last 2 years.

I'm giving my reasons why I liked it and didn't like it. Such as Rose and Casino planet. I have reasons. You are just calling it garbage cause your pissy about your solid snoke theory about being a ******* vampire.

Luke using the force?

NOT IN STAR WARS!

Vampires?

OH YES BEST THING FOR STAR WARS.

Don't you see how ridiculously stupid you sound?

The movie is garbage, I'm not gonna give you reasons why it's garbage, but trust me, it's garbage.

Coming from the guy who would rather see a vampire in a ******* star wars movie than a jedi using the force. SMDH.

 

[jye4ever]

Mad max was one of the greatest times at the movie theater,

Mad max was the definition of adult fun. It literally was mario kart the movie for grown ups.
Everything in that movie was designed to pump adrenaline constantly.
Mad max gave us a crazy dude in a guitar hanging from chains while other dudes play the drums in a high speed chase

Mad max fury road had no plot holes or unanswered questions. The perfect theater experience

Explain to me why do you dislike such a FUN movie my bro bro

The main villain of the movie literally sits on the side of a hill doing absolutely nothing just waiting for the convoy to eventually make a U-Turn back his way.

Nothing just sitting there picking his ear for all I know.

Horrible just horrible.

 

[Snake Plissken]

After a couple of days out of this thread I'm glad to see the 'you think space Leia/phantom luke etc is great then you are a fool' / 'you hate space Leia/phantom luke etc' then you're an *****' is still going strong.

You want a piece of this too?

 

[ZaCHw117]

The main villain of the movie literally sits on the side of a hill doing absolutely nothing just waiting for the convoy to eventually make a U-Turn back his way.

Nothing just sitting there picking his ear for all I know.

Horrible just horrible.

Yeah the ****s in that flick make green ***-juice alien look like Amy Adams.

 

[Spazz]

I think people forget Star Wars has always been more liberal in their views. Star Wars was created by Lucas as an anti-Vietnam war film. He was originally going to do 'Apocalypse Now' as we all know before Star Wars, but it didn't work out. So he made Star Wars instead using ideas he had been working on for a long time. I mean The Empire he saw as the United States and the Rebels were the Vietnamese. This is no secret, he's talked about it for 40-50 years now.
Star Wars had always been diverse and pro-feminism. Again, no secret. So all of a sudden in todays divisive political world the people who lean Right don't see that in the old films? Instead they attack the new ones for following what had been part of the stories all a long.

When your a kid you don't pick these themes up. But they have always been there. They get more progressive as we go because the world has opened up a lot more since 1977. But its always been there.

Star Wars is definitely liberal in the classical sense. Lucas was opposed to the Vietnam War, as were most people. However, Star Wars wasn't an implicit advocacy of Hippy Idealism. In fact, Lucas was criticized by idealistic Baby Boomers in a way that sounds identical to SJW identity politics. For an example of hippy bs, here's what Carl Sagan had to say about Star Wars:



Hippies and Millenials: We want equality within the system!
Generation X: Destroy the system.

 

[xipotec]

Know what’s weird....

There was so much Snoke hate around here on his reveal....

Now people are mad they killed him off.....so quickly.

I think he’s a McGuffin.....I sort think he may not have actually been real but a thrall to Kylo and his madness....

He basically was there so Kylo could move up in the world by killing him.


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[pixletwin]

Yeah, ASTRAL ****ING PROJECTION Luke is profound and exciting. Almost as profound and exciting as Mary Poppins Space Leia.

I swear to God, people just like dumb **** these days.

I commend you for keeping the discourse civil.

 

[ironwez20]

Know what’s weird....

There was so much Snoke hate around here on his reveal....

Now people are mad they killed him off.....so quickly.

I think he’s a McGuffin.....I sort think he may not have actually been real but a thrall to Kylo and his madness....

He basically was there so Kylo could move up in the world by killing him.


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Then he has no point. Why the hell is he the leader of the first order? Why him? Why did he chose kylo? Why is the first order so powerful when they got defeated?

 

[YoNoSe]

Chet mad now.

 

[Craig Walker]

 

[Snake Plissken]

Chet mad now.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

You want a piece of this too?

 

[Spazz]

This picture pretty much nails it.

I grew up idolizing characters who blew up the Death Star. Kids these days want equality from within it.