Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[matturibe1]

All this talk of pussification and feminism...

Love it, lol worst movie ever by far!!!

 

[Sevreed]

https://movieweb.com/last-jedi-force-ghosts-yoda-explained/
Good lord, doesn't Rian even realize how his changes made his movie, just by itself, make no sense? Much less all of the movies that came before.

Fine, so in episode nine The First Order will build a weapon that can destroy entire Star Systems (The System Slayer!!) with one shot. They will use it to destroy the Star System that the Ewoks come from BUT, BUT Rey will sense this while she is eating lunch with Luke and Darth Bane almost a galaxy away who are having a fight about the weather and if it should be snowing or sunny on the planet they are on. They are kinda like Heat Miser and Cold Miser now. Anyway, Rey will then warp into the past (using The Force of course) and while standing on the tallest tree on the Endor Moon she will turn back the System Slayer death ray (which is 3000 earths wide) with her super saiyan force powers and make it turn back on the new order destroying them all in one massive stroke. Then she will warp back to Luke and Bane to finish her lunch but will see that they have destroyed the planet they were on using their force weather powers. After gently chastising them both, she will just turn back time like in Superman by Force flying around that planet clockwise really fast and make everything better. Fini!!!! Rey is the new Pheonix!! Who do I send my script to?

 

[matturibe1]

I think my problem is it doesn't respect its predecessor; it's like a standalone. The middle part of a trilogy has a responsibility to the previous and the next instalment.

Absolutely, every disney star wars are my lowest scores. I loved Empire and ROTS I love dark bad *** films of evil and battles and sick *** light saber skills, none of disney did that to star wars. They ruined my child hood love!!! F U Disney!!!

 

[xipotec]

I love dark bad *** films of evil and battles and sick *** light saber skills,!!!

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[jye4ever]

 

[rushmore223]

The hysteria over this film is absolutely hilarious.

Rian Johnson said before the movie came out that he wanted to push these characters to their limits after they'd been stripped of nearly every advantage. That's not "agenda pushing" it's simply good drama.

Poe is a weakened male? No he was a cocky pilot that could previously do no wrong until...things started to go wrong. So we got to see how he reacted when the chips were down. When every suggestion and maneuver he made *didn't* save the day. And that allowed him to grow.

Rey was stripped of her hope that the mystery of her parents would in and of itself give her life purpose and a sense of belonging.

And Johnson dared to strip even the great Luke Skywalker of his "legendary" status, to actually give him a real arc and give him an opportunity to prove himself when it wasn't all about him being the Chosen One's son and the galaxy's last hope.

This was not an incoherent film. It was a race against the clock/chase movie (Resistance ship trying to outrun Snoke's fleet) with all the heroes working toward the goal of saving the fleet. Heroes that were brought down to zero and forced to climb up again. A pretty straight forward narrative.

I fail to see how the film's "messages" were overtly left-wing. The evil of what Luke was contemplating against a sleeping Ben Solo should hit WAY closer to home for Pro-Choicers than anyone on the right. Also calling out the evil of making deals that fund terrorist organizations. Not exactly a "Pro-Obama" message now is it? So conservatives can just chill out about the messaging. I don't think this film was meant to be partisan anyway. Last I checked animal cruelty isn't a left vs. right issue. Nor is greed, genocide, slavery, etc. So I'm okay if the film's morale is that "bad things are bad," lol.

I don't mind films reflecting current political events if they aren't preaching or lecturing in a divisive way. In that regard Holdo can represent Hillary OR Trump because it presents her as a leader who is not the characters' first choice and one that appears incompetent or even traitorous. But rather than using her to say Hillary = bad or Trump = bad it does what good escapist entertainment should do and says "what if you were wrong about that leader you hate (on either side) and he/she turned out to be surprisingly awesome when it mattered the most?" We should all agree that that would be pretty cool, on screen and off.

Getting back to Luke, his moment in Ben's tent isn't nearly as sacrilegious as many are making it out to be. Hell it's basically what Yoda and Ben were pretty much advocating in the OT. "Kill an evil family member for the greater good." It's what Ben wanted him to do to Vader when they chatted in ROTJ. And Yoda and Ben urged him to sacrifice Han and Leia in ESB. And if TPM had featured a scene where Qui Gon or Obi-Wan got a future vision of what little Anakin would become, and we as the audience already KNEW it would all come true because we watched the OT, would we think they were losers for being tempted to just off the kid right there? Would it be "right" to do? No, of course not, but it is an interesting dilemma that few films would dare to ask.

And at the end of the day Luke did NOT follow through with harming Ben, and because Luke is Luke the very knowledge that he even considered it haunted him for years. Ballsy, poignant, and tailor made for one hell of a comeback.

Sure he could have been presented like Yoda and Ben were in the OT. Simple supporting badasses with virtually no arcs of their own. And it would have ticked off the box for many simply wishing to see Luke unleash a bunch of badass powers and moves and nothing more. But I'm pretty damn impressed (blown away actually) that Johnson dared to bring such a hero down to the point where he was pretty much lost and begging for help in the snow on Hoth again, hell I'd say he was even brought lower than that. There's a lot of risk in making such an attempt to give such an established character such a full arc again but that was a worthy endeavor and I think that both Johnson and Hamill did a hell of a job in pulling it off.

Well said!

You not only put much of what I was thinking into words, but managed to clearly and concisely go a few steps beyond.

 

[Shawpaw]

https://movieweb.com/last-jedi-force-ghosts-yoda-explained/
Good lord, doesn't Rian even realize how his changes made his movie, just by itself, make no sense? Much less all of the movies that came before.

Fine, so in episode nine The First Order will build a weapon that can destroy entire Star Systems (The System Slayer!!) with one shot. They will use it to destroy the Star System that the Ewoks come from BUT, BUT Rey will sense this while she is eating lunch with Luke and Darth Bane almost a galaxy away who are having a fight about the weather and if it should be snowing or sunny on the planet they are on. They are kinda like Heat Miser and Cold Miser now. Anyway, Rey will then warp into the past (using The Force of course) and while standing on the tallest tree on the Endor Moon she will turn back the System Slayer death ray (which is 3000 earths wide) with her super saiyan force powers and make it turn back on the new order destroying them all in one massive stroke. Then she will warp back to Luke and Bane to finish her lunch but will see that they have destroyed the planet they were on using their force weather powers. After gently chastising them both, she will just turn back time like in Superman by Force flying around that planet clockwise really fast and make everything better. Fini!!!! Rey is the new Pheonix!! Who do I send my script to?

SUPERB!!!! YASSS

 

[matturibe1]

Khev- you are absolutely RIGHT! Good post!

Yes people HERE at least are going of the deep end way off- almost crazy- great reading though! It doesn't meet their view of what characters should say, do and stories that aren't told in a way they feel comfortable with...

I don't want to argue with anyone but this was by far the worst movie I ever saw, even makes tfa that much worse. You are entitled to your opinion and great. But I hated this movie and I grew up with the originals and loved Lucas star wars even Phantom menace. I will take phantom over these new ones any day of the week. You pple who stick up for the director or writer is awful he made some horrible decisions. I hate boring movies, every part of ROTS I was on the edge of my seat with power darkness saber skills and I felt like I was transformed into the universe, yes some cheesy dialogue but all the films had some parts of that. But in these Disney ones, they swing the saber like a bat. No power nothing but yet they can defeat the dark side. Anyone now can be a Jedi ****ing horrible decision on whom ever made that decision to do that. Phasma was a joke, everything in tlj went the rebels way they couldn't lose its just bad writing. All of lucas films I felt transformed into the universe these past Disney movies i sat their and almost fell asleep or laughed at the scenes. I thank you Lucas and I curse you Disney!!!

 

[jye4ever]

I’ll take Kylo/Rey vs Red Guards any day over Anakin riding a lava bot in a battle that went on 10 minutes too long and that had a twirling lightsaber duel.

Lets not forget leaping Yoda on crack.

 

[rushmore223]

I’ll take Kylo/Rey vs Red Guards any day over Anakin riding a lava bot in a battle that went on 10 minutes too long and that had a twirling lightsaber duel.

Lets not forget leaping Yoda on crack.

Let's not forget Anakin riding some kind of inflated cow in AOTC.... Pure Gold!

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I’ll take Kylo/Rey vs Red Guards any day over Anakin riding a lava bot in a battle that went on 10 minutes too long and that had a twirling lightsaber duel.

Lets not forget leaping Yoda on crack.

At least you had two formidable opponents facing off with each other in the Obi/Anakin battle. The rey kylo/red guard battle was not a fair fight to begin with and it also looked like a choreographed dance routine just without twirling lightsabers. If they had twirling lightsabers it would have been better since it would have been a fair fight, but this one was over before it started. They also made Kylo look weaker than he did in force awakens.. He couldn’t best an untrained rey with a saber in TFA nor could he beat Snokes red lackey’s with his far superior weaponry (lightsaber>then weapons from Middle Ages). He also needed Rey to save him, yet we are supposed to believe he is a valid threat in the next film even though it’s been shown that rey is more powerful than he is. Like really what is there to look forward too now. Kylo facing rey and losing again in ep9… I cannot wait to pay money to see what I already know is going to happen

 

[spindrift]

Lets just admit 2017 was a bad year for cgi


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Parts of TLJ were sloppy bad CGI- the pilots in the cockpit shots melded with the ships were jarring- Finn and Rose obviously CGI on obvious CGI creatures- hardly better than anything done in the PT.
However the space stuff and all else was stunning

 

[rushmore223]

They just need time to get over the shock, eventually they will come to appreciate what they saw.

 

[spindrift]

I thought the shock and odd story arcs that overturned alot what was expected were the great parts of TLJ- it sure didn't play out at all like a Disney SW safe family fun film most wanted(secretly)

 

[Prime Clone]

As I was watching TLJ I felt it was so different and exciting that it was up there with Empire. Only trouble was, it didn't feel very Star Wars.

It's one thing to reinvent Star Wars, but you have to keep the essence of what makes it that.

 

[jye4ever]

Let's not forget Anakin riding some kind of inflated cow in AOTC.... Pure Gold!

While I love Ben Burts sound design during the Jango vs ObiWan flight battle in AOTC with the seismic charges i’m watching that scene right now with my son and what a freaking linear bore when compared to the space battles in RO and TLJ.

 

[Adolfo]

as i was watching tlj i felt it was so different and exciting that it was up there with empire. Only trouble was, it didn't feel very star wars.

It's one thing to reinvent star wars, but you have to keep the essence of what makes it that.

excellent remark...TLJ felt like another franchise, not star wars

 

[Adolfo]

HBOTFA > TLJ

 

[Adolfo]

While I love Ben Burts sound design during the Jango vs ObiWan flight battle in AOTC with the seismic charges i’m watching that scene right now with my son and what a freaking linear bore when compared to the space battles in RO and TLJ.

You lie....like a dirty carpet

 

[jye4ever]

As I was watching TLJ I felt it was so different and exciting that it was up there with Empire. Only trouble was, it didn't feel very Star Wars.

It's one thing to reinvent Star Wars, but you have to keep the essence of what makes it that.

See for me it was very SW as was TFA.

TFA and TLJ brought back SW for me from the non SW feeling in the PT.

Over the years i’ve really grown to enjoy ROTS quite a bit when I used to really dislike it as much as TPM/AOTC so I do appreciate the darkness in that movie BUT the new Disney movies feel like real films for me.

Just go watch the cgi of Mace Windu on Geonosis running with the troopers so freaking bad.