Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Otomofan]

This woman's ridiculous beak not only took me out of the movie but pushed my head into the back wall of the theater.



Look how artfully and carefully Rian Johnson lit her enormous shnozz in tasteful silhouette as a metaphor for the delicate balance of the Force...the dark and the light.

Immediately after viewing dailies of this shot it was reported that Johnson went back to his trailer where he wafted his own farts up to his nose for 45 minutes, telling himself what a genius auteur he was.

 

[MaulFan]

I have no issue with diversity in these new films, if that's where the "change the world's thinking" from Disney ended, it would be just enough to make a point and maybe spark some conversation and thought, but when they go so far as to add in dialogue to really push the issue, that's where it crosses a line from art/film into propoganda, it feels like Disney corporate is like "everyone will love everyone and we will not stop until they do" and it's no different than when extremists try to force religious beliefs on people or any other situation where views are forced upon people, it's off-putting and more likely to drive people away cuz they're tired of hearing it than it's worth for the other elements.

If this new trilogy featured female heroes and a variety of races in roles where the OT and PT lacked diversity, I doubt anyone would really care so long as a quality story was told and delivered, but they had to push it too far and it's not working for many.

I feel like some of the Marvel movies get a little heavy handed with pushing some themes at times, but luckily the overall product still entertains me enough to live with it because the rest is worth too much to me to let a small thing keep me away.

 

[klwn]

Immediately after viewing dailies of this shot it was reported that Johnson went back to his trailer where he wafted his own farts up to his nose for 45 minutes, telling himself what a genius auteur he was.

My mind went straight to that South Park episode where Kyle's family moves to San Francisco.

God I ****ing hate Rian Johnson.

If this new trilogy featured female heroes and a variety of races in roles where the OT and PT lacked diversity, I doubt anyone would really care so long as a quality story was told and delivered, but they had to push it too far and it's not working for many.

Of course. People are picking this movie apart on every level because it sucks. Diversity is great (especially in movies taking place in a whole galaxy), just make a great movie you idiots.

 

[jye4ever]

I like to think I have some rich historical cinematic imagination to pull from because for me her nose clearly reminded me of the villain child catcher
from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang that scared the crap out of me as a child




Rian should’ve made her a villain Sith witch to scare all the kids lol

 

[RIDDICK]

Diversity is great...

When it's not forced down your throat or hammered into your head.
Modern feminism is an unfunny joke. SJ mentality is a disease.

 

[klwn]

When it's not forced down your throat or hammered into your head.

Of course, but people see it like that because it's poorly used in a poorly made movie.
Diversity is not new to Star Wars. I have never seen someone complain about Lucas making the second most powerful Jedi of the Order (Mace Windu) black for example. However I have seen plenty of people complain about how Finn sucks in TLJ and his arc is wasted. People just want good characters and stories.

 

[RIDDICK]

Of course, but people see it like that because it's poorly used in a poorly made movie.

It's pretty damn obvious that these movies are written to serve crappy forced narratives and themes.

 

[murdomac]

My take on where TLJ might have gone with Luke. We would need some backstory. First to Kylos training showing a rather impatient Luke almost losing it from time to time, leading up to the mind rape and almost execution of his nephew.

This might need some explaining, i'm thinking Luke was never a total Jedi he went back to Yoda to finish his training, Yoda who was nearly dead told him he didn't need any more training all he had to do was to face (i.e. Kill) Vader again.

This suggest to me that he wasn't really fully trained and there were gaps in his knowledge of the force and he was still susceptible to the dark side plus he certainly wasn't trained as a teacher.

Some evidence of this might be, in ROTJ while in the throne room the Emperor says to Luke ' take your weapon, strike me down I am unarmed and your journey to the dark side will be complete' which is exactly what Luke try s to do and is only unsuccessful because Vader stops him, then as the fight progresses and Vader mentions 'Sister' Luke loses it and lets the dark side take over and it's his use of the dark side that lets him defeat Vader at the last minute he backs off but to me he's very close to the dark side.

Back to TLJ, when Luke is mind raping Kylo he sees not Kylos darkness but his own and realises that its his closeness to the dark side that is actually to blame for the way his students are turning out because his teachings are flawed and it is actually he that destroys the temple and its his fear that he could be seduced by the dark side that makes him flee in search of the lost Jedi temple so he can study the ancient texts and regain his grip on the force and return to the light. This also gives him reasons to avoid Leia, afraid she will sense the darkness in him and Han because of the guilt that he may be responsible for Kylo embracing the dark side.

I'd dump the map idea and instead have just clues to the whereabouts of the lost Jedi temple as finding the temple means finding Luke.

So when Rey tracks him down he's doing his thing, obviously he's to scared to train her, refuses to come to help (but won't say why), she persuade him to open himself to the force we get the 'this isn't going to end the way you think line' she trains herself using the Jedi texts, then steals them and fly s of in the falcon, he broods, burns down the tree, raises the x wing and follows (we all assume he's decided to help)

Cut to Snokes ship, Rey arrives gets interrogated, Luke arrives and is seen cutting his way to the throne room 'a la Vader from the RO corridor scene' cut to Leia, Poe and Finn, Leia saying 'No No we must get to Luke, he needs me' cue them arriving on snokes ship Poe and Finn head of to the reactor room to 'blow the ship' (or some such thing) where they can have a nice encounter with Phasma.

Cut to throne room, epic battle between Snoke and Luke/ Kylo and Rey Leia arrives as Luke is just about to win shouting 'Luke don't don't' (we are all wondering WTF he's going to win shut up) Luke then plunges his robot hand into Snokes chest and pulls his still beating heart out off his chest then as the almost lifeless Snoke drops to the floor he decapitates him with one lightsaber blow.

Cue a massive force shock wave emanating from Luke knocking everyone over, Leia screaming 'No please no' ship starts to blow, Rey goes to Leia 'What's wrong Snokes dead', happy happy, then Leia explains that Luke had been goaded by Snoke and had taped into the dark side to defeat him and that snoke was a being of immense dark force power and as Luke killed him while under the influence of the dark side it allowed snoke to transfer his conciseness to Lukes body and take over (i.e. snoke is now in Luke).

Luke turns to Kylo, evil red eye, 'rise my apprentice and kill these intruders' or'come sister join me and we can rule the galaxy together as our father would have wanted' cue Poe and Finn entering and everyone makes their escape.

 

[MaulFan]

There's a clear trend in every trilogy.

PT - Lucas' main agenda was take advantage of modern CGI to show off the other worlds his imagination could conceive, however, in doing so, storytelling suffered because it wasn't priority.

OT - Lucas' main agenda was to tell stories the likes of those he grew up on. He pushed the limits of technology at the time to help tell his stories, but because technology was limited, storytelling was the focus.

ST - LFL's main agenda is to guide the thoughts and morals of everyone seeing the movies and is so focused on making that message clear that story telling is negelected.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those who think the OT is the only Star Wars and everything outside those 3 films is crap, even those films have their issues, but, I think that their strengths over the other films lies in where the production team's priority lay, and it's been the poor choices of priorities in the subsequent films which have led to their greatest weaknesses.

 

[klwn]

ST - LFL's main agenda is to guide the thoughts and morals of everyone seeing the movies and is so focused on making that message clear that story telling is neglected.

Yes, this guy nails it:



It's message over story/lore/respect of the universe. And that's largely what made this movie feel so unlike Star Wars.

 

[loki2371]

This one took me out of it because I initially thought it was a Lena Dunham cameo...

lol..... You do know that's Billie Lourd, Carrie Fisher's daughter? Although maybe a little too much in the forefront, I felt it was a nice homage to her mother.

I agree with pretty much everyone in here and all the reasons why this sucks so bad... And as I've said before, I feel it's the worst of ALL the movies, including ALL 3 prequels. The acting and dialogue may have been bad in the PT, but there was a story, plot and pacing that didn't take you out of the movie, cause any confusion, or make you want to scream WTF at the screen (not even the Jar Jar humor or the midichlorians)....

People who defend this just can't wrap their heads around the fact that it's a BAD movie, regardless whether it was Star Wars, Harry Potter, or part of any other scifi franchise. And some arguments/defense make no sense.

 

[The Buffinator]

It actually didn't really feel like that though - and this was my problem with TFA from day one. I couldn't understand how the remnant of the old Empire was militarily more powerful than the Empire had been at its peak, and why the good guys were seemingly still so limited as to be called the Resistance. WTF. So what exactly was achieved in ROTJ? Was there no lasting victory there at all?

That didn't bother me at all. The "remnant of the old Empire" had over 30 years to rebuild its military power. So the victory achieved in ROTJ can still be viewed as lasting, just not ETERNAL.

 

[YoNoSe]

CNN is reporting that the word Agenda died early this morning of exhaustion.

 

[Neal136]

Paired off with Rey? They'd better have him get his buddy Finn's blessing first, regardless of whether it's his or Rey's idea. Poe knows Finn has feelings for her. With his being a fighter pilot, he more than anyone should know the importance of being a good wing man.

Yup. It's all easy to see if you watch the last scene in the Falcon again. We already know that Rose cares about Finn. Poe and Rey's introduction shows a mutual attraction. When Finn is tending to Rose, Rey is paying attention and realizes that Finn cares for her as well. Now, JJ may come in and say "**** that noise!" and all of that will change, but that's how things were left at the end of the movie.

 

[MaulFan]

Yes, this guy nails it:



It's message over story/lore/respect of the universe. And that's largely what made this movie feel so unlike Star Wars.

Pretty much, and likely why RJ was hired for a whole trilogy before this even hit the box office, I think those with an agenda behind these films feel that they can use him or he's in agreement with it so he's become their go-to, considering that Ep 9 is only at story pitch and not even script, I wouldn't be shocked if given the chance, JJ gets fired and replaced by Rian.

I do forsee a less predictable reception to Episode 9 now for a number of factors.

- Luke Skywalker may be gone forever, yes a Jedi is not gone just because they physically die, but they may very well not bring him as a Force ghost.
- Carrie Fisher is dead and Leia will never be back.
- Storytelling is being neglected for agenda pushing.
- Every interesting character plot that started in TFA has been close or left feeling like there's nothing worth coming back to learn about in the next installment.
- Marketing would have to give away the entire story to give potential audience any compelling reason to want to see the movie because I think TLJ has squashed
the market value of the brand a bit, just like when a really successful actor does a flop film and suddenly people won't go to any movie just cuz so and so is in it,
this movie has affected the "I'll see it cuz it's more Star Wars" mentality.
- This movie has shown a blatant disregard for fan interest through Phasma, bringing back a character everyone was excited for and let down by in TFA, building up
hope that she'd be turned into something with her return her and getting a cinematic "made you look" by making her even less interesting than the first film and
definitively killing her off. Boba Fett and Darth Maul are probably the most popular characters ever that weren't planned to be and at least their poor fates were
due to lack of anticipation of fan reaction, not intentionally poor.

 

[Neal136]

I saw jumanji 2 and it was a packed theater, got pretty full.
That movie was hilarious.

I checked the theater for the last jedi screening after jumanji ended and there was like 3 people........

I did not expect jumanji to be so full or last jedi so empty.

And yet I saw The Last Jedi again last night and the theater was sold out. Your mileage may vary.

 

[klwn]

And yet I saw The Last Jedi again last night and the theater was sold out. Your mileage may vary.

Nice, I'm sure all those people are now excited to find out what's gonna happen in the amazing love face-off between Finn, Rose, Rey and Poe.

Star Wars.

 

[Neal136]

Nice, I'm sure all those people are now excited to find out what's gonna happen in the amazing love face-off between Finn, Rose, Rey and Poe.

Star Wars.

I would hope not. I only brought it up earlier when I mentioned that Poe actually was a decent male character given his growth by the end of the film. The fact that they're pairing him off with Rey only adds to that because there's no way Kennedy would let her Golden Child hook up with a man (gasp!) that wasn't completely deserving.

EDIT - or, maybe by Episode IX he'll become a raging alcoholic and start abusing Rey ... only for her to fight back and prove how worthless of a man he truly is. We'll see.

 

[jye4ever]

CNN is reporting that the word Agenda died early this morning of exhaustion.

Oh such Sweet news Junkion you bring to my Woefully tired ears.

 

[aa909]

don't forget Yoda and Obi Wan went into seclusion and shut themselves off from the galaxy after RotS. its the Jedi thing to do. And they did it for a longer period of time.

so luke going into seclusion after he was defeated and broken made a lot more sense to me. the two jedi who trained him did the exact same thing.

when Yoda and Ben went into seclusion the Jedi were being actively hunted by the Empire. Luke went into seclusion because he "felt bad".