Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Khev]

Bring something to chew on during those Casino Planet scenes.

Well it'll be nice to have a go to bathroom break I guess, lol.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

How is the rebellion reborn anyway? They've been wiped the **** out! They can fit on the Millenium Falcon! No one responded to the distress call they sent out from Krayt (or whatever that planet was called) so there clearly wasn't much in the way of allies. So, what, an anecdotal tale that Luke Skywalker got off his ass at last and distracted the First Order for a little bit to allow the pitiful little band to escape again is going to rally everyone back to the rebel cause? (obviously it will but I don't know why it would, and then once they find out that Luke is now dead as opposed to merely disappeared then surely they're right back to wondering whats the point)

Well, the thing is...look...what you don't get is that..um...you see it's .....hey look at that!!!

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"See you around kid"

 

[xipotec]

You can't possibly consider a 33% drop from a prior picture that made over $2 billion to be remotely comparable to the embarrassment of JL struggling to outperform a tear jerker about a little kid with a deformed face...

Lol.....

To be fair, Superman’s face was kinda deformed also.....


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[DiFabio]

 

[Wor-Gar]

Nolan's prophecy holds true once again: you either die a hero... or live long enough to become the villain

 

[xipotec]

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So did Cavill die and Fisher played Superman? Or the other way around?

Are they the same person!!!!
Omg....the Illuminati revealed..

Fisher had a better hair line.
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[DiFabio]

So did Cavill die and Fisher played Superman? Or the other way around?

Are they the same person!!!!
Omg....the Illuminati revealed..

Fisher had a better hair line.

How is the rebellion reborn anyway? They've been wiped the **** out! They can fit on the Millenium Falcon! No one responded to the distress call they sent out from Krayt (or whatever that planet was called) so there clearly wasn't much in the way of allies. So, what, an anecdotal tale that Luke Skywalker got off his ass at last and distracted the First Order for a little bit to allow the pitiful little band to escape again is going to rally everyone back to the rebel cause? (obviously it will but I don't know why it would, and then once they find out that Luke is now dead as opposed to merely disappeared then surely they're right back to wondering whats the point)

By Episode 9, the rebels will somehow have magically bolstered their ranks. Look at Holdo. She was nowhere to be seen during TFA and the beginning of TLJ and just shows up out of nowhere. Not even Poe, a long standing resistance pilot, knew who she was. After Ackbar died, she immediately popped up to take his place.

It's the same deal with the First Order. Their massive Starkiller Base was taken out with god knows how many troops and transportation. They lost that huge dreadnaught ship. Holdo hyperdrived the First Order's whole fleet and their Supreme Leader and all of his best men were killed. Phasma is gone (again). Hux doesn't seem too optimistic about the FO with their Supreme Leader gone (to the point where he was going to shoot an unconscious Kylo Ren). Kylo and Hux won't make it through 9 without killing each other.


Repeat after me a-dev.

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Just like the very creation of the First Order and Resistance bothers you, so to will their continued existence and eventual end. It's a **** show with both sides being poorly conceived and thoughtout. To make matters worse, now Kylo and Rey can easily see where the other person is located, making the entire "war" a complete farce.

 

[JAWS]

I'm curious as well. It's all about the Luke and Snoke scenes for me so I can't help but wonder if the rest of the movie will feel greatly lacking on the second viewing or if I'll consider the whole thing to be acceptably endearing, warts and all.

I think that after you see the real film (the one with no contact between Kylo and Luke, and meaningless island scenes) you will still like it because you will come up with a whole knew exciting storyline for this film

 

[Wor-Gar]

I want muh sta werz!

 

[DiFabio]

I want muh sta werz!

Mmmm stah wurz, me like stah wurz. Me go see see 8 times.

Spoiler

 

[crows]

And it's a narrative that is easily proven as false. You do NOT make over a billion dollars *in two weeks* by pissing off a majority or even half of your fans. Those screaming in rage over the fact that the film treated Luke like a real character and not a plastic action figure obviously aren't in alignment with reality. Reality says that critics loved this movie (it scored 98% with "Top Critics", and a quick scan of their reviews shows they're all legit 3/4, 4/4, 4/5, or 5/5 scores) and audiences are eating it up week after week despite actual competition.

This isn't another "JL gets embarrassed by sleeper Wonder" situation. Jumanji 2 is a bona fide mini-blockbuster of its own and TLJ is still kicking it's ass.

The butt-hurt crusade ends in defeat. The SW brand isn't damaged, Luke went out like a boss, and every single one of you will be lined up on opening day for Episode IX. Now I just need to find time to go out and watch this awesome flick a second time, lol.

Over time this movie will be known as being worse than the prequels including phantom menace.
It will happen. The movie made its billion and everything, sure, but the reputation it will have will be as the worst stsr wars movie of all time.
Thats rian Johnson's legacy. Having created the worst movie in the entire franchise.
It willl happen. Rose toys will end up in bargain bins just like jar jar did.
The money part is only relevant of how this movie will affect other future movies.
Most people feel tired now, like watching these is like a chore

 

[klwn]

Mmmm stah wurz, me like stah wurz. Me go see see 8 times.

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Wtf

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Nolan's prophecy holds true once again: you either die a hero... or live long enough to become the villain

Unless you retire and pass the torch to the next generation, but only after you save the city, give your home to kids, get the girl, fix the autopilot and fulfil your butler's dream....did I mention fixing the autopilot? That's how you do it.

 

[JAWS]

It's the same character.





By Episode 9, the rebels will somehow have magically bolstered their ranks. Look at Holdo. She was nowhere to be seen during TFA and the beginning of TLJ and just shows up out of nowhere. Not even Poe, a long standing resistance pilot, knew who she was. After Ackbar died, she immediately popped up to take his place.

It's the same deal with the First Order. Their massive Starkiller Base was taken out with god knows how many troops and transportation. They lost that huge dreadnaught ship. Holdo hyperdrived the First Order's whole fleet and their Supreme Leader and all of their best guards were killed. Phasma is gone (again).


Repeat after me a-dev.

NO STAKES
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S
T
A
K
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Just like the very creation of the First Order and Resistance bothers you, so to will their continued existence and eventual end. It's a **** show with both sides being poorly conceived and thoughtout. To make matters worse, now Kylo and Rey can easily see where the other person is located, making the entire "war" a complete farce.

Meh.. Blowing up Star Killer and all that never bothered me as in the OT the Empire took its licking but kept on Ticking.

There are things about this film that people get upset about that I don't get..

A lack of Snoke Origin.. Hell if it was not for the PT we knew nothing of the Emperor
Phasma - Why do we need more of her and not every other side character in the SW Universe.

I do agree that some of the issue comes from not giving a small back story to how the events finally came to be after the rebellion won the first time.. But that is not a make or break issue for me..

For me it is all about the lack of good story telling.. These films have not captured my imagination at all. I would think its because I am getting old but RO reminds me that I can still have fun in this universe and feel like a kid.

TLJ had that moment for a little bit with me with the death of Snoke and the team up of Rey and Kylo but that was it. I thought Snoke's death was a great surprise for me that was the only "gotcha" moment that had a payoff and went anywhere and moved the story forward.

 

[Wor-Gar]

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Where did that style drawing originate anyway? What's the history of this Devil666 thing?

 

[TaliBane]

Daisy put her entry in early.

Wow - Daisy is REALLY nude in that scene. Kind of shocking really.

Hyperspace tracking was actually referenced in R1 when Jyn and Cassian were looking for the Death Star specs....not “really” new.

"actually referenced"? That sounds so... random, unplanned... serendipitous.

I can see the February 2016 phone call now - "Hi, Gareth - Disney story group here - we need a retcon favor to cover a little something Rian wants to do. Got a pen ready...?"

Disney is not crying over the loss of aged disgruntled cynical fans who cling to OT like it’s mana from heaven....

They are too busy counting the money and projecting profits from the new fans.....

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Thank goodness the "diehard" SW fanbase wasn't historically majority female (or non-white) - because wow, the stuff that's been said against them - over and over - in the past two weeks just so reads like leering, toxic ageism and at times sexism and even racism (mocking mentions of "older male" and "white, ponytailed...") And if they were female, there would be outrage at what's been written.

Star Wars fans - somehow - got rolled into the "toxic masculinity" and "privilege" discussions.

Absolutely, not contesting any of that. Long-range death is generally anti-climactic. In theory, it makes sense as a Jedi trick. In practice, it undermines the drama as its based on a 'lie' to the audience. It's also about as exciting as watching someone else play a video game. It's also based on a trick never shown before in a 60 year timeline, so the reveal has no satisfaction or merit based on previous clues. You know, like when you figure out a mystery and can see the strings going back to set-up the answer. Here, it's just -- Luke did a fake-out astral projection but has exhausted himself. Oh really? We learn the rules after the fact? Well thought-out.

Since he's going to commit suicide anyway, he should have killed himself first and shown up as a Force Ghost. That's established. He could have fought with lightning.

Had "force hologram" powers been hinted at previously, or set up as some kind of legendary "ultimate" Jedi power that few could do and it wold kill even the most powerful Jedi, it might have worked. As it was, it leaves you thinking how cowardly Luke was for doing it, and why on earth - for example - Yoda wouldn't have done it when Luke goes to Bespin.

It also undermines the whole idea of characters like Yoda and Ben being "in hiding" - couldn't they have constantly toured around the galaxy for brief trips "virtually" with little risk? Makes the life of Jedi seclusion so much less - secluded.

You got to admit, for Jumanji, that's a huge uptick... and coming anywhere near Star Wars is amazing in 2nd week (not a dig at Star Wars but being impressed by Jumanji).

Lost in all of this:

1. that TLJ made LESS THAN HALF of TFA's new years' day take (35m vs 15.7m) and its day/day % uptick was less than a third of TFA on that day (50% vs 15%)
2. that starting Jan 2nd, TLJ's grosses will fall off a cliff, so the pace of earning will drop by about 3/4's from now on
3. that the true test of TLJ's appeal to core fans isn't the Christmas-NYE BO period - it's whether the huge repeat business happens throughout January. TFA made more than $250m of its gross (between a quarter and a third of its total gross) AFTER new years day.

Sad. I obviously think RO is the better movie. Wish it held its own a little better.

RO had:

- all-new character (with NO OT or ST characters as leads) set that all die
- only vague/tangential link to the mainline SW story (force, Skywalker saga)

TLJ had:

- a continuation of the mainline SW story
- Luke Skywalker

To try to compare them in BO terms is almost impossible. RO getting to a billion is a WAY bigger achievement than TLJ making it to $1B, which given market/brand context was a foregone conclusion even if it had been utterly rejected and critically scorned.

 

[Prime Clone]

I'm curious as well. It's all about the Luke and Snoke scenes for me so I can't help but wonder if the rest of the movie will feel greatly lacking on the second viewing or if I'll consider the whole thing to be acceptably endearing, warts and all.

Yes, the Snoke and Luke scenes saved it for me. I'm yet to have my second viewing but I fear it will not be kind to Casino Blight etc (misspelling intentional).

Over time this movie will be known as being worse than the prequels including phantom menace.
It will happen. The movie made its billion and everything, sure, but the reputation it will have will be as the worst stsr wars movie of all time.

Quite possibly, TPM was second only to Titanic at the time. JW is in the top 5 and people think it sucked.

 

[JAWS]

Over time this movie will be known as being worse than the prequels including phantom menace.
It will happen. The movie made its billion and everything, sure, but the reputation it will have will be as the worst stsr wars movie of all time.
Thats rian Johnson's legacy. Having created the worst movie in the entire franchise.
It willl happen. Rose toys will end up in bargain bins just like jar jar did.
The money part is only relevant of how this movie will affect other future movies.
Most people feel tired now, like watching these is like a chore

I tend to think that way also.. But I thought people would wise up to how bad Avatar is... But that is getting 10 sequels

 

[klwn]

A lack of Snoke Origin.. Hell if it was not for the PT we knew nothing of the Emperor
Phasma - Why do we need more of her and not every other side character in the SW Universe.

Sure, but then use the screen time for other great stuff. Instead we got Canto Bight, space cow milking, Rose, etc...

I think that's really what pisses people off. A 150min movie and yet Rian Johnson didn't bother with 'some' fan service that was really expected and would have been much appreciated.
I mean if you are going to have three ****ing flashbacks in your movie, how about you dedicate one to Snoke by having Luke explain his origins to Rey? That would take one minute.

And if Kennedy is all about strong females, then what's the deal with ridiculing Phasma like that? Two movies in a row they used the character poorly. Two in a row. That's crazy, after all the Phasma marketing and Gwen being all giggly about her role.

 

[JAWS]

I'm curious as well. It's all about the Luke and Snoke scenes for me so I can't help but wonder if the rest of the movie will feel greatly lacking on the second viewing or if I'll consider the whole thing to be acceptably endearing, warts and all.

You have TFA ranked higher the ROTJ... I predict you will still like this film just fine.