Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[DiFabio]

I Never thought that Star Killer was fully populated like the Death Star Was.. I figured it had a base on it and that was all.. Most of it was just a planet.

Having said that.. I do forget that it is just a few hours later and the FO sure seems to be in great shape

Hnnnnnngggggg

 

[Wor-Gar]

DiFabs, that's like one Stardestroyer worth of troops really.

I have to admit, I felt that base was just that -- a remore base/weapon with a lot of troops but not the entire FO.


My bigger problem is: who the hell are the FO, who got them started, and where is their funding coming from? I don't care about literal accounting, but are they in charge of the government like the Empire was?

How do they make such wonderful toys?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Regardless what you think of Luke’s Handling fail or succeed least it wasn’t the same....

It kind of was, he died/vanished as a distraction while the next gen watched him, just like Ben did in ANH, minus the projection, matrix move, and CGI AT-AT.

 

[klwn]

What would be the equivalent of the RO scene with Luke look like, keeping in mind that the future of the brand is Rey and Kylo?

I have said this before (posted an entire synopsis actually haha), but imo Luke should have boarded Snoke's ship to rescue Rey.
Then you get to see the both of them fight side by side (incredible) vs the guards + Kylo and eventually Kylo + Snoke.
Rey is in trouble, Luke fends them off to save her, Force pushes her into the elevator, is overwhelmed and dies at the hands of Kylo, warning him like he did on Crait.
Snoke is exhausted from the fight, Kylo seizes the opportunity, kills him. End result: exactly the same as in the movie, but you gave Snoke and Luke the type of screen use they should have been getting in this movie.

Vader scene was great but fan service... that’s what the franchise has done for 40 yrs. Give me the same stuff over and over that’s made the franchise stale because it’s expected, comfortable...that is settling.

Regardless what you think of Luke’s Handling fail or succeed least it wasn’t the same....

There is bad and good fan service. It's not a dirty term.
The Vader scene was great fan service like you said. It made sense connecting to ANH, and allowed the fans to see the suit version of Vader (not the ROTS version) finally fight without the limitations of 70's/80's film making.

 

[DiFabio]

DiFabs, that's like one Stardestroyer worth of troops really.

Yeah, but in TLJ they lost a bunch of those too!

At what point is your enemy considered defeated in this new Star Wars universe? What even constitutes as a victory? The rebels literally only have enough people to fit in the Millenium Falcon and yet they still act like they're going strong.

Both sides should be in complete shambles, but they're not.

In ROTJ it was clear, Palpatine was aboard the second Death Star. You take him and the Death Star out, you win. The look of relief on Ackbar's face when Vader's executor plunges into the Death Star said it all.

The FO and Resistance have suffered devastating losses now in two movies. Where do you go from here.

 

[aa909]

What would be the equivalent of the RO scene with Luke look like, keeping in mind that the future of the brand is Rey and Kylo?

IMO when he walked out on the salt field facing the AT-ATs, he should've brought down a couple of them using the force. That would've been epic!

 

[klwn]

IMO when he walked out on the salt field facing the AT-ATs, he should've brought down a couple of them using the force. That would've been epic!

Yes that was the other option, he should have been there on Crait. The problem is, facing Kylo alone wasn't enough of a challenge for him imo, he would have destroyed Kylo. That's why I think the Luke vs Kylo + Snoke scenario makes more sense for him to actually be killed (and would have been insane visually).

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I have said this before (posted an entire synopsis actually haha), but imo Luke should have boarded Snoke's ship to rescue Rey.
Then you get to see the both of them fight side by side (incredible) vs the guards + Kylo and eventually Kylo + Snoke.
Rey is in trouble, Luke fends them off to save her, Force pushes her into the elevator, is overwhelmed and dies at the hands of Kylo, warning him like he did on Crait.
Snoke is exhausted from the fight, Kylo seizes the opportunity, kills him. End result: exactly the same as in the movie, but you gave Snoke and Luke the type of screen use they should have been getting in this movie.

I like it, but I could see people complaining that Luke was killed Kylo.

IMO when he walked out on the salt field facing the AT-ATs, he should've brought down a couple of them using the force. That would've been epic!

So he doesn't die?

 

[crows]

I was going to say, I wouldn't be surprised if Jumanji holds its 30+% into a 3rd weekend. Looks like I will have to go see this one after all (wanted to anyway for Amy Pond).

Jumanji might be the greatest video game movie ever made that happens to not be made from an actual video game.

They were able to make fun of video game tropes and at the same time respect them as well. Watching jumanji reminded me a lot of those arcade games where you would drive a car and shoot at things in the jungle. Ironically enough this felt like the best uncharted movie that was never made.
And this has been one of the best comedies of the year too. The humor was really strong and the cast had really great strong chemistry as well. You could tell they probably had a lot of fun behind the scenes as well.
This might be one of the most times that jack black has made me laugh this much.

I honestly legitimately think that i like this movie more than the original jumanji. The original has its charms and very strong nostalgia feels but this movie was just a lot more fun.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'm glad, I always thought Jumanji 2 looked like a good idea for a funny adventure.

 

[Darkseed]

It kind of was, he died/vanished as a distraction while the next gen watched him, just like Ben did in ANH, minus the projection, matrix move, and CGI AT-AT.

I can agree since they’ve established in prior films the Jedi / ghost angle. One could say a gentle nod to the old way..so while I can say yup he died and turned into Casper as expected the Casper aspect on Krate was not expected...

All the speculation up to the film was a big showdown that never happened so that departure was “unexpected”

 

[klwn]

I like it, but I could see people complaining that Luke was killed Kylo.

I can see that too, but you could show it as him dying due to the combined efforts of Snoke's ridiculous Force powers, and Kylo's aggressiveness. Something like that. To soften the blow a bit.

You could even have Kylo's eyes turn yellow for a second, to really put emphasis on where he is at.

 

[aa909]

Yes that was the other option, he should have been there on Crait. The problem is, facing Kylo alone wasn't enough of a challenge for him imo, he would have destroyed Kylo. That's why I think the Luke vs Kylo + Snoke scenario makes more sense for him to actually be killed (and would have been insane visually).

I think the story line in TLJ sucked, RJ should've introduced the Knights of Ren, and shown how Kylo and the KOR undermine and kill Snoke to take over the FO.
Then the ending scene could've been Luke taking down the AT-ATs using the force, followed by Luke and Rey fighting Kylo and the KOR. Luke could've been killed, and Rey badly injured but escapes, setting up Episode 9 for Rey to avenge Luke and take down or turn Kylo.

 

[crows]

 

[TaliBane]

Has anyone explained why Luke has the Just-for-Men/Chuck Norris dyed beard/hair when he's in hologram mode?

It was so weird when he first appears on Crate because in every TLJ promo shot (and throughout his Ach-oo scenes) he has a visibly greyed beard, so I noticed the black beard immediately. And you instantly think - he took the time to dye his beard to go into battle?

Is there some thematic connection between dyeing... and dying? Judging also by Holdo, does the resistance/rebellion have some kind of tradition of dying hair just before self sacrifice?

 

[klwn]

I think the story line in TLJ sucked, RJ should've introduced the Knights of Ren, and shown how Kylo and the KOR undermine and kill Snoke to take over the FO.
Then the ending scene could've been Luke taking down the AT-ATs using the force, followed by Luke and Rey fighting Kylo and the KOR. Luke could've been killed, and Rey badly injured but escapes, setting up Episode 9 for Rey to avenge Luke and take down or turn Kylo.

Oh yeah forgot about those guys for a minute, they would have been a great tool to make something like that happen.
Crazy how Ruin just dismissed them completely, when they were one of the biggest talking points pre and post-TFA

Btw I just saw that yesterday but there is actually a non-canon Sith called Darth Ruin

 

[klwn]

Has anyone explained why Luke has the Just-for-Men/Chuck Norris dyed beard/hair when he's in hologram mode?

It was so weird when he first appears on Crate because in every TLJ promo shot (and throughout his Ach-oo scenes) he has a visibly greyed beard, so I noticed the black beard immediately. And you instantly think - he took the time to dye his beard to go into battle?

Is there some thematic connection between dyeing... and dying? Judging also by Holdo, does the resistance/rebellion have some kind of tradition of dying hair just before self sacrifice?

It's because he wanted to appear as Kylo remembered him, which makes him not having the green ROTJ lightsaber make even less sense.

 

[xipotec]

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Shirley, you don’t believe all those guys died on the base like Moe Larry and Curly bumping into each other running in circles?

They show them fleeing .....

Even if only half got away , that’s a lot of troops, and I am pretty sure Snoke was with a fleet of his own.

And yes , I called your Shirley....


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[crows]

The last jedi reminds me a lot to the matrix reloaded, a lot.
With their messages of failure and killing yourself to save the day

The way rose saved finn reminded me of neo saving trinity.

The way their hideout was destroyed reminded me a lot of how at the end neo morpheus and trinity had to run away and be rescued by another ship...

The casino scenes were as pointless and they even looked the same as the merovingian scenes. Same outcome.

2 hours of big special effects and action to end up no dofferent than where they were at the beginning.

Rey being a mary sue the same way neo was.

Neo going to see the oracle and being disappointed the way rey was with luke.

The themes and structure of both movies is very similar
A lot of colorful noise
Paper thin story
Ending in failure and despair.

 

[DiFabio]

Shirley, you don’t believe all those guys died on the base like Moe Larry and Curly bumping into each other running in circles?

They show them fleeing .....

Even if only half got away , that’s a lot of troops, and I am pretty sure Snoke was with a fleet of his own.

And yes , I called your Shirley....


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Of course they got away. That was a problem I had with TFA's ending. As soon as the Starkiller is hit and ready to explode, there's an instant evacuation with enough time for Hux to somehow find a ****ed up Kylo and even have Phasma, live to fight another day (until she gets blown up again a couple days later).

It's just like the damage Kylo receives from Rey in TFA. That's a nasty split in his face at the end of TFA, he look completely deformed. What happens in TLJ? The damage is minimal and the scars have changed position. That's my point essentially, no matter what the threat or new Super weapon is, it has no consequence to the next story. It's the same played out scenarios that we keep seeing from movie to movie.

We're at a point now where you can fire your proton torpedoes directly at a cabin window and blow General Organa and her crew into space, and she can just survive it and fly back to safety.

What is the end game for Episode 9? If I'm the First Order, what can I do at this point to defeat the Resistance? If I'm the Resistance, what can I do at this point to defeat the First Order? This game has already been played out 30 years ago with the Empire and Rebels. Killing Vader and the Empreor didn't work, some dude in a golden bathrobe randomly appeared to cause trouble again.

It's like all the Terminator movies. All of them are just a tennis match between the Resistance and Skynet that apes the events of T1 and T2. No matter how hard the opposing force is hit, they just bounce back.


This "galactic conflict" feels small and boring. As far as the timeline in the story goes, in a couple of days the First Order and Resistance have wiped each other other out. Rey beat Luke to being a Jedi by a whole film with no development and we've only known her for 2 years. Kylo didn't even finish his training with Snoke, he's dead. 2/3 movies in this trilogy and it already feels like it's exhausted and close to being over.