Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Matt S]

For those that saw this and hated it, did anyone actually go see it a 2nd time? Any change?

I enjoyed it, but can understand why it pissed off a lot of fans. Not a fan of Kathleen Kennedy and her overall direction, myself.

This brand needs their 'Kevin Feige' as it were. She's not it.

 

[Rudimus]

The lesson is “don’t worry about what you can’t control”, none of us control where Star Wars is headed. So you either accept it or move on. But the haters of TLJ can’t let go & want all that enjoyed it to feel like idiots. I’ve been through this before with the PT, people hated them too. Like Dr. Steve Brule says “who cares?”

 

[TaliBane]

My point stands. I don’t really know what this trite has to do with it. No one was personally attacked. Although, I’ve seen a few subliminal instances of it going on in this thread.

Stating that a portion of the movie going crowd has a low IQ is the equivalent of saying the world is full of idiots. Nothing more. If someone takes offense, I guess that’s their problem. I think that says more about them than it does those that are defending the film.

No, no - serious, you got nothing to worry about and I should be apologizing to you.

You can say whatever you want and about whoever you want because you liked TLJ. It's the whiny little b*tches on the internet who didn't like it that need to be careful about what they post.

Yeah but the implication was that the portion that liked it has the low IQ wasn’t it?


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Nope. DarthB's implication was the other way around.

 

[crows]

For those that saw this and hated it, did anyone actually go see it a 2nd time? Any change?

I enjoyed it, but can understand why it pissed off a lot of fans. Not a fan of Kathleen Kennedy and her overall direction, myself.

This brand needs their 'Kevin Feige' as it were. She's not it.

it gets a lot more boring the second time

 

[Matt S]

The lesson is “don’t worry about what you can’t control”, none of us control where Star Wars is headed. So you either accept it or move on. But the haters of TLJ can’t let go & want all that enjoyed it to feel like idiots. I’ve been through this before with the PT, people hated them too. Like Dr. Steve Brule says “who cares?”

I don't recall this level of negativity even during Episode One. I consider that movie pretty bad. But, yeah, the level of anger toward this one caught me off guard. But, its just a damn movie. Star Wars will survive this movie.

it gets a lot more boring the second time

Yeah, agreed with this too. Saw it a 2nd time, and still liked it, but twice is enough. As time has passed, I really wished we had gotten a proper "luke skywalker' movie. I like/appreciate the story arch the director tried to give him, but I would have gone in a very different direction


Bummed we still have no updated biker scout or at-at drivers. And phasma = what a waste of a talented actress.

Character of Rose is ok, but mostly forgettable and the 'love' storyline felt really forced

 

[TaliBane]

Go cry

Less words

 

[Matt S]

TaliBane - love your sig. THat pic of Mark Hamill never ceases to crack me up. I swear if I see him at a con, gonna have him sign that pic

 

[DarthBakura]

Yeah but the implication was that the portion that liked it has the low IQ wasn’t it?


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I was more speaking out about the horrid masses that I’ve seen online who can’t even compose a proper sentence, much less critique something in a thoughtful manner. It just so happens that most of what I’ve been seeing is from the whiny crowd, obviously.

 

[aa909]

Box Office: 'Jumanji'
Overtakes 'Star Wars: The
Last Jedi' on New Year's Day

Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-jumanji-overtakes-star-wars-last-jedi-new-years-day-1070976

Sony's holiday hit Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle
overtook Star Wars: The Last Jedi for the first time on
New Year's Day, earning $16.2 million in North America.

That compares to $14.5 million for Disney and
Lucasfilm's The Last Jedi.

At the same time, Last Jedi beat Jumanji for the weekend with an estimated $67 million, pushing the
tentpole's global total to $1.067 billion, including $531.9 million domestically.

Jumanji, performing far better than expected since hitting theaters Dec. 20, has grossed $185.6 million
to date in North America for a worldwide cume approaching $350 million. Its domestic earnings
for the four-day holiday weekend were $66.3 million.

if this follows the weekly erosion of TFA in weeks 4-8 then we should see:
Week 4: $30M
Week 5: $21M
Week 6: $11M
Week 7: $8M
Week 8: $6M

total domestic wk 4-8: $76M x2 (for global) = $152M incremental by March for about $1.22 Billion global. Probably finishes around $1.3B, thats about a 40% drop off from TFA. Keep in mind the opening weekend was only ~8% below TFA, so the anticipation was extremely high and early analyst projections were for $1.7-$1.8 Billion. Still very profitable but far below expectations from a business perspective.


EDIT: Bottom line is Disney left about $400M on the table from early projections. And the full financial impact won't be known until after Solo and Episode 9 finish their runs. If we see similar short falls, the total financial impact to Disney (vs potential revenues) could be >$1 Billion. But Ron Howard and JJ will fix all this

 

[crows]

I was more speaking out about the horrid masses that I’ve seen online who can’t even compose a proper sentence, much less critique something in a thoughtful manner. It just so happens that most of what I’ve been seeing is from the whiny crowd, obviously.

selective hearing


you are doing it

( a little bit of confirmation bias too )

 

[Wor-Gar]

I think you'll see an exponential curve -- an even more significant drop-off. Lack of repeat viewers.

Families finally have something more positive to see: Jumanji. Word is spreading.

 

[Khev]

Next spin-off officially announced:

The Disaster Artist 2: A Rian Johnson Story

 

[Wor-Gar]

Oh hi Mark.

 

[Khev]

Oh hi Mark.

"What's her name? Daisy? Yeah, we don't see each other anymore. You know, she wasn't any good in TFA. She was beautiful, but we ... I know she doesn't like me because sometimes she's mean to me, but sometimes when I'm around her, I feel like I want to kiss her and tell her I love her."

 

[klwn]

if this follows the weekly erosion of TFA in weeks 4-8 then we should see:
Week 4: $30M
Week 5: $21M
Week 6: $11M
Week 7: $8M
Week 8: $6M

total domestic wk 4-8: $76M x2 (for global) = $152M incremental by March for about $1.22 Billion global. Probably finishes around $1.3B, thats about a 40% drop off from TFA. Keep in mind the opening weekend was only ~8% below TFA, so the anticipation was extremely high and early analyst projections were for $1.7-$.18 Billion. Still very profitable but far below expectations from a business perspective.


EDIT: Bottom line is Disney left about $400M on the table from early projections. And the full financial impact won't be known until after Solo and Episode 9 finish their runs. If we see similar short falls, the total financial impact to Disney (vs projected revenues) could be >$1 Billion. But Ron Howard and JJ will fix all this

I wouldn't be surprised if IX opens lower than TLJ. TLJ's opening numbers were crazy high due to the anticipation, all the mysteries from TFA and the eagerness to see Luke in action (gotcha!) or even actually have conversations.
Not only are there very few mysteries left (unless they build up new ones in the trailers, good luck with that), but combined with the disgust of a lot fans... That's going to affect IX for its opening. Not saying it can't make more than TLJ in the long run though, if JJ pulls it off and it's truly amazing, no reason it can't reach $1.8B.

 

[Spazz]

I don't recall this level of negativity even during Episode One. I consider that movie pretty bad. But, yeah, the level of anger toward this one caught me off guard. But, its just a damn movie. Star Wars will survive this movie.

The level of negativity isn't just because the movie was horrible. The anger surrounds why and how the movie was horrible. The anger also surrounds the disparity between the professional critics, and viewers. People are beginning to realize that our culture still has gatekeepers, despite the internet. We've been led to believe that the internet is the great equalizer, when in reality we rely on gatekeepers to navigate an endless sea of information.

When the gatekeepers are buying cultural iconography, mishandling it, when professional critics praise it anyway and ideologues spread propaganda to slander anyone who hated what the gatekeepers have handed you... the problem is more than a single movie. The problem is that our culture is being centralized in a way that was unexpected. The movie becomes a talking point for systemic problems.

 

[xipotec]

People have argued that the film is filled with internal contradictions, plot holes and a moronic subtext involving a dogmatic and absurd ideology. All of these things are empirical facts, not matters of subjective taste.

Having just watched the OT over this week...I can tell you there are a ton of similar issues in those films.....plot holes? Only about a bazillion.....but it was seen though children’s eyes so we overlooked it....after 40 years those holes were filled in and expanded. And many were outright forgiven due to effect it had on us as children.

Don’t even get me started on PT.

A film is art, art is subjective...and lends itself to interpretation. There for us IS subjective. You speak from an angle I understand...that everything must be logical and orderly ....and have full explanations that are satisfying to your sensibilities.

Dogmatic and absurd ideology? According to what scale? And what moral center? Yours?

Contradictions and moronic subtext? Again , contradictions do not make something bad....and your “moronic subtext” is again a judgement you made, while others did not.

All your posts say the same thing essentially....you didn’t like it so there is no logical way anyone else could....and here is my proof.

Your method could be applied to the Cubs.
And any food
or book...

It does not change the fact that people will derive what they will from it, explain or live with any perceived issues that satisfy them and their entertainment needs.






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[DarthBakura]

selective hearing


you are doing it

( a little bit of confirmation bias too )

Unless you are inside my head, in which case I’m sure you’d rather not be, then don’t pretend you are.

 

[TaliBane]

Oh hi Mark.

"There's this guy Luke, true American hero, he has it all - good look, many friend - also maybe Luke is Vampire with dyed beard who can project himself all over galaxy."

 

[Adolfo]

Marvel and now Star Wars movies are being made for mainstream audiences, not the true fans who’ve sustained them over the years.

The problem with mainstream audiences is they’re fickle and their tastes change.






I will admit the idea of doing new movies probably got a lot more appealing once Lucas no longer had to hand over 95% of toy revenue.

Star Wars is for dummies now, lol