Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Chakor]

I think Grace needs a thread. Would you support a Grace thread? Daily videos of her reviewing and talking about movies.

 

[jye4ever]

I’m actually quite surprised that TLJ isn’t tracking farther back than it is from TFA going on its 7th day.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Big Mac is the only thing worth getting at mcdonalds

I like the Mcgriddle.

You're just tryin' to avoid the topic of racism, aren't ya?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Is that commercial racist? I didn't see it.

 

[Lakhota]

I thought maybe this was a huge ruse Johnson brilliantly orchestrated at first to create thought provoking ideas. After I read he wrote and directed I realized he just made the **** up as he went. Disney’s books, cartoons, comics and merchandise has been spot on since purchasing LucasArts how in the **** did this screenplay get green lit ? I am in absolute shock at how terrible it really was.....


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[Khev]

It could be waaay worse tho. Let's be thankful that Felicity Jones wasn't in it.

Alas no flying Space Jyn for me.

I honestly don't believe for a second that he liked it. There's more to his alleged opinions of TLJ.

It must kill you that I am one of BR 2049's biggest fans and that I also rated A Ghost Story and Dunkirk WAAAY higher than all the disposable cbm junk we got this year. And even though I'm looking forward to Infinity War my next most anticipated cbm is New Mutants. So you'll just have to accept:

1. That I also see genius in TLJ

and

2. The fact that my opinion is actually much more credible than the majority of the "#metoo" drones who are hating on this flick.

I'm thankful she didn't expose herself to the trauma of being involved in TLJ.


It's not the kind of exposure she's used to.

Chalet Girl! A charming little sports comedy.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Disney’s books, cartoons, comics and merchandise has been spot on since purchasing LucasArts how in the **** did this screenplay get green lit ? I am in absolute shock at how terrible it really was.....

I read somewhere...maybe it was here, that some moments in TLJ don't fit with the current expanded canon from the novels and comics.

 

[spindrift]

I'm thankful she didn't expose herself to the trauma of being involved in TLJ.


It's not the kind of exposure she's used to.

Now Khev can't think- he's bothered now

 

[Darkseed]

he has to tell people and himself that TLJ is only a movie, to not get upset over it

Clearly a lesson to be learned by many.

Hamill get’s a break for being upset because that’s his livelihood / job. Everyone else whining about the handling of a fictional character in a movie speaks volumes about many things......

 

[spindrift]

Clearly a lesson to be learned by many.

Hamill get’s a break for being upset because that’s his livelihood / job. Everyone else whining about the handling of a fictional character in a movie speaks volumes about many things......

 

[Asta]

Chalet Girl! A charming little sports comedy.

It's another case of a split decision on RT, but I'm siding with the critics this time:

But that scoring doesn't seem to make sense. 79%, yet average is 5.8/10.

 

[crows]

I guess it’s not entirely wrong either because if CS asked Wor-Gar and JAWS what they thought they would’ve not given it an A.

That being said this is where the corrupt part comes in.

CS just as easily doesn’t use their negative score and simply jumps to the next positive score.

Disney monies yo.

Is not a matter of wrong, but biased

 

[Khev]

Now Khev can't think- he's bothered now

I'd love to be able to sit down and chat with Hamill about TLJ. I'm absolutely convinced that his upset is not rooted in his love for the character but rather his desire to not disappoint the "fans." I could easily set him straight as to just how awesome and worthy a sendoff TLJ gave to his character.

 

[Khev]

It's another case of a split decision on RT, but I'm siding with the critics this time:

See? SEE???? Audience scores on RT are rubbish.

 

[TaliBane]

Yes. So let's take an up-close look at what makes up that often-cited Rotten Tomatoes "Fresh" rating:

"TOP CRITICS" REVIEW CLASSIFIED AS "FRESH" #1: Variety

What the CLEARLY NEGATIVE review ACTUALLY said:

Headline: "As the fate of the Jedi religion hangs in the balance, one begins to detect a certain unwillingness to stray too far from the official text in the latest 'Star Wars' sequel."

"Johnson’s effort is ultimately a disappointment. If anything, it demonstrates just how effective supervising producer Kathleen Kennedy and the forces that oversee this now Disney-owned property are at molding their individual directors’ visions into supporting a unified corporate aesthetic — a process that chewed up and spat out helmers such as Colin Trevorrow, Gareth Edwards, Phil Lord and Christopher Miller. But Johnson was either strong enough or weak enough to adapt to such pressures, and the result is the longest and least essential chapter in the series."

"It’s as if Johnson’s assignment was to extend the franchise without changing anything fundamental, which is closer to the way classic television and vintage James Bond movies operate than anything George Lucas ever served up. Say what you will about Lucas’ clunky, uneven prequels, but they covered a ton of story ground. By contrast, “The Last Jedi” opens and closes with scenes of Resistance bases under siege, in between which the movie’s central concern is the dwindling fuel level on a carrier ship under slow-motion pursuit by Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis, who for the first time in his career probably would have been just as effective playing the character without the benefit of motion capture). Even more than last summer’s “Dunkirk,” this movie is about the honor and sacrifice of a successful retreat, which isn’t nearly as dramatic as an underdog offensive."

"The mission here is merely survival, although the tension would be greater if Snoke were doing something other than space-tailgating the Resistance for most of the movie, picking off their smaller ships as they run out of fuel. Now we see him “in the flesh” (technically CG), and he’s repulsive to look at — like accidentally walking in on one of your grandparents au naturel — but not especially fear-inducing, in part because we learn so little about him or his powers."

"Here, the laughs feel forced — as does the appearance of cuddly critters on each new planet. But do audiences have bladders big enough to sit through a talky two-and-a-half-hour tug-of-war between the light and dark sides of the Force?"


"TOP CRITICS" REVIEW CLASSIFIED AS "FRESH" #2: CNN

What the CLEARLY NEGATIVE review ACTUALLY said:

Headline: "'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' falls short of sky-high hopes"

"If expectations for "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" were inordinately (and perhaps unfairly) high, thank "The Force Awakens," which had a huge donut hole in the shape of Luke Skywalker at its center. Yet even with Luke integrated into the story, the film feels like a significant letdown, one that does far less than its predecessor to stoke enthusiasm for the next leg in the trilogy."

"Running more than 2 ½ hours, the eighth "Star Wars" movie built around the Skywalker clan is the longest under that banner and showcases an abundance of action. But despite the enormous scope and visual spectacle, too many key components of the film -- including those that have kept die-hard fans guessing and debating -- prove unsatisfying."

"The eagerly awaited arrival of Luke (Mark Hamill) -- with his promised tutelage of Rey (Daisy Ridley), and past role in the dark descent of Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) -- doesn't ignite as anticipated. While "Force Awakens" did an admirable job of engineering a baton pass by establishing the new cast (the other key members being John Boyega as Finn and Oscar Isaac as Poe), "Last Jedi" bogs down in the middle and, the cooler parts notwithstanding, doesn't rally enough at the finish to offset that."

""The Last Jedi" feels like less than the sum of its parts. The flaws also invite second-guessing about Lucasfilm's pre-release vote of confidence by anointing Johnson as the force behind a separate trilogy set in that far-away galaxy."

"In crass commercial terms, no clairvoyance is necessary to predict that "The Last Jedi" will be a huge hit, blunting any criticism. Yet if "The Empire Strikes Back" stands as the defining chapter in the "Star Wars" saga, as second movies go, "Last Jedi" ranks closer to the "Attack of the Clones" end of the gene pool."




"A DISAPPOINTMENT"? "A SIGNIFICANT LETDOWN"?


WHY ARE THESE CLEARLY NEGATIVE REVIEWS CLASSIFIED AS "FRESH"?

 

[crows]

Yes. So let's take an up-close look at what makes up that often-cited Rotten Tomatoes "Fresh" rating:

"TOP CRITICS" REVIEW CLASSIFIED AS "FRESH" #1: Variety

What the CLEARLY NEGATIVE review ACTUALLY said:

Headline: "As the fate of the Jedi religion hangs in the balance, one begins to detect a certain unwillingness to stray too far from the official text in the latest 'Star Wars' sequel."

"Johnson’s effort is ultimately a disappointment. If anything, it demonstrates just how effective supervising producer Kathleen Kennedy and the forces that oversee this now Disney-owned property are at molding their individual directors’ visions into supporting a unified corporate aesthetic — a process that chewed up and spat out helmers such as Colin Trevorrow, Gareth Edwards, Phil Lord and Christopher Miller. But Johnson was either strong enough or weak enough to adapt to such pressures, and the result is the longest and least essential chapter in the series."

"It’s as if Johnson’s assignment was to extend the franchise without changing anything fundamental, which is closer to the way classic television and vintage James Bond movies operate than anything George Lucas ever served up. Say what you will about Lucas’ clunky, uneven prequels, but they covered a ton of story ground. By contrast, “The Last Jedi” opens and closes with scenes of Resistance bases under siege, in between which the movie’s central concern is the dwindling fuel level on a carrier ship under slow-motion pursuit by Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis, who for the first time in his career probably would have been just as effective playing the character without the benefit of motion capture). Even more than last summer’s “Dunkirk,” this movie is about the honor and sacrifice of a successful retreat, which isn’t nearly as dramatic as an underdog offensive."

"The mission here is merely survival, although the tension would be greater if Snoke were doing something other than space-tailgating the Resistance for most of the movie, picking off their smaller ships as they run out of fuel. Now we see him “in the flesh” (technically CG), and he’s repulsive to look at — like accidentally walking in on one of your grandparents au naturel — but not especially fear-inducing, in part because we learn so little about him or his powers."

"Here, the laughs feel forced — as does the appearance of cuddly critters on each new planet. But do audiences have bladders big enough to sit through a talky two-and-a-half-hour tug-of-war between the light and dark sides of the Force?"


"TOP CRITICS" REVIEW CLASSIFIED AS "FRESH" #2: CNN

What the CLEARLY NEGATIVE review ACTUALLY said:

Headline: "'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' falls short of sky-high hopes"

"If expectations for "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" were inordinately (and perhaps unfairly) high, thank "The Force Awakens," which had a huge donut hole in the shape of Luke Skywalker at its center. Yet even with Luke integrated into the story, the film feels like a significant letdown, one that does far less than its predecessor to stoke enthusiasm for the next leg in the trilogy."

"Running more than 2 ½ hours, the eighth "Star Wars" movie built around the Skywalker clan is the longest under that banner and showcases an abundance of action. But despite the enormous scope and visual spectacle, too many key components of the film -- including those that have kept die-hard fans guessing and debating -- prove unsatisfying."

"The eagerly awaited arrival of Luke (Mark Hamill) -- with his promised tutelage of Rey (Daisy Ridley), and past role in the dark descent of Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) -- doesn't ignite as anticipated. While "Force Awakens" did an admirable job of engineering a baton pass by establishing the new cast (the other key members being John Boyega as Finn and Oscar Isaac as Poe), "Last Jedi" bogs down in the middle and, the cooler parts notwithstanding, doesn't rally enough at the finish to offset that."

""The Last Jedi" feels like less than the sum of its parts. The flaws also invite second-guessing about Lucasfilm's pre-release vote of confidence by anointing Johnson as the force behind a separate trilogy set in that far-away galaxy."

"In crass commercial terms, no clairvoyance is necessary to predict that "The Last Jedi" will be a huge hit, blunting any criticism. Yet if "The Empire Strikes Back" stands as the defining chapter in the "Star Wars" saga, as second movies go, "Last Jedi" ranks closer to the "Attack of the Clones" end of the gene pool."

You are doing god's work brother

 

[Lakhota]

I know it seem redundant a lot of us complaining about TLJ but this is the biggest movie franchise in cinema history. We all expected more and something that resembled Star Wars. I understand Johnson thought he was groundbreaking by distorting the Star Wars recipe but at the end of the day we wanted something resembled the Galaxy we fell in love with.


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[Asta]

See? SEE???? Audience scores on RT are rubbish.

But as I added, how do they get 79% when the average is 5.8/10?

What sorcery is this?

I think the TLJ average was 8.1/10 with a 93% rating.

 

[Khev]

But as I added, how do they get 79% when the average is 5.8/10?

What sorcery is this?

Yep, it's all a bunch of simple tricks and nonsense.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I know it seem redundant a lot of us complaining about TLJ but this is the biggest movie franchise in cinema history. We all expected more and something that resembled Star Wars. I understand Johnson thought he was groundbreaking by distorting the Star Wars recipe but at the end of the day we wanted something resembled the Galaxy we fell in love with.


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- Lightsabers
- Luke
- Leia
- A wings
- Falcon
- New planets
- New creatures
- The Force is back to the OT way of things
- Chewy
- Massive Walkers
- JW Score

And that's just off the top of my head for things in this that feel exactly like SW, because it is.

 

[Asta]

Yep, it's all a bunch of simple tricks and nonsense.

Which is becoming evident with those reviews miscounted as positive.


But audience scoring is unreliable as well. After all I gave it 1/10. Porgs should've added at least another 4.