Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[RIDDICK]

No one has pointed out the real demented **** of Chewie sitting there eating a Porg in front of the Porgs. Imagine the agony that little critter went through as Chewis snapped its neck and tore off its feathers then skewered its carcass over a flame.....all while those innocent little darlings watched on in agony as their family/friend was murdered

We eat animals, animals eat animals... That's life in a nutshell. No one (other than animal rights activists and vegans) would feel anything during that stupid scene if porgs weren't portrayed as sentient to the point of lookin' reasonable.

 

[RIDDICK]

I think you guys are wasting your time tryin' to point out obvious problems this cinematic travesty has.
Those who liked it won't listen, at least not now. Those who didn't like it already said their word.
Let these seagulls have their fun time in peace. Be better than that.

 

[aa909]

Just read a blog post one of you linked: https://bittergertrude.com/2017/12/20/this-is-not-going-to-go-the-way-you-think-the-last-jedi-is-subversive-af-and-i-am-here-for-it/

The author of the post, "Melissa" interpreted The Last Jedi accurately. She writes,

"The Last Jedi has a clear message: The nearly all-white, overwhemingly male, privilege-based way of thinking that celebrates war culture and toxic masculinity and that created the First Order has to go, both in the larger world and as it’s internalized in our hearts and minds, and in its place will be something entirely new, created by diverse young people who are walking away from war culture, walking away from toxic masculinity, walking away from systems of privilege. What new society will they create? We don’t know. But we do know that old ways of thinking have failed us in every possible way. The wisest of the older generation, like Luke, have known this for a long time. The selfish, small-minded, hateful, and power-hungry in the older generation will continue to hunt and seduce the next generation, but the light still stands. No matter how much power they accrue, no matter how many angry young white men they convince we are the enemy, the light still stands. The future is brown, and female, and brilliant, and fierce, does not give even one single **** about the way things used to be."

This is exactly what I saw in the subtext of The Last Jedi. It's moronic, but the author's interpretation is accurate.

LOL! It’s ironic that defenders pounce on those who criticize the ridiculous SJW agenda in the movie and say “there’s no agenda, you’re just seeing things”, but then we have a SJW blogging about the agenda in raw detail and the room goes quiet.

Bottom line is if you wanna play up the SJ bias in a SW movie, rule #1: actually make a good SW movie and 99% of us will be happy.

 

[Spazz]

Yeah crows, it's okay to be white. It's also "okay" to use logic and reason. Being intolerant of dumb ideas is the way we learn. That's "the old way of thinking". If people on the left subscribe to "the new way" of thinking, they will consistently be dominated by those influenced by the Enlightenment, because knowledge is power. You can't have knowledge, without logic and reason. Those who have it, will always have the bigger guns, the greater technological innovation, and as a result, the most power.

Self-pity and victimhood won't get you very far, when you're at the mercy of those who are smarter than you. That's life. So if they want to abandon "the old way of thinking"... they can have at it. They'll be too weak to do anything to me, so I'll be fine. It's not about your race, but how you think.

 

[jye4ever]

LOL! It’s ironic that defenders pounce on those who criticize the ridiculous SJW agenda in the movie and say “there’s no agenda, you’re just seeing things”, but then we have a SJW blogging about the agenda in raw detail and the room goes quiet.

Bottom line is if you wanna play up the SJ bias in a SW movie, rule #1: actually make a good SW movie and 99% of us will be happy.

Very well said.

 

[crows]

Yeah crows, it's okay to be white. It's also "okay" to use logic and reason. Being intolerant of dumb ideas is the way we learn. That's "the old way of thinking". If people on the left subscribe to "the new way" of thinking, they will consistently be dominated by those influenced by the Enlightenment, because knowledge is power. You can't have knowledge, without logic and reason. Those who have it, will always have the bigger guns, the greater technological innovation, and as a result, the most power.

Self-pity and victimhood won't get you very far, when you're at the mercy of those who are smarter than you. That's life. So if they want to abandon "the old way of thinking"... they can have at it. They'll be too weak to do anything to me, so I'll be fine. It's not about your race, but how you think.

how many times are you gonna edit your post??

 

[crows]

 

[jye4ever]

What’s your thoughts on “the agenda?” They’ve targeted the loyal fan base of almost 40 yrs. Will it survive picking on them?

Part of me thinks there’s a civil war going on in Disney amongst Iger/Kennedy/Shareholders (Lucas being a major one).

Some who would love to jettison what they view as the toxic component of SW fandom with the least amount of impact to their bottom line obviously which they probably know would be a very difficult thing to pull off and those who want money coming in doesn’t matter from who.

What they consider to be toxic and how to go about doing it would make for a great discussion but that’s my feeling

 

[Wor-Gar]

.Anakin and Luke have loving family members who care for them, and still have personal issues that impact their path to being Jedi. Rey should have clear dysfunctional aspects, even if she hides them publicly, and the fact she does not is why she is a wish-fulfillment character rather than a properly realized one.

Absolutely true. Rey's got no flaws at all. She's like the perfect being; all self-taught. Right. You know what a nut case she'd be if she was raised as a slave alone for years... I mean, look what a nut case Luke became just retiring to an island for a few years.

Rey has zero character. She's a cute actress dressed in a safe and wholesome hero cliché.

 

[Spazz]

how many times are you gonna edit your post??

I was worried it'd be taken out of context. I get paranoid when talking about race, because people on the left dissect every syllable. I'm not shy about giving my opinion, but I try to cover my ass. You're right though. I'm a ridiculous person.

 

[Wor-Gar]

piggy backing onto Wor-Gar’s belief that long term irreparable damage has been done by TLJ regardless of it being a box office success

Nope. I said if Disney continues with this. Meaning, another film like this one and then, yes, damage control will have many years to replace the blind trust and necessary justification that fans are willing to do to "fix" their beloved Star Wars for themselves.

Example: I don't see every MCU -- because they are generally mediocre. I passed on Dr Strange, Spiderman, and many others. Many people did. I would not have passed on them 5 years ago. This is what I'm saying could happen with Star Wars, where its so predictable and generally mediocre that its OK to miss a few here and there. Disney doesn't want that. Star Wars is no where near as large a universe as the MCU.

 

[crows]

I was worried it'd be taken out of context. I get paranoid when talking about race, because people on the left dissect every syllable. I'm not shy about giving my opinion, but I try to cover my ass. You're right though. I'm a ridiculous person.

it was just that every time i reload the page your post changed

 

[klwn]

I was worried it'd be taken out of context. I get paranoid when talking about race, because people on the left dissect every syllable. I'm not shy about giving my opinion, but I try to cover my ass. You're right though. I'm a ridiculous person.

I lean left and I get paranoid talking about this stuff
My views are infintely more aligned with yours and others here than the awful SJW/sexist/racist ******** that's on those blogs, but talking about it and pointing it out can easily get you classified as a monster, no matter who you vote for or what your convictions are. Then you have to defend yourself instead of arguing about the point which is... the movie.

 

[aa909]

Nope. I said if Disney continues with this. Meaning, another film like this one and then, yes, damage control will have many years to replace the blind trust and necessary justification that fans are willing to do to "fix" their beloved Star Wars for themselves.

I don't see every MCU -- because they are generally mediocre. I passed on Dr Strange, Spiderman, and many others. Many people did. I would not have passed on them 5 years ago. This is what I'm saying could happen with Star Wars, where its so predictable and generally mediocre that its OK to miss a few here and there. Disney doesn't want that. Star Wars is no where as large as the MCU.

Well said. Look at the damage Schumacher did to the Batman franchise with 2 crap films. It took >10 years to recover and as a HUGE Batman fan I refused to see the last installment by Schumacher (still haven’t watched it) and didn’t see Batman Begins until it hit DVD. Now SW is even more beloved than Batman so it may take 3 movies instead of 2 to sink the franchise before heads role at Disney and we get a reboot with Nolan at the helm

 

[Lakhota]

I cried myself to sleep last night with these burning questions in my soul Ruin Johnson!

1. Who are the Knight of Ren
2. Who Is Snoke
3. Is Finn Force Sensitive
4. Where did Maz get the saber
5. Why did the Saber speak to Rey
6.Who is Rey
7. Who made the First Order
8.Is Vader speaking to Kylo

 

[jye4ever]

Absolutely true. Rey's got no flaws at all. She's like the perfect being; all self-taught. Right. You know what a nut case she'd be if she was raised as a slave alone for years... I mean, Luke what a nut case Luke became just retiring to an island for a few years.

Rey has zero character. She's a cute actress dressed in a safe and wholesome hero cliché.

I agree that Disney just wants to sell a princess but you are greatly mistaken if you think everyone with a bad life is a nut case just because they don’t have the luxaries of modern life found in first world countries.

I’ve met many men and women living in the worst conditions possible with more happiness and mental fortitude and stability than some of the wealthiest families i’ve interacted with.

The suicide % were much higher in wealthy neighborhoods here in the states than the slums I worked at.

I handled more alcoholism, heroin and prescription pill overdoses at wealthy homes then I did in the slums.

Sure there are rich and poor nut cases everywhere but i’ve seen first hand the resiliency and soul building strength that also comes from being born in a hard life.

Believe it or not Wor but there are real life Rey’s out there.

Go look up the suicide % in super modern first world Japan or in some of those beautiful and exclusive northern european countries.

 

[klwn]

I cried myself to sleep last night with these burning questions in my soul Ruin Johnson!

1. Who are the Knight of Ren
2. Who Is Snoke
3. Is Finn Force Sensitive
4. Where did Maz get the saber
5. Why did the Saber speak to Rey
6.Who is Rey
7. Who made the First Order
8.Is Vader speaking to Kylo

 

[crows]

Well said. Look at the damage Schumacher did to the Batman franchise with 2 crap films. It took >10 years to recover and as a HUGE Batman fan I refused to see the last installment by Schumacher (still haven’t watched it) and didn’t see Batman Begins until it hit DVD. Now SW is even more beloved than Batman so it may take 3 movies instead of 2 to sink the franchise before heads role at Disney and we get a reboot with Nolan at the helm

if we are talking money and box office then those Joel Schumacher movies were very sucessful

Budget $100 million

Box office $336.5 million

Budget $125 million

Box office $238.2 million]


these two were not flops by any means, Batman Forever was actually very profitable. Every person going "THE LAST JEDI IS MAKING A BILLION!!!!" to defend it is missing the point......
it is not about the money alone.... a lot of people went to see Batman Forever and Batman and robin in theaters... they made money....

spiderman had the same situation:

Budget $258 million
Box office $890.9 million

by all means Spiderman 3 was a giant success and it should have gotten a sequel right? i mean, if the only thing that matters is box office like the Last Jedi apologists say, then Spiderman 3 was an amazing movie that did extremely well and would have gotten a fourth sequel for sure....

right?


right?....

 

[crows]

I lean left and I get paranoid talking about this stuff
My views are infintely more aligned with yours and others here than the awful SJW/sexist/racist ******** that's on those blogs, but talking about it and pointing it out can easily get you classified as a monster, no matter who you vote for or what your convictions are. Then you have to defend yourself instead of arguing about the point which is... the movie.

I just realized you are in France you could get arrested for talking about some of this stuff

 

[Wor-Gar]

I agree that Disney just wants to sell a princess but you are greatly mistaken if you think everyone with a bad life is a nut case just because they don’t have the luxaries of modern life found in first world countries.

I’ve met many men and women living in the worst conditions possible with more happiness and mental fortitude and stability than some of the wealthiest families i’ve interacted with.

The suicide % were much higher in wealthy neighborhoods here in the states than the slums I worked at.

I handled more alcoholism, heroin and prescription pill overdoses at wealthy homes then I did in the slums.

Sure there are rich and poor nut cases everywhere but i’ve seen first hand the resiliency and soul building strength that also comes from being born in a hard life.

Believe it or not Wor but there are real life Rey’s out there.

Go look up the suicide % in super modern first world Japan or in some of those beautiful and exclusive northern european countries.

That's likely true of course. But it would be nice to make Rey a little more interesting was the point. Then again, this is a fantasy for children so the idea of making a complicated adult character is probably just desires from me getting older.