Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Darkseed]

It’s in the Gareth Edwards cut of TLJ.

The greys, the vampires...

Simplicity.......got a chuckle out of it. Think it’s the Han gif.

 

[cerealkeller]

The hysteria over this film is absolutely hilarious.

Rian Johnson said before the movie came out that he wanted to push these characters to their limits after they'd been stripped of nearly every advantage. That's not "agenda pushing" it's simply good drama.

Poe is a weakened male? No he was a cocky pilot that could previously do no wrong until...things started to go wrong. So we got to see how he reacted when the chips were down. When every suggestion and maneuver he made *didn't* save the day. And that allowed him to grow.

Rey was stripped of her hope that the mystery of her parents would in and of itself give her life purpose and a sense of belonging.

And Johnson dared to strip even the great Luke Skywalker of his "legendary" status, to actually give him a real arc and give him an opportunity to prove himself when it wasn't all about him being the Chosen One's son and the galaxy's last hope.

This was not an incoherent film. It was a race against the clock/chase movie (Resistance ship trying to outrun Snoke's fleet) with all the heroes working toward the goal of saving the fleet. Heroes that were brought down to zero and forced to climb up again. A pretty straight forward narrative.

I fail to see how the film's "messages" were overtly left-wing. The evil of what Luke was contemplating against a sleeping Ben Solo should hit WAY closer to home for Pro-Choicers than anyone on the right. Also calling out the evil of making deals that fund terrorist organizations. Not exactly a "Pro-Obama" message now is it? So conservatives can just chill out about the messaging. I don't think this film was meant to be partisan anyway. Last I checked animal cruelty isn't a left vs. right issue. Nor is greed, genocide, slavery, etc. So I'm okay if the film's morale is that "bad things are bad," lol.

I don't mind films reflecting current political events if they aren't preaching or lecturing in a divisive way. In that regard Holdo can represent Hillary OR Trump because it presents her as a leader who is not the characters' first choice and one that appears incompetent or even traitorous. But rather than using her to say Hillary = bad or Trump = bad it does what good escapist entertainment should do and says "what if you were wrong about that leader you hate (on either side) and he/she turned out to be surprisingly awesome when it mattered the most?" We should all agree that that would be pretty cool, on screen and off.

Getting back to Luke, his moment in Ben's tent isn't nearly as sacrilegious as many are making it out to be. Hell it's basically what Yoda and Ben were pretty much advocating in the OT. "Kill an evil family member for the greater good." It's what Ben wanted him to do to Vader when they chatted in ROTJ. And Yoda and Ben urged him to sacrifice Han and Leia in ESB. And if TPM had featured a scene where Qui Gon or Obi-Wan got a future vision of what little Anakin would become, and we as the audience already KNEW it would all come true because we watched the OT, would we think they were losers for being tempted to just off the kid right there? Would it be "right" to do? No, of course not, but it is an interesting dilemma that few films would dare to ask.

And at the end of the day Luke did NOT follow through with harming Ben, and because Luke is Luke the very knowledge that he even considered it haunted him for years. Ballsy, poignant, and tailor made for one hell of a comeback.

Sure he could have been presented like Yoda and Ben were in the OT. Simple supporting badasses with virtually no arcs of their own. And it would have ticked off the box for many simply wishing to see Luke unleash a bunch of badass powers and moves and nothing more. But I'm pretty damn impressed (blown away actually) that Johnson dared to bring such a hero down to the point where he was pretty much lost and begging for help in the snow on Hoth again, hell I'd say he was even brought lower than that. There's a lot of risk in making such an attempt to give such an established character such a full arc again but that was a worthy endeavor and I think that both Johnson and Hamill did a hell of a job in pulling it off.

I’m staying out of most of the arguing back and forth about this film so thank you for making the best post in this thread that basically sums up my feelings about TLJ. As always, a well thought out post that brings up points I didn’t even consider. I’ll gladly support you if you run for office [emoji23]


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[spindrift]

The hysteria over this film is absolutely hilarious.

Rian Johnson said before the movie came out that he wanted to push these characters to their limits after they'd been stripped of nearly every advantage. That's not "agenda pushing" it's simply good drama.

Poe is a weakened male? No he was a cocky pilot that could previously do no wrong until...things started to go wrong. So we got to see how he reacted when the chips were down. When every suggestion and maneuver he made *didn't* save the day. And that allowed him to grow.

Rey was stripped of her hope that the mystery of her parents would in and of itself give her life purpose and a sense of belonging.

And Johnson dared to strip even the great Luke Skywalker of his "legendary" status, to actually give him a real arc and give him an opportunity to prove himself when it wasn't all about him being the Chosen One's son and the galaxy's last hope.

This was not an incoherent film. It was a race against the clock/chase movie (Resistance ship trying to outrun Snoke's fleet) with all the heroes working toward the goal of saving the fleet. Heroes that were brought down to zero and forced to climb up again. A pretty straight forward narrative.

I fail to see how the film's "messages" were overtly left-wing. The evil of what Luke was contemplating against a sleeping Ben Solo should hit WAY closer to home for Pro-Choicers than anyone on the right. Also calling out the evil of making deals that fund terrorist organizations. Not exactly a "Pro-Obama" message now is it? So conservatives can just chill out about the messaging. I don't think this film was meant to be partisan anyway. Last I checked animal cruelty isn't a left vs. right issue. Nor is greed, genocide, slavery, etc. So I'm okay if the film's morale is that "bad things are bad," lol.

I don't mind films reflecting current political events if they aren't preaching or lecturing in a divisive way. In that regard Holdo can represent Hillary OR Trump because it presents her as a leader who is not the characters' first choice and one that appears incompetent or even traitorous. But rather than using her to say Hillary = bad or Trump = bad it does what good escapist entertainment should do and says "what if you were wrong about that leader you hate (on either side) and he/she turned out to be surprisingly awesome when it mattered the most?" We should all agree that that would be pretty cool, on screen and off.

Getting back to Luke, his moment in Ben's tent isn't nearly as sacrilegious as many are making it out to be. Hell it's basically what Yoda and Ben were pretty much advocating in the OT. "Kill an evil family member for the greater good." It's what Ben wanted him to do to Vader when they chatted in ROTJ. And Yoda and Ben urged him to sacrifice Han and Leia in ESB. And if TPM had featured a scene where Qui Gon or Obi-Wan got a future vision of what little Anakin would become, and we as the audience already KNEW it would all come true because we watched the OT, would we think they were losers for being tempted to just off the kid right there? Would it be "right" to do? No, of course not, but it is an interesting dilemma that few films would dare to ask.

And at the end of the day Luke did NOT follow through with harming Ben, and because Luke is Luke the very knowledge that he even considered it haunted him for years. Ballsy, poignant, and tailor made for one hell of a comeback.

Sure he could have been presented like Yoda and Ben were in the OT. Simple supporting badasses with virtually no arcs of their own. And it would have ticked off the box for many simply wishing to see Luke unleash a bunch of badass powers and moves and nothing more. But I'm pretty damn impressed (blown away actually) that Johnson dared to bring such a hero down to the point where he was pretty much lost and begging for help in the snow on Hoth again, hell I'd say he was even brought lower than that. There's a lot of risk in making such an attempt to give such an established character such a full arc again but that was a worthy endeavor and I think that both Johnson and Hamill did a hell of a job in pulling it off.

Khev- you are absolutely RIGHT! Good post!

Yes people HERE at least are going of the deep end way off- almost crazy- great reading though! It doesn't meet their view of what characters should say, do and stories that aren't told in a way they feel comfortable with...

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

It’s in the Gareth Edwards cut of TLJ.

The greys, the vampires...

Sick burn ..

 

[SNIKT1950]

Can little boys like me ever stop liking **** movies? Can I ever enjoy something my Daddy watches? I'm scared. I really liked the little kid with the broom. He's like me.

Well, over time, sure. Even though today's world seems to enjoy crap you can always aspire to transcend. You can be the one person in your group that didn't fall asleep during There Will Be Blood. You can be the person that isn't really looking forward to the next MCU popcorn movie and would rather watch something like The Florida Project. The important thing is that you're being open about your quarrels rather than concealing them. I commend you for that.

 

[ZaCHw117]

he’s talking to himself, he’s gone full redditard

 

[spindrift]

These posts make the JL whining seem so tame and gentle- man oh man! Get your defenses up if you come in here!

 

[Adolfo]

Star Wars is a sugar filled breakfast cereal...like Trix .its for kids

 

[Adolfo]

Lucas>any Disney SW film forever

 

[Darkseed]

Khev- you are absolutely RIGHT! Good post!

Yes people HERE at least are going of the deep end way off- almost crazy- great reading though! It doesn't meet their view of what characters should say, do and stories that aren't told in a way they feel comfortable with...

If people in this forum had the good film sense like Reddit there would be no craziness.

Come on man.....

 

[Uncle Bingo]

I can't take thinking about this movie anymore.

 

[jye4ever]

Hold on let me go tuck my balls up and throw away my confidence and thick skin so that gender politics and women power can ruin movies for me.

 

[Khev]

I go by the name jyelahad may I take a place at your table my Lord

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I’m staying out of most of the arguing back and forth about this film so thank you for making the best post in this thread that basically sums up my feelings about TLJ. As always, a well thought out post that brings up points I didn’t even consider. I’ll gladly support you if you run for office [emoji23]

Khev- you are absolutely RIGHT! Good post!

Yes people HERE at least are going of the deep end way off- almost crazy- great reading though! It doesn't meet their view of what characters should say, do and stories that aren't told in a way they feel comfortable with...

to you both.

I'm sure many here will claim that during their showing of TLJ people were committing Seppuku in their seats and hanging themselves from the balcony but at my sold out 15/70 IMAX showing people laughed, cheered, and gasped at all the right places (myself included), applauded at the end and then applauded again at the Carrie Fisher tribute. A great film enjoyed by many.

And cerealkeller make sure you check it out at the Great Clips IMAX at the Minnesota Zoo if you haven't already! Absolutely spectacular!

 

[Ropen]

Lets just admit 2017 was a bad year for cgi


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[Adolfo]

I didn't hate TLJ. ..I just don't respect it...respect has got to be earned...TFA +TLJ are worse than the other first 6 Lucas films

 

[SNIKT1950]

Lets just admit 2017 was a bad year for cgi


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The CGI for Snoke was great. Too bad Johnson wrecked that character.

 

[jye4ever]

Lets just admit 2017 was a bad year for cgi


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Yeah if you’re called Steppenwolf.

 

[Khev]

Steppenwolf, lol.

Justice League, lol.

TLJ's opening weekend topping the box office for JL's first month, lol.

 

[Adolfo]

Again Hamill was the best part of this film. ..a film that had so much potential. ..but

 

[Adolfo]

Steppenwolf, lol.

Justice League, lol.

TLJ's opening weekend topping the box office for JL's first month, lol.

Ed wood and uwe boll could direct and write star wars and it'll still pack em in...star wars ...the new crack cocaine. ..smoke it and you'll be hooked