Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Craig Walker]

Which also means "Annie Has 2 Moms"

 

[Khev]

So what happened to the Gray Side of the Force? All-knowing reddit got that one wrong too?

 

[Darkseed]

Anyone else not gonna be able to look at garbage the same?

Flying Leia’s, Green Milk Guzzling Luke, Reylo every time I take out the trash.

Can we chose a new word such as filth, junk whatnot.

 

[Spazz]

Which also means "Annie Has 2 Moms"

Who cares?

 

[Craig Walker]

Who cares?

Was just a joke

 

[SNIKT1950]

Who the **** puts stock into anything Reddit?

Lol, I can tell you right now that most Redditors have better taste in films than you do, champ.

You're currently on a message board championing a steaming pile of ****. A movie that is currently the laughing stock of the internet. So yeah, I'll gladly take pride in sharing an opinion with a film community that appreciates great filmmaking and is currently ripping TLJ to shreds.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Lol, I can tell you right now that most Redditors have better taste in films than you do, champ.

You're currently on a message board championing a steaming pile of ****. A movie that is currently the laughing stock of the internet. So yeah, I'll gladly take pride in sharing an opinion with a film community that appreciates great filmmaking and is currently ripping TLJ to shreds.

LMAO no wonder why you hate TLJ. Not enough white-knights and neck-beards. It all makes sense now. Did your precious snoke theory get you lots of internet pointz? is that why you're so upset?

Really, the pinnacle of discussion on reddit? Home of the dickbutt? Yeah, sure.

 

[Spazz]

Was just a joke

I didn't mean that toward you. We're good. But seriously, who cares? They clearly do, right? They're tethering their womanhood to the promotion of the film. Right? Identity politics is explicitly being used as a selling point.

 

[SNIKT1950]

So what happened to the Gray Side of the Force? All-knowing reddit got that one wrong too?

JJ can still explore that. Hopefully he can undo most of the damage Johnson made to the ST.

 

[Ropen]

JJ can still explore that. Hopefully he can undo most of the damage Johnson made to the ST.

There is no comjng back, SW is already ruined


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[jye4ever]

The hysteria over this film is absolutely hilarious.

Rian Johnson said before the movie came out that he wanted to push these characters to their limits after they'd been stripped of nearly every advantage. That's not "agenda pushing" it's simply good drama.

Poe is a weakened male? No he was a cocky pilot that could previously do no wrong until...things started to go wrong. So we got to see how he reacted when the chips were down. When every suggestion and maneuver he made *didn't* save the day. And that allowed him to grow.

Rey was stripped of her hope that the mystery of her parents would in and of itself give her life purpose and a sense of belonging.

And Johnson dared to strip even the great Luke Skywalker of his "legendary" status, to actually give him a real arc and give him an opportunity to prove himself when it wasn't all about him being the Chosen One's son and the galaxy's last hope.

This was not an incoherent film. It was a race against the clock/chase movie (Resistance ship trying to outrun Snoke's fleet) with all the heroes working toward the goal of saving the fleet. Heroes that were brought down to zero and forced to climb up again. A pretty straight forward narrative.

I fail to see how the film's "messages" were overtly left-wing. The evil of what Luke was contemplating against a sleeping Ben Solo should hit WAY closer to home for Pro-Choicers than anyone on the right. Also calling out the evil making deals that fund terrorist organizations. Not exactly a "Pro-Obama" message now is it? So conservatives can just chill out about the messaging. I don't think this film was meant to be partisan anyway. Last I checked animal cruelty isn't a left vs. right issue. Nor is greed, genocide, slavery, etc. So I'm okay if the film's morale is that "bad things are bad," lol.

I don't mind films reflecting current political events if they aren't preaching or lecturing in a divisive way. In that regard Holdo can represent Hillary OR Trump because it presents her as a leader who is not the characters' first choice and one that appears incompetent or even traitorous. But rather than using her to say Hillary = bad or Trump = bad it does what good escapist entertainment should do and says "what if you were wrong about that leader you hate (on either side) and he/she turned out to be surprisingly awesome when it mattered the most?" We should all agree that that would be pretty cool, on screen and off.

Getting back to Luke, his moment in Ben's tent isn't nearly as sacrilegious as many are making it out to be. Hell it's basically what Yoda and Ben were pretty much advocating in the OT. "Kill an evil family member for the greater good." It's what Ben wanted him to do to Vader when they chatted in ROTJ. And Yoda and Ben urged him to sacrifice Han and Leia in ESB. And if TPM had featured a scene where Qui Gon or Obi-Wan got a future vision of what little Anakin would become, and we as the audience already KNEW it would all come true because we watched the OT, would we think they were losers for being tempted to just off the kid right there? Would it be "right" to do? No, of course not, but it is an interesting dilemma that few films would dare to ask.

And at the end of the day Luke did NOT follow through with harming Ben, and because Luke is Luke the very knowledge that he even considered it haunted him for years. Ballsy, poignant, and tailor made for one hell of a comeback.

Sure he could have been presented like Yoda and Ben were in the OT. Simple supporting badasses with virtually no arcs of their own. And it would have ticked off the box for many simply wishing to see Luke unleash a bunch of badass powers and moves and nothing more. But I'm pretty damn impressed (blown away actually) that Johnson dared to bring such a hero down to the point where he was pretty much lost and begging for help in the snow on Hoth again, hell I'd say he was even brought lower than that. There's a lot of risk in making such an attempt to give such an established character such a full arc again but that was a worthy endeavor and I think that both Johnson and Hamill did a hell of a job in pulling it off.

I go by the name jyelahad may I take a place at your table my Lord

 

[ZaCHw117]

JJ can still explore that. Hopefully he can undo most of the damage Johnson made to the ST.

HE'S STILL AT IT BOIS. HE REALLY THINKS VAMP SNOKE AND G(r)AY JEDIS ARE THE TRUE PATH FOR STAR WARS. LMAO

dickbutt aproves STINK's messages.

 

[Craig Walker]

They're tethering their womanhood to the promotion of the film. Right? Identity politics is explicitly being used as a selling point.

Yep.

Men have to be led by the women. Men are stupid, and impulsive, and screw things up. (get people killed, literally). Shoot them if you have to.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I'm 12-years-old and like **** movies. What's wrong with that?

Nothing. You're entitled to your opinion, son.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Nothing. You're entitled to your opinion, son.

Are you sure you didn't like it because there was a group of ghetto *** bois enjoying in front of you? Did you beat them up?

I really can't take you seriously. It's just nothing but ****post after ****post with you.

Go back to reddit, son.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I will never ever gonna be able to watch mary poppins without both cringing and laughing

Sadly it's forever engrained in my being. A character I loved reduced to such asinine bull****.

I was actually excited for Leia in this film. Her moment with Kylo in the trailer was very compelling.

 

[Snake Plissken]

HE'S STILL AT IT BOIS. HE REALLY THINKS VAMP SNOKE AND G(r)AY JEDIS ARE THE TRUE PATH FOR STAR WARS. LMAO

dickbutt aproves STINK's messages.

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[morphosis]

Star Wars is definitely liberal in the classical sense. Lucas was opposed to the Vietnam War, as were most people. However, Star Wars wasn't an implicit advocacy of Hippy Idealism. In fact, Lucas was criticized by idealistic Baby Boomers in a way that sounds identical to SJW identity politics. For an example of hippy bs, here's what Carl Sagan had to say about Star Wars:



Hippies and Millenials: We want equality within the system!
Generation X: Destroy the system.

First, i'm probably going to disagree with you for bringing up SJW identity politics as a negative thing. I mean if you don't believe in social justice or equality, then thats your problem. This label of "SJW" as a negative thing just seems so out of whack to me. Same with people who are against feminism.

If anything, Sagan sounds like the people today arguing about TLJ where they don't see things as plausible. He was commenting about the plausibility of Star Wars and wishes they used more of factual science as well as showing more people of different races if your going to use humans. And I agree to that because humans are more than just white people. So as each Star Wars film progressed they got more diverse with gender and race and thats a good thing. I mean 50% of the population on earth is female. And by the time we get to TLJ we actually see that kind of representation, and thats a good thing for everyone.

But Sagan talking about the science and plausibility. Johnny Carson is like "You're dissecting this scientifically Carl, you're taking the fun out of it", and thats what I feel the haters are doing, they are taking the fun out for "themselves" by dissecting the movie to death.

 

[YoNoSe]

So what happened to the Gray Side of the Force? All-knowing reddit got that one wrong too?

It’s in the Gareth Edwards cut of TLJ.

The greys, the vampires...

 

[ZaCHw117]

Sadly it's forever engrained in my being. A character I loved reduced to such asinine bull****.

Thank god it didn't turn out your way, and thank god you have no idea what makes a decent movie. otherwise, I wouldn't be having so much fun watching you lose your ****.